Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 7: How Can My Smash Brother Be This Cut

This is just as good as Facebook arguments

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This talk of connecting the two versions to unlock stuff makes me hope that if there are unlockable characters in this game like the rest of the Smash series I hope that you can connect the 3DS version to the Wii U version to automatically unlock all the characters so you don't have to unlock them all a second time.

That's a very good idea, actually. Though I might just want to unlock them again just for fun.
 
I understand the reasoning, but I guarantee even if Sakurai flat out stated Ridley will be a stage boss, there will still be people digging further and further to try and justify him still somehow being playable. It's delusional mental gymnastics. Maybe I'm being overly critical but damn if people don't set themselves up for disappointment willingly. It isn't hype at this point, it's almost obsession. We saw how carried away some users here get about the discussion.

Most of us have said we don't necessarily think he will be playable, just that it is possible. My rage came from people spouting the same shit over and over acting like it has been 100% confirmed that he won't be playable.

Do I want Ridley playable? Yes. Do I expect Ridley to be playable? No. Will I care if Ridley is not playable? No.

It is the people saying that he WON'T be that anger me. If you don't think he will be playable or don't want him to be playable that's fine, just say that. Don't go around saying it is impossible.
 
Come on, most of the games at EVO sold only like 1-2Mil copies. Smash4 should easily sell at the very least 2-3Mil copies (I assume the worst and put WiiU lifetime at 10Mil units here). It won't have any problems building up a competitive scene.
I guess.
the competitive community won't depend on overall sales
and thank goodness
I was more wondering about new blood. I'd be worried if the only people playing Smash 4 competitively were the Brawl or Melee players.
You picked a convenient time to be done arguing.
Why are you so eager to hear my viewpoint on whether a purple space dragon clone in a shitty game has the same memories as a black space dragon in a good game?

We had this argument about whether Ridley was targeting Samus at the Biosphere complex. I still think it's hard to say if he was. Even if he was, it could be because he still saw her as a potential source of food or because he saw her as a competitor for top predator.

Hell, I'll go further than that: it doesn't make any logical sense for Ridley to have his memories unless he was a complete dumbass, because only a complete dumbass or someon with a death wish would attack Samus before he's sprouted his wings even after she beat him multiple times at his full power. If your "Ridley has genetic memory theory" is true, Other M is canon evidence Ridley is the densest motherfucker in the galaxy. No wonder Science Team saw him as little more than an animal.

Now can we please talk about Smash Bros?
 
Quite a bit of vitriol going on here for some harmless roster speculation. Not that big of a deal if someone believes Ridley will be in the roster.
 
This is just as good as Facebook arguments

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pretty much lol

Come on, most of the games at EVO sold only like 1-2Mil copies. Smash4 should easily sell at the very least 2-3Mil copies (I assume the worst and put WiiU lifetime at 10Mil units here). It won't have any problems building up a competitive scene.

yeah, pretty much
also Wii U LTD will probably end at around 12-13 million
 
So if the Chorus men are playable, do you think they'll be default of unlockable? How do you think you'd unlock them?
Definitely unlockable, and I would guess it probably has something to do with music. Maybe you have to get a certain number of songs unlocked, or listen to a certain number of songs while playing?
Or add in a certain number of custom songs? Please let there be custom songs.

3/4 of them all I'd imagine.

Have we seen any Punch Out, or Animal Crossing ones?
Nothing from Punch-Out!!, but we've seen two Animal Crossing items: the Pitfall from Brawl and a new one, the Beehive.

I'm not sure what type of items Punch-Out!! could have. A chocolate bar?
 
Ya FSA Ganondorf is definitely the only "reincarnated" Ganondorf. The rest are all the same dude, occasionally killed and brought back to life or sealed and unsealed, as the case may be.

.. if anyone was still talking about that.
 
That would be disappointing, considering we still have months before the 3DS version even releases.

Also, the 3DS and Wii U versions might have different item rosters.

I still want to know what Sakurai means when he says that the 3DS and Wii U versions will have roughly the same Assist Trophies. Does he mean they will each have a few exclusives? The first thing I thought was that maybe the Wii U version will have all the Assist Trophies that the 3DS version has and more because it is coming out later.
 
Ridley the space dragon lived in a base
And fought a bounty hunter lass in outer space,
Poor little SmashGaf wanted to play as him,
But that mean ol' Sakurai threw those plans in the bin.
 
Definitely unlockable, and I would guess it probably has something to do with music. Maybe you have to get a certain number of songs unlocked, or listen to a certain number of songs while playing?
Or add in a certain number of custom songs? Please let there be custom songs.


