I always loved he didn't pay Aquaman one bit of attention.
They dude got powers they don't even have names for, and they pissed him off.
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I always loved he didn't pay Aquaman one bit of attention.
They dude got powers they don't even have names for, and they pissed him off.
Bobby Roberts
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They're obviously not trying to emulate the Avengers specifically BECAUSE they're not doing the same thing Marvel's had planned.
Unless you think the idea of a superhero team-up is Marvel's and Marvel's alone.
Because they weren't even the first on the scene to make a movie in which multiple superheroes starred.
I wish more people would accept this or even simply acknowledge this. It would make for discussion about these things so much better.
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What also gets me annoyed is people complaining about to many characters. Yet they're all to happy to ignore this issue with Captain America 2. Here's the significant good guy characters/heroes that appeared in that film.
1. Captain America
2. Black Widow
3. Falcon
4. Nick Fury
5. Maria Hill
6. Sharon Carter
Black Widow got just as much focus as Cap in the film. Yet it's still consider a Captain America sequel. No one dares joke that it should have been Avengers 2 or say it as a put down. Then there are all the other minor characters throughout the film and then the bad guys. Some that might still appear later. Yet Man of Steel 2 is the one people want to jump on!?
There's nothing to suggest they won't flesh out the characters or respect the source with this movie. Nothing at all. All we have so far are casting announcements.
Nope. All the legal shit surrounding the name means he's officially Shazam.
Gotta love how helpless Superman looks taking a heat vision shot. Like shit's just too real for him.
Spike Spiegel
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"Sorry J'onn, but we've got a REAL black guy now. Besides, marketing says green skin doesn't make you 'diverse' anymore."
Also, I hope you're ready for
"you're strong!"
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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"This movie is bloated."
SMH.
Bobby Roberts
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I think it's possible Black Adam shows up first, and we don't even get Shazam/Billy Batson until a later movie. Essentially, Black Adam becomes the reason Billy becomes Shazam. Sort of the reverse of most superhero movies,where the superhero inadvertently creates the villain - this time Adam accidentally creates the superhero who beats him.
Nu huh! Cause Superman is with Lois. I seen it in MoS. I seen it!
...Unless they break up in this one...They're going to break up in this one. Ugh.
That would actually be cool. One of DC's animated shorts had Adam target Billy because he bore the mark of the wizard or something that meant he was going to become Shazam. You could take that as a starting point and flesh it out to make a film.
I wonder if people really believe this. A movie that was pretty much a phenomenon and grossed $1.5 billion did so because there were some movies that grossed about $400-600 million before. Avengers ended up appealing to a whole new audience that wasn't really present for those build up movies, and in turn, the subsequent individual movies are faring better because some of that new audience is coming back for them.
If anything, WB is smart because they realise they don't have to waste time doing all that nonsense. They did the first movie to establish a universe and tone. The second movie is going right into bringing Batman himself. They're pretty much guaranteeing themselves a huge $1 billion+ movie and will end up giving exposure to some other superheroes via cameo and establish their universe further. They just need to focus on making a good movie, because don't no one want to see 5 mediocre movies like Marvel did to finally get to that main course.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
All this time I've spent bitching and complaining that they just need to pattern themselves after Justice League Unlimited - and it turns out that might be exactly what they're doing.
The utter lack of character development in Man of Steel, and the fact that the same writer/director are returning would suggest otherwise.
I'm but after seeing your posts on the gaming section I can't tell whether you're serious or trolling...
I really hope the next movie after Man of Steel 2 is Justice League. Especially if they're going to do some big cameo of other superheroes at the end of this. They can branch out into some individual movies after that.
Bobby Roberts
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Goyer's not on the project - hasn't been since shortly after Affleck joined.
It pretty much has to be Justice League after World's Finest. And then probably a Wonder Woman movie - but I'd be willing to bet there's going to be a Justice Leaguer or two co-starring with her, as well. And then after that, I'd imagine a Flash or Green Lantern movie - but with a couple Justice Leaguers there, too.
Basically - I can easily see a future where it's basically every 2 years, you get a WB superhero movie - and there's going to be multiple WB superheroes in each one, because their cinematic universe allowed for, and then showed, multiple superheroes interacting in World's Finest.
