Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 7: How Can My Smash Brother Be This Cut

But I want to see
Fiora in Mechon armor
. Shulk is too uncool for that.

Do want for that
Face Nemesis
Final Smash.
Gun/Cannon/Shield/Sword Drones
would make pretty awesome specials, too.

But we'll get Shulk and live with it. I doubt I'll play him often (I don't really like playing the existing sword users), but the Xenoblade stage will see a crapton of play for dat music.

Speed please. Would also be right up Sakurai's alley I guess.

To be honest, I don't really like that armour set. It's too... uhh... yeah (
though I understand it has precedent from Xenosaga
). The basic armour is best (and the one that'll appear in the
assist
trophy...).
 
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Sweet stuff, Chaosbreaker. It's amazing how nice some of the characters look compared to Brawl.

Sometimes there's a virus added on as well
I wonder how Ridley will appear in Metroid 5.

I'm almost hoping they don't explain it.
Why revive her if we could not fight Mother Brain in Other M? :(
Because Other M was cinematic and cinematic games have other people fight bosses and beat final levels for you.
 
Yeah, and?


You mean when he was playing dead?

Unless you actually believe Ridley got knocked out, woke up a few seconds later when Samus's back was conveniently turned so he could sneak attack her, and then flew away without trouble.


That wasn't the ghosts; read the scan data on Chozo statues.

After poor Ridley was reduced to clutching his chest and screaming in agony, those lasers knocked him off a cliff so he fell to the bottom of the crater and exploded. God, would have been nice if he had wings or something to avoid that.

Then the ghosts let Samus into the crater to kill the real final boss.
The statues defeated Ridley. Samus wounded him and then they shot him with their lasers.

She didn't defeat him by that poster's standards. The lasers did.

Hell, if you're going to keep pointing out that she burned his wings which allowed the lasers to get him, then what about Samus weakening him enough in Other M so that the Metroid Queen could suck him dry? Why does that not count?

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Look how fucked up he was. He barely got away from Samus and couldn't get away from the Queen.

Why is getting help only a weakness in Other M? She definitely would have died in Prime 3 if Rhundus hadn't saved her from plummeting to the center of Norion.
 
On a mechanic level, any worthwhile team runs Shulk because he has OP main character abilities. By seeing the future, the screen slows down and goes grayscale and plays out what the enemy is going to do, before it returns you back to the battle and lets you decide how to react and several of Xenoblade's monster's attacks are color coded as a "heavily recommended" to use Monado Shield, Monado Speed, etc. against certain attacks. Notable ones are:

1) Monado Speed: Buffing an ally's speed to evade an attack
2) Monado Shield: Temporarily negating damage from enemy special attacks
3) Monado Purge: Removing enemy buffs
4) Monado Enchant: Enchanting everyone's weapons to deal damage to invincible machine enemies
(also that absurdly strong ability that temporarily reduces all damage by 80-90%)

And various other unremarkable, well-rounded abilities (healing, Xenoblade's Daze/Topple abilities, etc.)

Thaks for doing my job for me :P
 
Wolf needs an identity, Not remain a Fox that gained 50 lbs.

Wolf's fighting style is entirely different from Fox's. In the A-moveset, he shares 0 moves with Fox, or at most 2 if you count a kick as the same (e.g. Fox's USmash and Wolf's USmash are kicks, but Fox does a backflip, while Wolf kicks straight upwards). Wolf mostly uses his claws in the A moveset, with only a handful of kicks thrown in, while Fox has 1 single move in which he uses his hands.
The specials are significantly different as well in how they work.

The only thing they share that's virtually identical is the final smash.

If you play Wolf like you play Fox, you're gonna be sucking ass.
 
So just give him new specials?

Wolf's fighting style is entirely different from Fox's. In the A-moveset, he shares 0 moves with Fox, or at most 2 if you count a kick as the same (e.g. Fox's USmash and Wolf's USmash are kicks, but Fox does a backflip, while Wolf kicks straight upwards). Wolf mostly uses his claws in the A moveset, with only a handful of kicks thrown in, while Fox has 1 single move in which he uses his hands.
The specials are significantly different as well in how they work.

The only thing they share that's virtually identical is the final smash.

If you play Wolf like you play Fox, you're gonna be sucking ass.

Pretty much, Yeah looks like I'm referring to the specials. I want to see more ideas flow there, I really don't like the copypasta job with different properties.

I can see Wolf really coming into his own and being even more varied than his original inclusion this time around. I see him actually being very dangerous potentially. But he just needs more originality in the special department. I liked his A movesets, that was fine. Claws doing heavy smash damage was a great touch.


Falco on the other hand.... homeboy needs big work done....
 
Pretty much, Yeah looks like I'm referring to the specials. I want to see more ideas flow there, I really don't like the copypasta job with different properties.

I can see Wolf really coming into his own and being even more varied than his original inclusion this time around. I see him actually being very dangerous potentially. But he just needs more originality in the special department. I liked his A movesets, that was fine. Claws doing heavy smash damage was a great touch.


