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[Uncle0wnage]

Shulk is wayyyyyy less popular than most of you think he is.

 

[KHlover]

Not a good comparison. The fundamental nature of poker is that it relies on luck and being able to hide when you're lucky.

The fundamental nature of competitive Smash is being able to read an opponent, quickly take advantage of a situation, and have the chops to execute what you want to execute quickly.

Congratulations, you just described Poker.

 

[SkullHydra]

shulk is the top 4 character demanded in japan and while the game is good shuly is not really all that popular here. plalutena is also wanted more in japan and think she popular here because everyone expected her because she is sakurai new baby, rhythem heaven aint that popular in america but it's big in japan.



oh no I would not if ridley and rool is in because then sakurai would have hit the top 2 characters in the west( rool argueably, ridley no contest). Even I have to admit ridley chances did a skydive as soon as the boss thing was shown and when sal leaked his second group of newcomers. I am not claiming sakurai does not love me personaly I actually could care less, it's that he does not care enough for the western side to do proper research. How does it make proper buisness since to leave out ridely when you can not even go one page in a smash thread without him popping up.

I'd like to see your research numbers that show Shulk and Rhythm Heaven are significantly more popular in Japan than America. Also, Palutena is very highly requested everywhere... not just because Sakurai made Kid Icarus either. And while I'd like to see K. Rool, there's no way he's one of the most desired characters here in the US.

If you're going to continue to make these same points over and over again, you're going to need some facts and evidence to back it up.

 

[Toxi]

Time battles are a fundamental part of Smash's mechanics. Why do tournaments switch to stock?

 

[SaintMadeOfPlaster]

Congratulations, you just described Poker.

Haha, it's reading in a very different sense. In Poker you're trying to see if the other players are full of shit or not.

In Smash, you're looking at what your opponent is doing and predicting what their next move will be. It's more about quick reflexes/noticing patterns than it is trying to decide how honest a players bet was.

I'm sure the argument can be made that it's the same thing, but that Smash's version of reading is just a much faster paced version of poker's, but don't try and act like there's a big difference between Poker and Smash. One obviously embraces luck, the other (when played competitively) gets messed up with too much luck involved.

I'd like to see your research numbers that show Shulk and Rhythm Heaven are significantly more popular in Japan than America. Also, Palutena is very highly requested everywhere... not just because Sakurai made Kid Icarus either. And while I'd like to see K. Rool, there's no way he's one of the most desired characters here in the US.

If you're going to continue to make these same points over and over again, you're going to need some facts and evidence to back it up.

He's also completely oblivious to the fact that Japanese forums are full of "Man, they're really catering this game to the overseas market, aren't they?" The real answer is that all of Nintendo's intensely popular characters already have a spot. Any other character they can add will only serve to satisfy one of their smaller, more niche markets. That's not a bad thing, but a thing nonetheless.

 

[Boss Doggie]

I'd like to see your research numbers that show Shulk and Rhythm Heaven are significantly more popular in Japan than America. Also, Palutena is very highly requested everywhere... not just because Sakurai made Kid Icarus either. And while I'd like to see K. Rool, there's no way he's one of the most desired characters here in the US.

If you're going to continue to make these same points over and over again, you're going to need some facts and evidence to back it up.

Ridley's popularity transcends time and space!

 

[Jintor]

if we're going to talk about most requested we have to talk about goku obvs

 

[munchie64]

if we're going to talk about most requested we have to talk about goku obvs

Goku's too old school. Naruto pls.

 

[BGBW]

Time battles are a fundamental part of Smash's mechanics. Why do tournaments switch to stock?

I thought they did time + stock.

 

[MrSaturn99]

if we're going to talk about most requested we have to talk about goku obvs

 

[RMS Gigantic]

Not a good comparison. The fundamental nature of poker is that it relies on luck and being able to hide when you're lucky.

The fundamental nature of competitive Smash is being able to read an opponent, quickly take advantage of a situation, and have the chops to execute what you want to execute quickly.

Alright, then how about a comparison to competetive World of Tanks, where teams of 7 versus 7 strategize to take each other down while working to compensate for uneven (but balanced) maps and shooting guns with ranges of accuracy rather than pinpoint accuracy, as well as armor penetration and damage values that can vary by plus or minus 25%?

 

[Boss Doggie]

Characters getting Smash invitations from Sakurai should be a meme

 

[Toxi]

I thought they did time + stock.

Mode is stock. Do you call a timed coin battle a time battle?

 

[BGBW]

Mode is stock. Do you call a timed coin battle a time battle?