Nothing from Punch-Out!!, but we've seen two Animal Crossing items: the Pitfall from Brawl and a new one, the Beehive.

I'm not sure what type of items Punch-Out!! could have. A chocolate bar?

Forgot about those items!
I hope Punch_Out!! has a bell you can throw at people.
Orrrrrrrrrrr as I said a long time ago A BIKE! Mostly because I'll get a kick from stealing it.
 
So, anyone think we've seen all the items already?

No, but probably pretty close.


Ideas (some taken from other gaf members) for 'connection' between Wii U and 3DS:

  1. Unlock Characters you already unlocked on 3DS on the Wii U (or vice versa)
  2. Unlock shared trophies (Trophies that exist on both Wii U and 3DS)
  3. Unlock new trophies (thank you for connecting, have a trophy!)
  4. Transfer or (hopefully) sync profiles (Names list, records, button mapping)
  5. Transfer/sync custom move sets for characters
  6. Transfer/sync online records
  7. Transfer/sync custom stages
  8. Unlock stages (boooo!!!!!!!!!! Hisssss!!!!!!!!!!!)
  9. Unlock characters (again, Boooooo!!!!!!!! Hisss!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
  10. Unlock character skins (not AS bad, as it's just cosmetic, but still booooooooo)

Another idea could be an entirely new game mode that has 3DS and Wii U play together. Would be similar to smash run in that it has a map/stage exclusive to this mode that isn't found in normal play. Maybe it has 2 different maps, where 3ds players work to achieve one goal while wii u players work to achieve another, then they are ranked accordingly, or maybe they meet together on a custom map/stage for this mode only, and duke it out. Just throwing ideas out there about how the Wii U and 3DS could interact without it actually being an actual smash fight while still being SOME sort of game mode.
 
I don't even want to know what the hell happened on the last page.

I still want to know what Sakurai means when he says that the 3DS and Wii U versions will have roughly the same Assist Trophies. Does he mean they will each have a few exclusives? The first thing I thought was that maybe the Wii U version will have all the Assist Trophies that the 3DS version has and more because it is coming out later.

Probably. I also think that they may not have the more technically demanding ATs in the 3DS version.
 
No, but probably pretty close.


Ideas (some taken from other gaf members) for 'connection' between Wii U and 3DS:

  1. Unlock Characters you already unlocked on 3DS on the Wii U (or vice versa)
  2. Unlock shared trophies (Trophies that exist on both Wii U and 3DS)
  3. Unlock new trophies (thank you for connecting, have a trophy!)
  4. Transfer or (hopefully) sync profiles (Names list, records, button mapping)
  5. Transfer/sync custom move sets for characters
  6. Transfer/sync online records
  7. Transfer/sync custom stages
  8. Unlock stages (boooo!!!!!!!!!! Hisssss!!!!!!!!!!!)
  9. Unlock characters (again, Boooooo!!!!!!!! Hisss!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
  10. Unlock character skins (not AS bad, as it's just cosmetic, but still booooooooo)

Another idea could be an entirely new game mode that has 3DS and Wii U play together. Would be similar to smash run in that it has a map/stage exclusive to this mode that isn't found in normal play. Maybe it has 2 different maps, where 3ds players work to achieve one goal while wii u players work to achieve another, then they are ranked accordingly, or maybe they meet together on a custom map/stage for this mode only, and duke it out. Just throwing ideas out there about how the Wii U and 3DS could interact without it actually being an actual smash fight while still being SOME sort of game mode.
I wonder, obviously we are all against characters being unlocked by having both versions, but would anyone be against the Wii U version launching with a few more characters and those being released as paid DLC(actual DLC, not on cart DLC) on 3DS unless you have your copies linked in which case you get to download them for free? It probably won't happen, but I think it's a cool idea.
 
I wonder, obviously we are all against characters being unlocked by having both versions, but would anyone be against the Wii U version launching with a few more characters and those being released as paid DLC(actual DLC, not on cart DLC) on 3DS unless you have your copies linked in which case you get to download them for free? It probably won't happen, but I think it's a cool idea.
I'd be completely okay with this. Bonus points if the 3DS DLC doesn't actually release publicly for a few weeks, so Wii U users get "early access" of a sort.

We should get Mac's trainers bike. Throw it around as a whole bike or hit it and bust it into smaller pieces that get thrown farther.
So a replacement for Wario's bike? I'd be all right with that, especially if it meant Wario getting his shoulder charge...
 
Quite a bit of vitriol going on here for some harmless roster speculation. Not that big of a deal if someone believes Ridley will be in the roster.

That's the point, but some guys are hellbent on marking others as delusionals.