Falco on the other hand.... homeboy needs big work done....

The only special I of Wolf's that I'd be happy to see go is his crappy blaster. His b-side and b-up are pretty fun to use, and the shine's kinda nice.
 
The only special I of Wolf's that I'd be happy to see go is his crappy blaster. His b-side and b-up are pretty fun to use, and the shine's kinda nice.

Personally, I think his blaster is the most interesting out of his specials, because it's a pewpew gun, but so different from the lasers of Fox and Falco. Especially the fact you can hit them with the knife on the gun up close too.
 
Maybe Shulk will replace Ike's playstyle should Ike get cut. He can mimic that combination of mobility and strength.

I think I can see this happening.

I want his Final Smash to be Monado Buster. The Monado extends to be half the width of the screen, and Shulk just casually swats everyone away.

It'll probably end up being his neutral special, being chargeable like Ike's. His FS will probably be the above, but with
the 'true' Monado
.

Neutral special: Monado Buster
Side special: Monado Purge
Up special: Monado Cyclone
Down special: Monado Shield

Pretty simple Monado-based moveset. Maybe some of those could be replaced by Back Slash or some of Shulk's other non-Monado arts.
 
Personally, I think his blaster is the most interesting out of his specials, because it's a pewpew gun, but so different from the lasers of Fox and Falco. Especially the fact you can hit them with the knife on the gun up close too.

Eh. Connecting the end of Wolf's side-b to meteor smash an opponent is probably the single most satisfying move in the entirely of Brawl, imo.
 
I think I can see this happening.

I want his Final Smash to be Monado Buster. The Monado extends to be half the width of the screen, and Shulk just casually swats everyone away.

It'll probably end up being his neutral special, being chargeable like Ike's. His FS will probably be the above, but with
the 'true' Monado
.

Neutral special: Monado Buster
Side special: Monado Purge
Up special: Monado Cyclone
Down special: Monado Shield

Pretty simple Monado-based moveset. Maybe some of those could be replaced by Back Slash or some of Shulk's other non-Monado arts.

The Final Smash could have Shulk
Change into Zanza a la Wario's FS
 
The only special I of Wolf's that I'd be happy to see go is his crappy blaster. His b-side and b-up are pretty fun to use, and the shine's kinda nice.

Its so blah to me. Do we really need 3 characters with Side B Dash, Down B Reflectors, Up B Rising Charges and Regular B Blasters? Even with different properties, it feels uninspired... On top of that, you gave all them the damn landmaster! Why didn't Falco have an arwing? Smh


Since there happen to be 18 nice slots left the way its formatted, Let me fill them. *ahem*

1. C Falcon
2. Ness
3. Jiggs
4. Mewtwo
5. Wario
6. Ice Climbers
7. G&W
8. Meta Knight
9. Ganondorf
10. Falco
11. Mii
12. Pac-Man
13. Palutena
14. Chrom
15. Lucas
16. Wolf
17. Ike
18.
Snake (Kept ya waiting huh?)

18 slots left? Most realistic ^^ I don't want Lucas back though.
 
Random thought: what do we think is the chance that Sakurai will add something representing a non-video game aspect of Nintendo's history?

Ultrahand as an item, hanafuda card as a trophy, Captain N as playable for example. I'm not sure how much more from those 3 are appropriate enough, but I think it'd be interesting to see.
 
The statues defeated Ridley. Samus wounded him and then they shot him with their lasers.

She didn't defeat him by that poster's standards. The lasers did.
Sure.

Then she went on to destroy the Worm and free the Chozo spirits. Samus saves the day ultimately and nobody cares that she had help.

Hell, if you're going to keep pointing out that she burned his wings which allowed the lasers to get him, then what about Samus weakening him enough in Other M so that the Metroid Queen could suck him dry? Why does that not count?
You're actually right here because Ridley was fucked up after the fight, although I doubt Ridley could beat the queen either way.

Why is getting help only a weakness in Other M? She definitely would have died in Prime 3 if Rhundus hadn't saved her from plummeting to the center of Norion.
Yes. Nobody is complaining about Samus getting help. She's gotten help since Metroid 2.

The reason people complain about Samus not killing Ridley in Other M is that she doesn't really ever accomplish anything meaningful in Other M, other people do stuff instead. Adam sacrifices himself because he wants Samus to kill the dragon. I was salty because Adam basically walked off with the last level, but I liked that he at least had trust in me to do one simple thing. And yet Samus doesn't kill Ridley, some random Metroid does. So basically, the player gets cheated out of a bossfight, Adam's sacrifice was pointless, Samus doesn't get to redeem herself and I feel pissed at the game.

Bad writing and bad game design.
 
Maybe Shulk will replace Ike's playstyle should Ike get cut. He can mimic that combination of mobility and strength.

Shulk isn't really a heavy hitter. By his moveset in Xenoblade, he is more of a rogue when he is not using the Monado's full power. He uses a lot of stealth and attacks from behind his opponent.

