Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 7: How Can My Smash Brother Be This Cut

Eh, a large portion of the fanbase doesn't give a shit what we get. Hell, many of the fans are tripping off of veterans coming back. "Where's Ike?" "Where's Mewtwo?". They're in fucking Melee and Brawl. That's where they are.

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It was too perfect, I'm sorry :)
A guest newcomer talking shit about the veterans XD
 
Time and time again, yet again, Nintendo yet again time and time again fucks up again!

3DS version NOT optimized for tourney players. Why? Different controllers - yeah, someone playing on 3DS XL not only has a more comfy controller on hands, but also a larger screen - making it easier to see and defeat your opponent. 2DS should be banned because it makes the player look too cool and is therefore distracting.

How will Nintendo fix this? Well, they can't. They're doomed.

However, not including Ice Climbers up to this point is probably most likely literally the smartest move they've ever made, aside from releasing the e-Reader and Game Boy Micro.
 
Time and time again, yet again, Nintendo yet again time and time again fucks up again!

3DS version NOT optimized for tourney players. Why? Different controllers - yeah, someone playing on 3DS XL not only has a more comfy controller on hands, but also a larger screen - making it easier to see and defeat your opponent. 2DS should be banned because it makes the player look too cool and is therefore distracting.

How will Nintendo fix this? Well, they can't. They're doomed.

However, not including Ice Climbers up to this point is probably most likely literally the smartest move they've ever made, aside from releasing the e-Reader and Game Boy Micro.

Darn it Nintendo. You shot yourselves in the foot.
 
That's so not tits, man. My tits just receded into my chest and popped out my back. That's how non-tits that is.

That suggests that the tits are still there, just......

protruding from your back
WTF

Can we stop. Anyways, what version of Mega Mewtwo would be in if Mewtwo is in? I'm going to say Y, because it was the first revealed, seems to be more popular, and we have Charizard X for X version
 
As someone who is firmly in the middle, I can say you haven't been listening to the other side if that's how you characterize them.

Here are the facts:

- A shadow that resembles Ridley was shown during the stage hazards segment
- The shadow resembles Other M Ridley
- There are multiple Ridleys in Metroid canon, varying wildly in appearance (see Other M Ridley)
- With past characters -- Waluigi, Ashley, etc -- Sakurai explicitly established what they were and how they're not playable

Those are the facts. And they don't logically preclude either outcome.

Except that isn't true, in the slightest. I'm sure I could dig up other examples, but I'm a tad pressed for time.

More like, both sides use logic, but one side discredits the other side saying they're delusionals and refusing to acknowledge any prospected possibility.

Please tell me how 2 determinations of Ridley as a stage boss compares to people's interpretations of another individual's intentions. Or do you have something more finite to bring to the table?

LOL. I have nothing to share since both of sides already posted what I would feel about Ridley and the fact that I'm truly tired of Ridley topic and I wish Sakurai would tell us right now so it can be over and deal with it.

This topic has now crossed 2 console generations, it will literally never die... but I'll be damned if I'm not trying to kill it dead!

People aren't being "over-emotional" by pointing out how the manner in which Ridley was shown leaves plenty of room for a number of possibilities to play out.

How is that exactly? And I'd suggest relying on the facts and not interpretation of Sakurai's motives.

Jesus you people. It's just a purple dragon.

More of a space pterodactyl, really.

I understand the reasoning, but I guarantee even if Sakurai flat out stated Ridley will be a stage boss, there will still be people digging further and further to try and justify him still somehow being playable. It's delusional mental gymnastics. Maybe I'm being overly critical but damn if people don't set themselves up for disappointment willingly. It isn't hype at this point, it's almost obsession.

Basically. My whole reason to quash the discussion is so we don't have to spend a 2nd (maybe 3rd?) Smash release listening to people bemoan how Ridley isn't in it when the only hope of it happening was purely manufactured fandom.

I want Mewtwo and Takamaru in, but I don't drone about it incessantly, nor tell people they're wrong for thinking to the contrary and providing a reasoned factual discourse for why when they can't offer the same, which is how I got so involved in this whole debate in the first place.

Most of us have said we don't necessarily think he will be playable, just that it is possible. My rage came from people spouting the same shit over and over acting like it has been 100% confirmed that he won't be playable.

Do I want Ridley playable? Yes. Do I expect Ridley to be playable? No. Will I care if Ridley is not playable? No.

So you're playing devil's advocate for an idea you don't believe in? That typically hurts discussion more than it helps it. It's almost as bad as the "too big" meme for that.

I have determined that Ridley will appear in no less than 5 different forms. We'll have stage hazard ridley, stage ridley, playable ridley, assist trophy ridley, and boss ridley (who is different than stage hazard ridley because you can fight this one)

ultimate Sakurai troll 3 ridley's in the game, one is stage hazard, second is boss, 3rd is assist trophy


.......................... no words.

