Exactly my thoughts.Good luck Phil, you have a monumental task in front of you but at least it seems your trying to pick up the pieces.
Listening to gamers and offering exclusive games is the future of XONE - Phil Spencer
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Exactly my thoughts.Good luck Phil, you have a monumental task in front of you but at least it seems your trying to pick up the pieces.
The point being a potential game that would have been multiplat ruined by throwing money at it and limiting to one console. At least Sony has many first party studios and doesn't need to buy exclusively. What has ms got now halo, gears and forza. And gears was of course epic which got money threw at it.
BundysFeet
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System wars. Its a serious business.
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Whipped Spartan
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I think XBO is going be a hell of a system this gen. Exciting times to be a console gamer with PS and XB working for their money these days.
Sorry read it as a fanboy response. I spent too much time of Gamefaq's today.
exactly the question I thought of.
hope it's the ladder.
Alfred Saxon
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The Xbone (thats what u guys call it not me) is far behind the PS4 in sales right. So the only way for MS to catch up is to make and buy exclusive games like Titanfall.
I want to buy a Xbox one i just need a few better games then i'm in. Make Titanfall 2 a real Xbox One exclusive (No PC/360 ports) then i will definitely buy one. I hope to see something amazing at E3 to make me buy a X1.
I'm just curious, but if you don't already have an Xbox One... why do you want things to be made exclusively for it to convince you to get one? Would you not enjoy the games as much if other people could play them?
7DollarHagane
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I think you should just play what you want and quit worrying about things being fair or who's ahead of who.
Does it make a difference if it's 1st party or 3rd party? I'd be happy with any type of exclusivity.
Sorry not tryna get at you bro. It's just dumb that many people say that MS just buys exclusive and timed exclusives. And my pet peeve is that since when are those games not valid as exclusivity?
I don't want 3rd party console war snatch ups like Titanfall. Bring games that wouldn't exist otherwise Bayonetta 2 style.
As much as I'm against buying a X1 right now, I'd be legit happy if they announced Megaman Legends and would buy the system to play it. Sony and Nintendo haven't brought me the game.
As much as I'm against buying a X1 right now, I'd be legit happy if they announced Megaman Legends and would buy the system to play it. Sony and Nintendo haven't brought me the game.
Because that blows up the very foundation of what this forum is built upon. If anything you should edit out that post so we can return things to how they were before you typed it.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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This Phil Spencer guy is great. Hope we get ton of great exclusives at E3.
Pestilence11
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Buying exclusives that would otherwise be available to other gamers doesn't help the industry as much as xbox fans try to rationalize it.
Funding games that otherwise wouldn't come out is another story.
Let's hope it's the latter.
Funding games that otherwise wouldn't come out is another story.
Let's hope it's the latter.
aspiegamer
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I'm encouraged by his words but a little weary if he's still talking about launch titles like Ryse when the focus clearly needs to be forward. It's true that Titanfall did likely sell a lot of units over the first few months to people anticipating it but Microsoft needs to come up with a compelling reason for people to nab their console and do it ASAP before the PS4 stretches ahead even further. E3 should be good but something has to come up. Sony is really kicking the Xbox division in the groin with TLoU; "Didn't have a PS3? Here's your chance to come over to the PS4 and get a chance to play it!" ...360 users as converts are a not-insignificant audience Sony want to pick up. Superior multiplats are just half that battle.
I like the optimism here but you can be damn sure he's on orders from higher above to have the division profitable; ie price cuts are hundreds of millions of lost revenue at a time where they're under pressure. If Corporate thinks that the current sales (that DO meet projections out of the most recent earnings report) are a good sign without better understanding of the gaming industry changes could be extremely slow. The Xbox division might scream for a price cut all day every day but if people looking at spreadsheets with numbers that look acceptable from the info in their packets/reports they won't surrender what they assume is almost assured revenue in the existing business model. This is something I think is being seriously ignored as a potential roadblock in possible changes. The Microsoft corporate structure is gigantic.
I like the optimism here but you can be damn sure he's on orders from higher above to have the division profitable; ie price cuts are hundreds of millions of lost revenue at a time where they're under pressure. If Corporate thinks that the current sales (that DO meet projections out of the most recent earnings report) are a good sign without better understanding of the gaming industry changes could be extremely slow. The Xbox division might scream for a price cut all day every day but if people looking at spreadsheets with numbers that look acceptable from the info in their packets/reports they won't surrender what they assume is almost assured revenue in the existing business model. This is something I think is being seriously ignored as a potential roadblock in possible changes. The Microsoft corporate structure is gigantic.
Why on earth would you punish yourself like that when you have a NeoGAF account?
Phoenix Fang
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Would you rather him being stressed into saying TV, TV, TV? It's like they can't win with you guys.
You act as if NeoGAF is any different from GameFAQS these days.
I had never really stopped to consider this... how depressing.
Nightengale
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Isn't that the whole point of being a gaming console company?
SEGA did it. Nintendo is still doing it. Sony is still doing it.