Pretty much just like the Justice League cartoon.
SmellyHands
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No love for Batroc the Leaper?
Film has a new writer and the director was picked specifically because he's a comic book fan that has a history of making comic movies that respect the source almost to their detriment (300, Watchmen).
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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People need to remember that Terio writes the script now, not Goyer.
Yeah I just googled that. Never mind on that part then. Still hope they reign in Zack's visual "style." If I want to see two dudes flying really fast and punching each other non stop I'll just watch Dragonball Z.
Bobby Roberts
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Snyder's patented style wasn't even IN Man of Steel, man. If anything, you should be hoping he cuts that motherfucker loose.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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Don't worry, since Larry Fong is back, I expect the film to look more like Watchmen or Sucker Punch or even 300, and less like MoS.
No thanks. I had enough of it with 300 and Sucker Punch.
Ninja Scooter
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Marvel HAD to do that because they lost the rights to their most popular characters. Had that never happened we would have gotten Spiderman and Xmen movies from them and Avengers never happens. They had to introduce people to Iron Man and Thor because to the general public those characters were not as well known. Wonder Woman and Batman don't need to be "introduced" in the same way.
It which case that is a shining example of that saying "art thrives on limitations"
Bobby Roberts
Banned
You're confusing me, man. You had no faith because Goyer is on the movie, except he isn't, but then you were upset because you thought Snyder's style was too loud, until it was pointed out that wasn't even Snyder's style, at which point you didn't like it anyway.
You should just put on Dragonball Z already. You know, that wonderfully animated, cleverly written bastion of characterization and deeper meaning starring a bad superman clone in ripped up jammies with a tail coming out of his ass.
Ninja Scooter
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Probably true, but I would wager based on the box office results that a whole lot of people watched Avengers without having watched the lead up movies. It's not exactly a difficult canon to follow on the fly. The lead-up movies are not absolutely essential.
BadAss2961
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Gets no better than the Snyder/Fong combo visually.
You're confusing me, man. You had no faith because Goyer is on the movie, except he isn't, but then you were upset because you thought Snyder's style was too loud, until it was pointed out that wasn't even Snyder's style, at which point you didn't like it anyway.
You should just put on Dragonball Z already. You know, that wonderfully animated, cleverly written bastion of characterization and deeper meaning starring a bad superman clone in ripped up jammies with a tail coming out of his ass.
Did I ever once say DBZ was good?
And yes, i didn't like the style of MoS, or Suckerpuch (I loved 300 when it first came out, but its just meh to me now). What of it? If I don't like one I have to like the other?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I'm just fucking with you. You brought up putting on Dragonball earlier, so I just tossed it back in your lap.
I'm just saying that if any possible answer to your complaints is just gonna get wadded up and wiped across your pucker before you throw it over your shoulder, I don't get why you're even asking anything of the movie. You absolutely don't have to like it. But you're going out of your way to be really dismissive of it even WHEN your concerns are being addressed.
Father_Brain
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You're assuming that Avengers' success had nothing to do with the five films leading up to it (did no one watch them on Blu-Ray or TV in your scenario?) and everything to do with the fact that it features a bunch of superheroes in one movie. This seems dubious, to put it mildly.
Assuming for the sake of argument that your box-office prediction is correct: wouldn't you rather have 4-5 films grossing $400-600m worldwide plus a team-up movie that grosses over $1 billion, rather than just the latter? It's not that audiences don't want to see solo superhero films, no matter how much you might personally dislike most of Marvel Studios' output; it's that WB doesn't have faith in its superhero IP, other than Batman and (to a seemingly lesser extent) Superman.
Batman, arguably, but Wonder Woman? Absolutely not. The only thing truly "iconic" about her is her name, costume, and maybe that she carries a golden lasso; your average member of the general public probably knows next to nothing about her origin, powers, villains, or motivation for being a superheroine. (Which has a lot to do with how inconsistent those elements have been across her history, but I digress.)
Bobby Roberts
Banned
They must have some level of faith, because it appears they're full steam ahead on their "start with the shared universe" strategy, and World's Finest & Justice League are go.