So, anyone think we've seen all the items already?

At this point I think that Sakurai is committed to at least bring back every single item from Brawl, the only cut has been the flipper, because they're now in the Balloon Fight stage, and there are less than 10 old items expecting reconfirmation.

Definitely unlockable, and I would guess it probably has something to do with music. Maybe you have to get a certain number of songs unlocked, or listen to a certain number of songs while playing?
That's a really nice idea. I could see that happening.

Ridley the space dragon lived in a base
And fought a bounty hunter lass in outer space,
Poor little SmashGaf wanted to play as him,
But that mean ol' Sakurai threw those plans in the bin.

That's amazing.
 
I still want to know what Sakurai means when he says that the 3DS and Wii U versions will have roughly the same Assist Trophies. Does he mean they will each have a few exclusives? The first thing I thought was that maybe the Wii U version will have all the Assist Trophies that the 3DS version has and more because it is coming out later.
I hope they take advantage of the Wii U's greater power in SOME way besides graphics at least.
 
I'd be completely okay with this. Bonus points if the 3DS DLC doesn't actually release publicly for a few weeks, so Wii U users get "early access" of a sort.


So a replacement for Wario's bike? I'd be all right with that, especially if it meant Wario getting his shoulder charge...
Pretty much. Except someone doesn't need to be playing as Wario for it to show up. Plus besides the bike, a ring bell and some assist trophies of other fighters I can't think of anything else for Punch Out items.
 
Couldn't they just increase the range of his forward smash?
Wario's shoulder tackle isn't in the game unless it's a 1:1 transplant from the source material. It's only a coincidence that Wario's forward smash utilizes his shoulder.

I've actually heard somebody say that before.
 
Couldn't they just increase the range of his forward smash?
If they made the shoulder charge a special instead it could presumably do some fun Wario Land things like letting the player jump while doing it or cancel it by crouching. Or do it in the air, though I don't think you could do that in the Wario Land games.

Basically, I want it as a special because it is a LOT of fun as a special in Project M.
 
I'm trying to figure out what that big Ganon/Ridley argument is about, and why it is important. But I'm handling some time-sensitive stuff right now. Could someone give me the short version?
 
I really hope we get items from other Nintendo series besides Mario and Zelda. The latter two are waaayy over-represented in the item department.
 
I wonder, obviously we are all against characters being unlocked by having both versions, but would anyone be against the Wii U version launching with a few more characters and those being released as paid DLC(actual DLC, not on cart DLC) on 3DS unless you have your copies linked in which case you get to download them for free? It probably won't happen, but I think it's a cool idea.

that's better than the "free dlc for characters on 3DS when the wii u one comes out" since it gives no real incentive to buy the wii u version

but I feel whatever sakurai has planned to help sell the wii u version will probably be better than most of our ideas
 
it be pretty cool to get some pokemon like items in the new smash. Like life orb and choice lens. But what i really want is a few dijins from golden sun as items, Hydra represented, and replace parasol with mario series propeller hat
 
Most of us have said we don't necessarily think he will be playable, just that it is possible. My rage came from people spouting the same shit over and over acting like it has been 100% confirmed that he won't be playable.

Do I want Ridley playable? Yes. Do I expect Ridley to be playable? No. Will I care if Ridley is not playable? No.

It is the people saying that he WON'T be that anger me. If you don't think he will be playable or don't want him to be playable that's fine, just say that. Don't go around saying it is impossible.

I can concede on this matter, then. It's not possible to say, for certain, if he will or will not be playable. There's people on both sides of the coin though, and it angers me seeing those people get incredibly defensive over something that's iffy. I hope he's playable, but my expectations are quite low.

Apologies if I offended with my brashness.
 
it be pretty cool to get some pokemon like items in the new smash. Like life orb and choice lens. But what i really want is a few dijins from golden sun as items, Hydra represented, and replace parasol with mario series propeller hat

what
I want the Parasol back
 
I can concede on this matter, then. It's not possible to say, for certain, if he will or will not be playable. There's people on both sides of the coin though, and it angers me seeing those people get incredibly defensive over something that's iffy. I hope he's playable, but my expectations are quite low.

Apologies if I offended with my brashness.

That's fine, you don't even have to apologize. I only blocked the other guy because he directly insulted me when I was trying to keep civil despite the fact that he was aggravating me through the entire thing.
it be pretty cool to get some pokemon like items in the new smash. Like life orb and choice lens. But what i really want is a few dijins from golden sun as items, Hydra represented, and replace parasol with mario series propeller hat
Yesssss, I'd love some Pokemon items that aren't Pokeballs.
 
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