Heck, it's not like you didn't do it... it's just that you were perceived to be inferior in offerings to the competition in the long-run.
SEGA did it. Nintendo is still doing it. Sony is still doing it.
Heck, it's not like you didn't do it... it's just that you were perceived to be inferior in offerings to the competition in the long-run.
Alfred Saxon
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I think if a dev focuses solely on one version of the game when making it, It will be a better polished game. Also i dont like dividing a already small online player base. Look at what happened to BF4 5 different platforms shrinking the online community on each one and the game lacks the polish and quality of previous titles.
I can still enjoy a game if someone else is playing it on another platform of course but wished we could all play together online as one. MS has 1 billion dollars to spend on games instead of making mediocre games from microsoft studios why not buy great games like Titanfall ect and if you want to play it buy a Xbox.
I admit i'm biased towards xbox i love my Xbox 360 and want the X1 to do really well but it looks like they have fucked everything up. Its still quite shocking to me actually almost everyone online seems to hate Xbox/MS i hope Phil can win hearts and minds at E3.
I love the controller and Xbox Live its perfect to me all they need is to lower the price of the system and focus on getting the games.
TheVanillaGorilla
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Do this and drop the price and I'll happily jump in. Much happier with this direction if it's not just bullshit corporate speak.
aygomyownroad
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Silently prays for Viva Piñata...
Prays loudly for more games of non racing and shooters
Prays loudly for more games of non racing and shooters
ZehDon
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I'm a little concerned, actually, that listening to gamers and offering exclusive games is the future of the Xbone, rather than a core pillar of Microsoft's strategy from day one. Prior to Phil taking the reins, just what exactly were they planning to do?
In any case, anything is better than nothing. However, this type of placating spiel has been delivered by Microsoft in regards to PC Gaming for over a decade now, and less than nothing has changed - if anything, they've gone backwards. I really hope Phil can pull it together and deliver the one thing people actually want from their Xbones: games!
In any case, anything is better than nothing. However, this type of placating spiel has been delivered by Microsoft in regards to PC Gaming for over a decade now, and less than nothing has changed - if anything, they've gone backwards. I really hope Phil can pull it together and deliver the one thing people actually want from their Xbones: games!
Whitechocolatekrispies
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While I appreciate you've made the commitment to Microsoft. Blind fanboy loyalty in this industry is toxic. If a company fucks up, it's up to them to earn their reputation back. Not us to prove they deserve it.
In terms of future bought exclusives there are some very crucial facts you are missing out here.
1. Console architecture. Both Xbox One and Playstation 4 run identical hardware architectures, x86 8 core, coupled on die with a GPU, APU processors, with a pooled access to 8GB RAM. Games can run the same with through roughly the same hardware. The differences between the two are heavily in the favour of the PS4. Faster RAM, no ESRAM bottlenecks and varying overheads.
What does this mean? Game engine porting is going to be a hell of a lot easier than last generation. Before we saw separate teams all devoted to porting their engines to each console. Xbox 360 was a big 3 core unified PowerPC processor with pool RAM, where as the PS3 had the cell processor (1 big core, lots of little spu's) with divided access to CPU and GPU ram.
To make a multiplatform game was expensive. To make a PS3 game was really expensive.
This generation, porting a game over between consoles is going to be easy as pie.
2. Install base. PS4 is beating out the Xbox One. Long gone is the Xbox lead from last generation. PS4 has a more consoles out there in more countries.
While money's great, at the end of the day these developers want more people playing their games. Getting a good following like Halo, COD, GT etc have is much better than a one off pay cheque from Microsoft.
Last gen paying them to limit their install base to more than half of the consoles, not a terrible business plan. Trying to pay them to limit their game to less than half the install base this generation ... that's not going to go down very well.
3. Epic: About 1/3rd as many AAA games in dev this gen, but each with 3 times the budget
We have far less AAA games, with far higher budgets. Games of this scale need to sell well. They won't sell well limited to less than half the install base. Microsoft would have to cough up a lot of money to convince the developers to exclusivity.
I find it incredibly difficult to see Microsoft buying exclusives this generation. Everything is stacked against them, power and ease of development, install base and the general direction the industry is moving in.
Look at Titanfall, probably one of this gens most highly advertised game. It's was all anyone talked about and guess what. It tanked. It failed to push the Xbox One, it failed to sell the numbers. Sure it sold ok, and it was well received. However it's exclusivity has drastically tainted it's potential.
You can bet your ass both EA and Respawn are not happy. It was meant to be EA's COD, instead it's sold more akin to Resistance: Fall of Man, well received ... but not a console mover.
The best I can see you're going to get with Microsoft is some timed exclusive DLC crap, for an uglier game. Really worth it? Nope.
Cthulhu_Steev
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They've already had Shenmue 2, you can play that right now if you want.
The1stOfHisName
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Guy can certainly talk the talk. It remains to be seen what MS actually does to win back gamers though. All the pretty words and indie exclusives in the world won't make up for weaker tech and a poisonous attitude to third party apps.