Maybe they don't believe these heroes can float their own movies, but then again, it looks like they don't plan on giving them their own movies, but instead giving audiences DC Universe movies every couple of years.
That's the thing. WB doesn't need to do that or even can't because they make so many other films. Marvel Studios only makes Marvel superhero films. That's it's sole purpose. WB as a company is much more diversified. They don't need to do what Marvel is doing. To do that they'd likely have to cut back on all the other films they put out and back. The risk and uncertainty is likely to strong to do that.
Ninja Scooter
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I think they are testing the waters, see what resonates with people. If WW or whoever Rock plays become popular I think you can definitely expect solo films. Batman will almost certainly get an entire new series of movies and universe reboot as well.
To WB's credit, it's not like they weren't trying to get Batman/Superman and JLA movies off the ground in the past, before Marvel Studios came around. I'm sure Marvel's success has given them greater impetus to get it done, but WB's has known for a long time that putting a bunch of heroes in the same movie is a potential cash cow.
They had a fully casted JLA movie ready to go about a decade ago before they had to kill it. Costumes made and everything. The idea was always on the table. Only now it looks like they're finally going to get to pull the trigger.
Father_Brain
Banned
I'll believe they have faith in their IP when they announce a couple DCU-based films that aren't centered around Superman and/or Batman, and that preferably don't feature either character at all. Right now, I fully expect Justice League to be World's Finest and Friends.
Disney isn't diversified? They don't make a ton of non-Marvel films? Is two films a year... heck, one DCU-based film per year really that unreasonable to expect in 2014?
And assuming that the right execs were in charge, I don't see any reason why setting up an autonomous DC Studios division would be a bad or unreasonable idea.
Ninja Scooter
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Still surprised we never got tons of leaks from that. Would have loved to see some costume pics.
Ajemsuhgao
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God I hope that is a bowl of meat.
Tell me it's a bowl of meat.
Is he literally beating his meat?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
But why would they need to do that considering those two superheroes are the two most popular in the history of the medium?
The fact they're using those two to introduce more superheroes into the mix shouldn't be seen as a negative, should it? And if so, why?
This isn't the same thing. Disney owns Marvel Studios, but Marvel Studios operates more or less autonomously from Disney as a film studio. Marvel Studios exists solely to make Marvel movies.
The only way this would be analogous is if WB had a separate studio, that had already existed as a film studio, that they purchased after that studio's initial success.
Disney isn't Marvel. Disney OWNS Marvel, but Marvel Studios is not the same as Disney Pictures.
WB is just WB. They don't have a "DC Studios" that operates autonomously under its umbrella, with its own CEO and budgets.
Weta's got em somewhere. We'll see 'em eventually. Probably after Justice League drops - sorta like how we only finally got to see Nic Cage's costume tests once Man of Steel was definitely a go.
crimsonspider89
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Yes it is a bad thing. It indicates that WB still has no faith in its other DC properties.
WHich means there won't be solo movies focusing on others or other aspects of the universe.
It also means that there team movies are going to be Bats/Supes and friends with everyones else making them two look good.
Father_Brain
Banned
If Marvel Studios put Iron Man in a starring role in every film they released (Iron Man and the Avengers, Iron Man and Thor 2, Iron Man and the Guardians of the Galaxy), how would that impact their ability to tell stories about other superhero characters? What would that say about their assessment of the comparative value of their non-Iron Man IP?
I hope you see my point.
You're stating obvious facts about how WB is structured as though it excuses their handling of the DCU, when in fact it's all the more reason for criticism.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Why do you NEED solo movies in order to focus on other aspects of the universe?
You don't.
How is putting multiple superheroes in its superhero movies proof of no faith in superheroes?
It isn't.
I see your point, but I feel that using Iron Man as your example sort of kneecaps it, considering how many of the Marvel movies he's actually appeared in - plus their assessment of the comparative value of their non Iron-Man IP doesn't mean much if they're going to make movies featuring those other characters ANYWAY.
What do I care if an executive doesn't believe that Cyborg can have his own movie. Cyborg's still going to be in Justice League, isn't he? Does it really mean all that much if some executive is skeptical as to the earning power of Wonder Woman if that executive is going to greenlight not only her appearance in World's Finest AND Justice League, but also contract that actress to appear in a Wonder Woman film ANYWAY?