They have similar names, so I always assumed they were siblings. It seems unlikely for them to have such similar names and be married.

Lala and Lolo aren't siblings. Your argument is invalid.

Basically what I'm getting from this is that the Japanese smash bros community isn't really that different from ours except that they don't give a shit about RIdley

I'm sure they drone on about a completely different character entirely.
 
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I'm still a huge fan of your work with Wright in UMvC3, Lythero, but still.

I think you're confusing me with someone else, but I'm flattered anyways.

That's so not tits, man. My tits just receded into my chest and popped out my back. That's how non-tits that is.

Don't get me wrong. I have no problem with Mewtwo, but a lot of people talk about Mewtwo as if he's confirmed. I would like to taste the same salt dripping from the eyes of the same people who shed a tear when they realized what happened to Mewtwo during transition from Melee to Brawl.
 
That suggests that the tits are still there, just......

protruding from your back
WTF

Can we stop. Anyways, what version of Mega Mewtwo would be in if Mewtwo is in? I'm going to say Y, because it was the first revealed, seems to be more popular, and we have Charizard X for X version
I think Mewtwo Y is a better fit for the character. More focused on special attacks, like the normal version always was. X is interesting though, and could be appropriate in Smash Bros. too.
 
You linked to Xerneas, which does nothing to support your case.

The facts support both possibilities.
Except they really don't. Or can you point to anything where Sakurai EXPLICITLY hints that Ridley is not just a stage hazard without having to guess at Sakurai's motivations (Which can easily be seen as just trying to generate excitement)
 
Except they really don't. Or can you point to anything where Sakurai EXPLICITLY hints that Ridley is not just a stage hazard without having to guess at Sakurai's motivations (Which can easily be seen as just trying to generate excitement)
You don't see how you're making an assumption yourself, when Sakurai didn't explicitly confirm Ridley for a boss, either, let alone one of the specific Ridley characters, and in a game where repeat characters can swap out Alfonso-style? A game where Sakurai has made explicit distinctions when a character is not playable (I.E. Waluigi, Ashley, etc)? A game that recently received a Direct full of fake-outs (ZSS, Pseudo-Palutena, etc)?

If I had to bet, I'd say he's not playable. But I'm capable of seeing how it's certainly within the realm of possibility he could still be playable.
 
I think the reason Sakurai hasn't confirmed Ridley as a stage hazard yet is because he's afraid of all the hate mail/tweets he'll receive.
 
You don't see how you're making an assumption yourself, when Sakurai didn't explicitly confirm Ridley for a boss, either, let alone one of the specific Ridley characters, and in a game where repeat characters can swap out Alfonso-style? A game where Sakurai has made explicit distinctions when a character is not playable (I.E. Waluigi, Ashley, etc)? A game that recently received a Direct full of fake-outs (ZSS, Pseudo-Palutena, etc)?

If I had to bet, I'd say he's not playable. But I'm capable of seeing how it's certainly within the realm of possibility he could still be playable.
See but here's something else to consider: When has Sakurai ever done a fakeout without immediately revealing it's a troll right afterwards. All those examples you mentioned are things that got cleared up immediately, not left hanging for months

And swapping out Alfonso for conductor link who is more a background detail than anything is hardly comparable to switching out a stage hazard that plays an active role in the fight
 
See but here's something else to consider: When has Sakurai ever done a fakeout without immediately revealing it's a troll right afterwards. All those examples you mentioned are things that got cleared up immediately, not left hanging for months
And yet Sakurai didn't actually show Ridley.

And swapping out Alfonso for conductor link who is more a background detail than anything is hardly comparable to switching out a stage hazard that plays an active role in the fight
You wouldn't even need to swap them out. Other M Ridley not only looks different, he's a different specimen altogether.
 
It's a pretty popular, often-circulated theory that since Pyrosphere is an Other M stage, Other M Ridley is the stage hazard while OG Ridley is playable.

Not happening until SSB5

If Ridley is playable they're not going to just replace him with a different-looking Ridley. No matter which Ridley you're talking about he still looks like Ridley.

And yet Sakurai didn't actually show Ridley.


You wouldn't even need to swap them out. Other M Ridley not only looks different, he's a different specimen altogether.
Other M Ridley looks different but not enough. And his actions in Other M strongly imply that despite being a clone he's still the same Ridley inside.

Sakurai really needs to make a definitive statement. Things are getting ridleydiculous.
 
And yet Sakurai didn't actually show Ridley.


You wouldn't even need to swap them out. Other M Ridley not only looks different, he's a different specimen altogether.