I'd love to pick up an Xbox at done point down the line as it genuinely looks like a fun piece of kit, and if Spencer is actually a force for change within the company, then more power to him.
I'd love to pick up an Xbox at done point down the line as it genuinely looks like a fun piece of kit, and if Spencer is actually a force for change within the company, then more power to him.
Yeah if you ignore all the other games that's all they've got. Also Titafall "tanked"? Well ok then....
Alfred Saxon
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I got shenmue 1 & 2 on Dreamcast when they came out, But alot of gamers have never played them so why not re release them in HD/widescreen goodness. I would buy them again.
Titanfall didn't fail it possibly sold 2.1 million across X1,360 and PC not bad might have long legs. I have no legitimate source for those numbers.
Titanfall didn't fail it possibly sold 2.1 million across X1,360 and PC not bad might have long legs. I have no legitimate source for those numbers.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Yea..I get a feeling people just dont want to feel left out that so and sos game isnt on their console. Let it be for PS4 or something no would complain it isnt on X1.
Looks like we're up to that point in these kinds of threads.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Well can I not say that? If so Ill delete it.
boredandlazy
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For future reference, it's 'latter'.
That specifically? Doubt it. I just notice when Gaf is having a, uhm, "heated discussion" about systems, that kind a comment usually just pops up out of no where. Just an observation on my end.
The problem with buying exclusives is that I don't trust the game is exclusive. The IP can easily come to another platform. 360 had Mass Effect, Bioshock, Ninja Gaiden 2 and etc as exclusives. But with a bit of patience those games came to PS3. Games that were 100% exclusive were cool, but the problem of not owning he studio, they can make their next game elsewhere, for example Mistwalker games were 100% exclusive on 360, but Mistwalker is not part of Microsoft so they did not continue to work with 360. With the Xbox One it won't get as much exclusives as 360 simply due to the PS4 doing better than Xbox One. I actually expect games like TitanFall 2 and Dead Rising 4 will likely be multiplatform games. I think MS next big exclusive they will pay for is the rumoured Platinum games new IP, which will likely be cool but not enought for me to buy a Xbox One.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Well its not really out of no where..people tend to be for or against exclusive pending where its coming from. I mean KH3 and FFXV were announced multiplatform at E3 last year. Would anyone really care if the 2 ended up exclusive to playstation? I dont think anyone would to be honest. Its expected. Its only when it catches people off guard does this sort of thing causes a storm.
and what other games have they got then? didnt MS famously drop all support last gen? I didn't mention titanfall as it is new and from the sounds of it, will be multiplat next gen.
Miles Quaritch
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If you look at the release dates, it's not really surprising it launched exclusively on the 360 at the time. When the PS3 had finally finally released everywhere and it made financial sense to port it over, Capcom chose to do so. Not sure that's the best argument of a money hat.
It was exclusive by default, just as many PS4 titles will be exclusives by default due to MS not shipping out dev kits to some developers in a timely fashion. Bound by Flame being just one example where an X1 version doesn't exist because of the developer didn't have a dev kit.
Melchiah
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The XB1 hate is no different from the PS3 hate during the beginning of the last cycle. The companies reap what they sow. It just seems to me, not pointing at you though, that some of the fans are less capable of understanding and accepting it now.
As for exclusives, I have hard time to understand how exactly the 3rd party exclusives are good for the consumers. If games like Bioshock and REmake would have come to other platforms, without a year's delay or at all, more people could have played them. It's a highly different thing, if the publisher contributes on the making of the game, helping with the budget and/or development, like Sony did with Journey and Demon's Souls, and is now doing with Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, and Nintendo with Bayonetta 2. Those games wouldn't have been made without their contribution, or might have been very different with lesser resources.
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The PS3 was released in NA in November 2006, and EU in March 2007 though. So, why release it almost a year after the EU launch?
People wouldn't care because the over-whelming majority play it on Playstaton anyway. Same with MGS. Those franchises have been raised to be pseudo-exclusives where the first system you think of is Playstation whenever you hear their name.
When you get to the usually platform-agnostic devs/pubs like EA or Activision, that's a different story altogether.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Hmm? Well I guess it depends on one's definition of exclusive. An exclusive is an exclusive to me and this day and age. Maybe its cause I own all the consoles but I really dont care who get exclusive what.
Miles Quaritch
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Because that's when it made financial sense to port it over? Perhaps Capcom didn't get dev kits in time to have it ready for launch or within a reasonable time frame? There was talk at the time that Sony were doing what MS did this gen and weren't shipping out dev kits fast enough to developers. Not to mention the complicated development environment of the PS3 at the time.
It's not like a Mass Effect situation where MS owned the publishing rights and it took years before they reverted back to BW/EA.
freefornow
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At first I thought "opinions, yeah we all have them".
And then a quick check of post history made me want to rip my eye balls out of my sockets.
Melchiah
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Then again, it could be another case of a timed exclusive, which they had a plenty of last gen. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a solid data for pointing out which was the case with the early Capcom games of last gen.
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