Well when I switch to stock I usually just do stock and not time + stock so I'd call it a timed stock battle to differentiate the two.

 

[Neoriceisgood]

Characters getting Smash invitations from Sakurai should be a meme

No.

 

[soviet prince]

I'd like to see your research numbers that show Shulk and Rhythm Heaven are significantly more popular in Japan than America. Also, Palutena is very highly requested everywhere... not just because Sakurai made Kid Icarus either. And while I'd like to see K. Rool, there's no way he's one of the most desired characters here in the US.

If you're going to continue to make these same points over and over again, you're going to need some facts and evidence to back it up.

characters popular in japan I got from a poster on here that posted on what the jpn request are. IK ridley is very popular which I will go into when I post my article.

Do you need any proof for ridley????????

 

[MrSaturn99]

Characters getting Smash invitations from Sakurai should be a meme

Indeed.

Spoiler

SpongeBob should've gone DOIIIIBIBIBIBIBIUUOUOOUOUOUOUOU at the end like he did in the episode though

 

[BGBW]

Japan's top three are:

1. Doraemon
2. Luffy from One Piece
3. Hello Kitty

 

[Toxi]

characters popular in japan I got from a poster on here that posted on what the jpn request are. IK ridley is very popular which I will go into when I post my article.

Do you need any proof for ridley????????

Frankly, the final roster is going to probably be terrible and leave nobody happy. Ridley won't be in, Palutena won't be in, Takamaru sure as fuck won't be in. But that doesn't matter because the game will be terrible. The items will be unbalanced and obnoxious. The stages will be either boring as fuck or unbelievably gimmicky. Online will be laggier than UMvC3. The game itself will just be a faster Brawl or slower Melee. And we'll never get a better sequel. The new Smash won't sell because nobody cares about the Wii U, which will die a lonely death. The 3DS will be pushed to the brink by te burgeoning mobile market. Nintendo will permanently discontinue the series. The competitive scene will dwindle to an insane few. The casual players will suck the teat of new corporate overlords. Mario will hang up his hat and overalls to retire.

In the far-flung future, a child digs for trinkets in the irradiated trash heaps. The girl finds a plastic box with colorful characters and strange markings on its surface. Confused, she brings it to her mother, who tells her to consult the priest of the old tongue. The elderly man conducts the proper ceremony and then announces the holy words on the box:

Spoiler

Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale.

 

[Jintor]

if you want to see the future, picture sakurai, aging backwards through time, stomping on your fingers

forever

 

[SuperSah]

Japan's top three are:

1. Doraemon
2. Luffy from One Piece
3. Hello Kitty

Hello Kitty cutes it up!!

 

[KHlover]

Frankly, the final roster is going to probably be terrible and leave nobody happy. Ridley won't be in, Palutena won't be in, Takamaru sure as fuck won't be in. But that doesn't matter because the game will be terrible. The items will be unbalanced and obnoxious. The stages will be either boring as fuck or unbelievably gimmicky. Online will be laggier than UMvC3. The game itself will just be a faster Brawl or slower Melee. And we'll never get a better sequel. The new Smash won't sell because nobody cares about the Wii U, which will die a lonely death. The 3DS will be pushed to the brink by te burgeoning mobile market. Nintendo will permanently discontinue the series. The competitive scene will dwindle to an insane few. The casual players will suck the teat of new corporate overlords. Mario will hang up his hat and overalls to retire.

In the far-flung future, a child digs for trinkets in the irradiated trash heaps. The girl finds aplastic box with colorful characters and strange markings on its surface. Confused, she brongs it to her mother, who tells her to consult the priest of the old tongue. The elderly man conducts the proper ceremony and then announces the holy words on the box:

Spoiler

Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale.

Bravo

 

[Hours Left]

Hello Kitty cutes it up!!

Hello Kitty says goodbye to her competition!

 

[Benzychenz]

Characters getting Smash invitations from Sakurai should be a meme

Lol that was actually good.

 

[Toxi]

if you want to see the future, picture sakurai, aging backwards through time, stomping on your fingers

forever

Won't be that bad once he reaches the neonatal stage.

 

[Tomohawk]

Fair enough, I suppose.



I didn't say that the amount of time a player can react to items (and other random elements, like Halberd's stage hazards) isn't a factor, it's just not nearly as much of a factor as not being able to control items (which you didn't really argue against).

Seriously, if there was a systematic, nonrandom way to spawn items, then they would be looked at more favorably competitive-wise because it would simply add more ways to play the game with skill. There's a reason why people are OK with Peach pulling Bob-ombs out of the ground or with Mr. Game & Watch getting a 9. Once control is taken away from the players, it essentially ceases to be a fair 1-on-1 fight.