Doing stuff like that is a pretty old trick for games like this that's pretty much always just meant to be a hype generator. Why would this be any different

And why on god's earth does anyone think Ridley is important enough that Sakurai would feel compelled to put two versions of him in the game? At least with Toon Link he represents another important branch of the Zelda series (and even then he still feels unnecessary).
 
I think the reason Sakurai hasn't confirmed Ridley as a stage hazard yet is because he's afraid of all the hate mail/tweets he'll receive.

Which is a more reasonable argument. At least its better than immediately jumping the gun and saying he was directly deconfirmed. Although I still have a gut feeling he will be playable.
 
Doing stuff like that is a pretty old trick for games like this that's pretty much always just meant to be a hype generator. Why would this be any different

And why on god's earth does anyone think Ridley is important enough that Sakurai would feel compelled to put two versions of him in the game? At least with Toon Link he represents another important branch of the Zelda series (and even then he still feels unnecessary).

Well brawl did have Regular and Meta ridley, melee's pikachu and pichu(lol)...Mario, Doctor mario.
 
Honestly I'm not even convinced Sakurai even really has a good understanding of the western fanbases desire for Ridley. He can't speak English, so it's likely any knowledge of western requests comes secondhand from god knows what source if any. And even if he did know, I don't think Sakurai really cares all that much about what characters the fans want as opposed to what characters he thinks will work well and deserve a spot
 
You don't see how you're making an assumption yourself, when Sakurai didn't explicitly confirm Ridley for a boss, either, let alone one of the specific Ridley characters, and in a game where repeat characters can swap out Alfonso-style? A game where Sakurai has made explicit distinctions when a character is not playable (I.E. Waluigi, Ashley, etc)? A game that recently received a Direct full of fake-outs (ZSS, Pseudo-Palutena, etc)?

Xerneas was shown in PotD in October, and the only thing posted about it is that "we have nothing to announce about Pokemon X and Y. Honest!"

That's CRYSTAL CLEAR. Except that it's not, and invalidates the "Waluigi/Ashley" commentary completely. He's never 100% clear all the time unless purposefully teasing a character inclusion as you've suggested. You're misrepresenting something as a fact.

If I had to bet, I'd say he's not playable. But I'm capable of seeing how it's certainly within the realm of possibility he could still be playable.

More devil's advocacy then. Does anyone who argues for the Ridley playable character possibility ACTUALLY think he'll be in, or just like to discuss it just for discussion's sake?

Christ, you people care way too much about proving a character can't be in.

As I stated before, this could have all been avoided if people, myself included, hadn't been told that we're objectively wrong for having a contrary opinion based on purely speculative reasoning that ignores presented factual information.

If you're going to fire the gun first, it's best not to miss.
 
Doing stuff like that is a pretty old trick for games like this that's pretty much always just meant to be a hype generator. Why would this be any different
Hype for the most requested character!

And why on god's earth does anyone think Ridley is important enough that Sakurai would feel compelled to put two versions of him in the game?
You mean like Brawl?

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Well brawl did have Regular and Meta ridley, melee's pikachu and pichu(lol)...Mario, Doctor mario.

When did Brawl have two versions of Ridley? Was one just a pallete swap alternate version of the same boss fight? Because that's not really the same as having two dramatically and incredibly noticably different versions of Ridley that fulfill entirely different roles.
 
When did Brawl have two versions of Ridley? Was one just a pallete swap alternate version of the same boss fight? Because that's not really the same as having two dramatically and incredibly noticably different versions of Ridley that fulfill entirely different roles.

Uhh no? What gave you that idea?
 
When did Brawl have two versions of Ridley? Was one just a pallete swap alternate version of the same boss fight? Because that's not really the same as having two dramatically and incredibly noticably different versions of Ridley that fulfill entirely different roles.
They were two completely different boss fights. You did play Brawl, right?
 
Xerneas was shown in PotD in October, and the only thing posted about it is that "we have nothing to announce about Pokemon X and Y. Honest!"

That's CRYSTAL CLEAR. Except that it's not, and invalidates the "Waluigi/Ashley" commentary completely. He's never 100% clear all the time unless purposefully teasing a character inclusion as you've suggested. You're misrepresenting something as a fact.
Xerneas was never asked by anyone anywhere to be a character in the game. He doesn't have anywhere near the level of expectation of the ATs, let alone Ridley. And the ATs were explicitly ruled out as playable upon being posted. 100% clear. Which is why, again, the ambiguity with Ridley raises the question of various possibilities.

More devil's advocacy then. Does anyone who argues for the Ridley playable character possibility ACTUALLY think he'll be in, or just like to discuss it just for discussion's sake?
I think if Sakurai wants to put in the effort to make Ridley playable, he will make him playable, and there's nothing to preclude that at this point. All up in the air. The safe bet is the boss route, but then again Sakurai likes to zig when we think he'll zag.
 
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