Same here! I'm pissed! Make two movies back to back- one a sequel to MoS and two a Justice League movie. The almighty dollar wins out here though
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Same here! I'm pissed! Make two movies back to back- one a sequel to MoS and two a Justice League movie. The almighty dollar wins out here though
SquiddyCracker
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Guys, how many heroes can we squeeze into a Superman sequel!?
Extra Sauce
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1. I know what it was called, I even own the DVDs.
2. What works in a cartoon doesn't necessarily work in a live-action film. You're comparing apples to oranges.
3. It was challenging to introduce the entire Justice League inside a 22 minutes cartoon, but legendary creators have a tendency to make their work look effortless.
Ninja Scooter
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Not the greatest actor but I don't think he needs to be. I really hope they take a cue from Kingdom come for his costume though. No orange spandex please.
The people involved in that are not working on this and the target audience already knew those superheroes origins and that venture had far different expectations than this. It's quite a different approach for a movie who hopes to lure in the casual crowd. Not saying it can't be done, but using JL/JLU as an example is quite a stretch.
Also, DC animated > DC live action since like forever.
Delta Assault
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And they didn't really just introduce em all at once in JL.
First they had Batman do a crossover with Superman to start up the Superman TAS. Then they had Green Lantern show up in an episode of Superman. Then they did an episode with Flash. Etc.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Not only that, Bonet's daughter is that winged girl from X-Men: First Class!
poopninjamvc3mk
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Aquaman is pretty godlike though.
So we doing the thing where we treat this rumor as true despite no official statement and only having one source of questionable legitimacy?
Kay.
That's four characters of seven who were first seen in the show's pilot.
Kay.
The Green Lantern they used in JL was an entirely different character than the one they used in Superman. Wonder Woman, Hawkgirl, and Manhunter were all introduced in the JL pilot
That's four characters of seven who were first seen in the show's pilot.
BadAss2961
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Funny you say this. The characters can actually be very similar to each other. In fact, I really hope that's the direction they're taking.
Hopefully that rumor of Josh Holloway, Sawyer from Lost, as Flash comes true, he could totally bring them to together.
Extra Sauce
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I see something wrong with WB's approach of hiring people like David S Goyer.
The Cyborg thing makes sense since he's not Cyborg yet? But Aquaman and WW as cameo status? Fuck that.
I'm guessing Lex calls Brainiac to earth somehow? I don't know, will wait for plot details.
Bobby Roberts
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1) it's not like it's quantum physics. It's superheroes. A competent writer should be able to get you up to speed on a superhero pretty quickly.
2) the "target audience" of Justice League weren't superhero experts. They were kids.
Origins aren't necessary to telling a superhero story. Most superheroes didn't even GET an origin until long after they had already established themselves as compelling characters to follow on their own.
"What works in a cartoon" is a bullshit excuse. The best superhero movie is a fucking cartoon by Brad Bird.
It didn't work because it was animated. It worked because it was well written, perfectly directed, and featured characters that were involving and superheroics that were fun as hell. You're telling me it's harder to do that just because the people on the screen aren't cartoons? You don't have to BE Brad Bird in order to write a superhero movie without an origin in it. We're dealing with characters that are older than most people's GRANDPARENTS.
The majority of the people who watched Avengers watched maybe one other Marvel movie before that. Maybe two. Probably both starring Robert Downey Jr. Somehow, that movie didn't trainwreck.
People's "conventional wisdom" regarding superheroes is broken as shit.
That's not what I said, and that's not what you quoted. Wonder Woman as a supporting role. Cameos from Aquaman & Cyborg. Unless Aquaman isn't even in it, as the only source reporting this right now is Batman-Film.com.
Rodney McKay
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First good thing I've heard about this movie.
Manmademan
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Make him Black Adam and all is right in the world:
Nah, the Rock needs to be Black Adam. Momoa can't act his way out of a paper bag, and yes I DO own the conan film he stars in.
Ninja Scooter
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Fortunately another, more talented screenwriter is rewriting the script.
Extra Sauce
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"What works in a cartoon" is a bullshit excuse. The best superhero movie is a fucking cartoon by Brad Bird.
If you think it's a bullshit excuse, please film scripts from superhero TV cartoons using live actors and let me know how that turns out.
NO. It's a batman and superman movie with leeches.
SmackAttack
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Dude can't act but the thing that's bumming me out about all of this is that this is definitely not a Superman sequel anymore. I was okay with Batman showing up some but all this other news is making me a bit nervous. I will reserve full judgement until we see some footage and a trailer though.
Well maybe they can come up with plausible explanations for all the superheroes, but how can they get them all together in there suits without it coming across as a parody and a bit silly.
I thought realism was why they got Nolan on board. I dont really think they should have went down the realistic direction though. If people are expecting that sort of tone then it might make it more difficult.
Glass Rebel
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The thing I find weird about these castings is how half of the cast seems to be too old to star in the DC universe for too long. Affleck will be 43 by the time this movie is out. Bale was 31 when he first played Bats.
Fancy Clown
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Why don't they just call this movie 'justice league' already
What's the issue?
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
All these characters crammed in.
Casting choice for Alfred, Lex, Wonder Woman & Aquaman.
Manmademan
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Competent writers in hollywood aren't all that common. Look at all the cartoon and comic book adaptations that went over like a lead balloon. They VASTLY outnumber the good films 5 to 1, and that's being generous. Something like "Transformers" should be brain dead easy to do, yet all three films have been disasters. And bad as they were, GI Joe was inexplicably even worse.
This hasn't been true for decades. The target audience for DC and Marvel is the audience that grew up with these characters in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Your average fanboy (much like your average console gamer) is in their mid thirties, and the stories have reflected this for quite some time. There is a world of difference between an Avengers story in 1988, and an Avengers story in 2014.
Origin stories are necessary when films such as this one target an audience that does not follow the books, and even moreso when they follow other films that might conflict with what SvB is trying to do. Superman just got a film that works well as an origin, that's not needed. Batman on the other hand just had a film come out in which Bruce Wayne lost all his money and gave away wayne manor, wrecked his body almost to the point of failure before the film even started, and handed over the mantle of Batman to someone else. Who Batman even IS in this one is going to require some background.
And that's before getting to the B and C tier. No one knows anything about Aquaman, Wonder Woman, or Cyborg and those characters have more or less been confirmed. Green lantern just had a film that everyone hated that DC is probably going to want to retcon out if they want to use the character. Martian manhunter is EXTREMELY obscure to the general public. You can't just dump these wildly different individuals and power sets into the middle of a film with no explanation. Fanboys might be forgiving, but the broader audience isn't.
Which is a problem in and of itself. DC reboots these characters every decade and a half or so. The batman my father grew up with is vastly different than the batman i grew up with, and that one is different still than the one currently running around in the new 52. Superman? Same issue. golden age, silver age, bronze age and new 52 are all different characters. A definitive origin to reconcile this for those who have only a passing familiarity with the properties from childhood is necessary here.
Hulk had two films, one that did $245 million, the other that did $263 million. Cap had one film, $370 million WW. Thor had one film, $449 million WW. And that's before we get into the Iron Man films.
All of these movies were available cheaply on DVD and netflix long before Avengers hit the box office, giving fans plenty of time to catch up. Marvel's reach with these films was a lot broader than you're giving them credit for.
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