Let me go back to the Halberd example. Yes, the stage is legal, but it's also purely a counterpick stage. The point of the stage is that it's not supposed to be a fair 1-on-1 fight. That's why you would take someone there, because it would favor you a lot more than it would favor your opponent.

The point I was trying to make with the halberd is to show that something being out of the players control like the stage hazards, doesn't automatically make it uncompetitive.

I think the idea of set spawn points for items is an excellent one and maybe saying which items next like tetris would be cool. That being said I dont think there's anything wrong with make the items that appear random. It tests the players ability to adapt and i think just opens up the number of options possible. I think your in agreement with me on the last point though since you mentioned peach pulling out bombs.

 

[Tomohawk]

Congratulations, you just described Poker.

The difference between poker and smash is the playing field is even, even with the random elements while random items drops does makes the playing field dramatically uneven.

 

[SaintMadeOfPlaster]

Characters getting Smash invitations from Sakurai should be a meme

That had the potential to be great, but that punchline just made me cringe.

 

[Qurupeke]

Pic of the day. Don't eat him. You can't eat him.

Waddle Dee isn't a newcomer, I see...

 

[BGBW]

Waddle Dee is the new ROB.

 

[Kurtofan]

I don't believe Waddle Dee will be in the game, but the WD we see today wouldn't be the WD we would get as a character, this is:

So he isn't "disconfirmed"

 

[Neoriceisgood]

Waddle Dee would be a pretty dumb character addition.

 

[RiggyRob]

I'd rather have the Squeek Squad than Waddle Dee - it's such a nothing character (which is the point).

 

[Zalman]

I'd rather have the Squeek Squad than Waddle Dee - it's such a nothing character (which is the point).

I'd rather have Waddle Dee than the Chorus Men.

 

[Qurupeke]

Waddle Dee is the new ROB.

I'm fine with that.

 

[BGBW]

Honestly, if we ever got an common enemy as a fighter it would have to be a Goomba since that is the most famous of all.

 

[NotLiquid]

Waddle Dee would be a pretty dumb character addition.

Who remembers the unlockable Toad in Melee rumor

 

[Benzychenz]

Honestly, if we ever got an common enemy as a fighter it would have to be a Goomba since that is the most famous of all.

Waddle Dee is a playable character though. He's more comparable to a Toad.

 

[ffdgh]

So as expected the pic was noth....wait is that a parasol? I NEED ANSWERS SAKURAI!

 

[Boss Doggie]

So as expected the pic was noth....wait is that a parasol? I NEED ANSWERS SAKURAI!

It's probably the parasol waddle dee

 

[BGBW]

Waddle Dee is a playable character though. He's more comparable to a Toad.

???

 

[ffdgh]

It's probably the parasol waddle dee

Don't worry I've already taken that into consideration. The fact that he trollishly left it in the pic give me a small bit of hope for it's return.

 

[Neoriceisgood]

Who remembers the unlockable Toad in Melee rumor

*raises hand*

 

[Benzychenz]

???

I mean in mainline games.

 

[Tatersalad]

That had the potential to be great, but that punchline just made me cringe.

Yup, had potential but didn't follow through.

 

[BassForever]

Yeah that parasol isn't an item thats parasol dee getting hit and dropping his. The one pictured is way too small to be a smash item

 

[MaverickHunterAsh]

Okay, so the Ice Climbers didn't happen for the Japanese release of Famicom Remix 1+2. Unless they're revealed tomorrow for NES Remix 2's US release, it looks like those who bet on the Ice Climbers to be the next veteran reveal are probably out.

Up to bat next: the Meta Knight voters! (Myself included!)

 

[Riki]

Shulk is wayyyyyy less popular than most of you think he is.

You're way less popular than we think you is!

 

[SaintMadeOfPlaster]

Waddle Dee would be a pretty dumb character addition.

Yep. If you want to have some really obscure character, at least let it be something more interesting than a sphere with a spear.

I'd gladly take a Kirby costume that looked like Waddle Dee, though.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Okay, so the Ice Climbers didn't happen for the Japanese release of Famicom Remix 1+2. Unless they're revealed tomorrow for NES Remix 2's US release, it looks like those who bet on the Ice Climbers to be the next veteran reveal are probably out.

Up to bat next: the Meta Knight voters! (Myself included!)

Wait? I thought they would release Famicom Remix 1+ 2 tomorrow for Japan?