Marvel's assessment of their IP has a lot to do with the fact they don't have access to Spider-Man, the X-Men, and the Fantastic Four.
WB doesn't have that problem.
crimsonspider89
Banned
Because showing the ful aspect of the universes is important in removing the belief that all comic books are the same.
Putting them as supporting characters to the big two isn't having faith in your own property.
You are stating those properties are worthless to fans and investors alike.
I have absolutely no idea on any of Wonder Woman's backstory. Batman, Superman, and Spiderman are probably the only 3 heroes whose backstories are really that well known (well, probably Iron Man and the Hulk too, due in part to them both getting an assload of movies in the past decade).
Bobby Roberts
Banned
No you're not. Nothing you're saying makes any sense. If those properties were "worthless" they wouldn't be included in World's Finest and Justice League. They wouldn't be television shows on the CW and NBC.
Worthless properties don't get developed.
And properties aren't developed as a means to prove to the skeptical that "all comic books are the same"
That's not even a factor anymore, if it ever even really was.
And if you think a supporting character that breaks out WON'T be given a chance to further earn for the company, you're tripping. They're ABSOLUTELY going to milk any superhero that seems to catch fire with the audience.
I wonder how they will deal with the WW origin/story. I remember people saying Whedon came to them with an idea awhile back with cobie smulders as WW but that didn't go well apparently.
I want the invisible jet. Like it being invisible and all you see is her in seated in it. Just imagine seeing a chick flying in the air while looking like she is in the passenger seat of a car. Shit writes itself it's beautiful
I want the invisible jet. Like it being invisible and all you see is her in seated in it. Just imagine seeing a chick flying in the air while looking like she is in the passenger seat of a car. Shit writes itself it's beautiful
DonasaurusRex
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not maybe, xmen ran shit during the 90's, but yes the image barrage of the 90's had them eating up like 30 percent or more of the market. they were on one of those rolls ya know, couldnt do wrong, every book was a hit. Cyber Force, Pitt, Maxx, Spawn like you said, they ate up a bunch of peoples marketshare. Batman, and Superman weren't killed/broken/married for no reason . Even though Batman really didnt see much loss, he was a HUGE proportion of DC's solicits at that time i gotta dig up a comic from that era and see just how many Batman books were coming out. Xmen and Spiderman were fine, they ran the 90's , image couldn't touch that even spawn was strong for a minute but then ultimately ...no. Just like Bats at DC spiderman , spectacular spiderman, sensational spiderman, spiderman one shots, xmen, uncanny, xforce, excalibur, wolverine, xfactor etc etc etc. They were most of Marvels books. A bunch of other chars were just shelved.
Ugh, I wish DC would stop trying to make Cyborg a JL member happen. Get back to the Titans!
And while they're at it, there's still time to recast Wonder Woman! She looks fine and tall and all, but Gal Gadot's English-speaking is atrocious. I don't see them salvaging a good performance out of her even with a dialect coach without resorting to dubbing her lines.
What's wrong with the accent? Why would she have to know perfect english in the first place? She's from a magical island full of greek goddesses. She can get away with having an accent.
They could easily do the jet in an origin film. Steve Trevor is flying a prototype jet with some super cloaking technology, lands on Themyscira, and he and Diana return to the outside world with said jet and maybe use it to fuck shit up in a big ending battle scene.
What we could have.
I like like this. Does he keep his glasses on all the time?
SilentSoldier
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Meh, i still prefer Cyborg as a Titan instead of the Justice League.
Even if its just a small role, this movie is still becoming more bloated. Is WB so afraid of making stand alone DC movies outside of Superman and Batman that they'd risk making a shitty bloated mess of a movie?
Even if its just a small role, this movie is still becoming more bloated. Is WB so afraid of making stand alone DC movies outside of Superman and Batman that they'd risk making a shitty bloated mess of a movie?
Bobby Roberts
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How bloated was Incredibles?
How bloated was Watchmen?
How bloated was Captain America: The Winter Soldier?
How bloated was The Avengers?
How bloated was X-Men?
How bloated was X2: X-Men United?
How bloated was X3: The...
...don't answer that one.
How bloated was X-Men First Class?
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