If Ike really was going to be cut, a better replacement would be Isaac from Golden Sun. He is more of hard-hitting swordsman than a lot of others. He is a solid tank to match his natural Earth element. Most of Ike's basic A attacks would suit him. You would have to change the special moves to be psynergy spells and Djinn stuff, though.
 
Also, why have I seen so much "Ike's getting cut" today as opposed to other days? Why can't he just be confirmed already?
;_;
 
.....what?
Shulk isn't anything like Ike in playstyle, no thanks

Shulk? like Ike? there's no fucking way.

Personally I'd like to see Shulk playing host to something like a slower-than-usual, more deliberate play style with powerful but situational moves that boast awkward hitboxes dependent on clever positioning. Less broad strokes like Ike's moves and more precise strikes with added effects
 
Maybe Shulk will replace Ike's playstyle should Ike get cut. He can mimic that combination of mobility and strength.

Man, I'll say it again, they are not cutting a character only to clone the gameplay onto someone else. Complete waste of time.
 
Man, I'll say it again, they are not cutting a character only to clone the gameplay onto someone else. Complete waste of time.

The only one I can see them do it with that would seem likely is Snake. Would be a waste of a unique moveset if they can't get the rights back.
That said, somebody inheriting Ike's moveset doesn't seem all THAT weird to me either.
 
The only one I can see them do it with that would seem likely is Snake. Would be a waste of a unique moveset if they can't get the rights back.
That said, somebody inheriting Ike's moveset doesn't seem all THAT weird to me either.

I'm telling you, if it's not Chrom inheriting that moveset it's Ganondorf :P
 
Its so blah to me. Do we really need 3 characters with Side B Dash, Down B Reflectors, Up B Rising Charges and Regular B Blasters? Even with different properties, it feels uninspired... On top of that, you gave all them the damn landmaster! Why didn't Falco have an arwing? Smh

This is going to get parroted to the end of time/Nintendo isn't it?

18 slots left? Most realistic ^^ I don't want Lucas back though.

Hater of all things good in the world confirmed.

NO

THESE TWO SWORDS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME DESPITE REQUIRING A DIFFERENT NUMBER OF HANDS HAVING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WEIGHT DISTRIBUTION AND ONLY ONE OF THEM BEING ABLE TO CAST MAGIC

ALL SWORDS ARE THE SAME AND ARE MADE EXACTLY THE SAME WAY

ANY BLACKSMITH WHO TELLS YOU OTHERWISE IS A LIAR AND A DUMBASS

LOL I love this post so much. It's also touches on one of the biggest pet peeves I have with the general fan dom when discussing a character's play style should they possess a blade of any kind. The usual response is that "we have too many sword people" and I'm just left flabbergasted considering we haven't touched on a WIDE array of sword styles or bladed weapon types yet. That and there's only six sword users (five and Ike the club user) active out of 39 as per Brawl.
 
NO

THESE TWO SWORDS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME DESPITE REQUIRING A DIFFERENT NUMBER OF HANDS HAVING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WEIGHT DISTRIBUTION AND ONLY ONE OF THEM BEING ABLE TO CAST MAGIC

ALL SWORDS ARE THE SAME AND ARE MADE EXACTLY THE SAME WAY

ANY BLACKSMITH WHO TELLS YOU OTHERWISE IS A LIAR AND A DUMBASS

Well to be fair, one of Ragnell's defining features is that it can shoot energy beams at distant targets as easily as it can stab things. It also increases the defense of its wielder.

On the other hand, it never once lights up with red flames in the games it came from.
It once lit up with blue flames, but that was under special circumstances.
Also, the handedness of Ragnell is a matter of question. given that Ike wields every sword one-handed, even his giant blade Ettard (which is even bigger than the large Blade-type weapons) and the Horseslayer.

So Brawl really didn't reflect Ragnell's special qualities accurately at all. But both Ragnell and the Monado do shoot blasts of energy, so the comparison isn't that bad.

What is the weight distribution of the Monado anyways? How much do energy blades weigh? Not that the metal base looks light...
 
I just hope I can finally meet this "Great Ethan" Ike keeps talking about. He seems like a swell guy.

He started coaching for the protag of Heartgold/Soulsilver and he's swole now.

Well to be fair, one of Ragnell's defining features is that it can shoot energy beams at distant targets as easily as it can stab things. It also increases the defense of its wielder.

On the other hand, it never once lights up with red flames in the games it came from.
It once lit up with blue flames, but that was under special circumstances.
Also, the handedness of Ragnell is a matter of question. given that Ike wields every sword one-handed, even his giant blade Ettard (which is even bigger than the large Blade-type weapons) and the Horseslayer.

So Brawl really didn't reflect Ragnell's special qualities accurately at all. But both Ragnell and the Monado do shoot blasts of energy, so the comparison isn't that bad.

What is the weight distribution of the Monado anyways? How much do energy blades weigh? Not that the metal base looks light...

Ah. That puts quite a bit more context now.

The Monado seems like it'd be pretty bottom heavy with that loop of metal towards the hilt. The Ragnell looks more like it would have a long, even weight distribution.
 
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