brandonh83
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You definitely don't have to. I know it's one of the only Superman movies I found to be actually entertaining.
Warner Bros. Officially confirms "Justice League" to follow MoS Sequel
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You definitely don't have to. I know it's one of the only Superman movies I found to be actually entertaining.
Knowing the state of DC Comics right now...
Prepare for our savior known as Bruce Wayne.
BadAss2961
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I like the idea of him directing the Superman and Justice League movies. I would've loved to see him do at least one Batman, but it probably wont happen if he does end up directing all these movies.
Affleck makes the most sense to take Batman, and they could get other directors for Wonder Woman and the rest of the potential solo projects.
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I'm on board.
Ninja Scooter
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I remember how it was those solo Wolverine, Cyclops and Magneto moves that made XMen and X2 so good and coherent.
Anyway, it makes sense to leave Snyder in charge of this series but I hope we can get Affleck directing the solo Batman flicks.
How was Man of Steel fun? I'm talking outside of the finale. There is literally 0 fun to be found in Man of Steel. It's quite astounding how Synder managed to take a story about a boy discovering he's an alien with superpowers and make it not fun. Just shitty flashback sequences anytime modern-day Clark Kent is feeling blue.
BurnOutBrighter
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In terms of action scenes, yes it was entertaining. But the script, the score, the art direction, the cinematography, everything was executed with such heaviness. The only time I got that wide-eyed "comic book feel" was when Superman learned to fly. And there are dozens of moments like that all over the Batman, MCU, Spider-Man and X-Men films.
TheKaeptain
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"Those are different because they wore black"
That's a real quote from Tobor in the Avengers thread.
Let's look at it this way. Before the Avengers, Marvel gave Iron Man two movies, Thor one movie, Captain America one movie, and Hulk one movie. Black Widow and Hawkeye were pretty much developed in the Avengers movie (and arguably Hulk was as well since the events of The Incredible Hulk were largely ignored).
For WB, before Justice League, Superman will be around for two movies, Batman one movie, with every other character being developed in the Justice League movie. In all honesty, that's literally only one to two more characters that they have to develop than Marvel did for Avengers (assuming they go with six to seven characters). That's not that big of a deal.
brandonh83
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Opinions I suppose.
To me it was busy telling a story and building up to the Zod invasion. Then it came and was outrageously fun from then until the ending, which lasted a good while. Everything before that I still found to be good and enjoyable because I liked the characters and where everything was going.
Wonder Woman will also be in one film before JLA. Cyborg as well, though he'll probably just be Vic Stone in World's Finest.
I didn't count those because they are minor roles/cameo roles like Hawkeye and Black Widow in Thor and Iron Man 2 respectively.
So you want this to be a echo chamber of how great this is going to be? That's not how this works.
brandonh83
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I don't think anyone knows how it's going to be. This includes the cast and crew, let alone posters in a message board that don't know shit about it. That's kind of the point of his post. And it happens in nearly every thread about any film regardless of how much information-- or usually lack thereof-- there is.
My main concern with WB rushing towards a JL film within the same foundation building that Marvel applied for Avengers is not that audience members won't know "what" each character is supposed to be but "who" each character is supposed to be, as brought out by the combination of script, direction, and acting. It takes screentime to establish that, and helps explain why Avengers was successful despite the many flaws in that movie (having already firmly established 90% of the characters who appeared allowed them to cover a lot of ground and maintain a fast pace).
Even if the audience at large knows what Wonder Woman is, nobody is familiar with the demeanor, presence, interaction, verbal/body language, etc she will use/have.
And while Batman is well known as a concept, MOS2 is even going to have to reset people with a view of that character established via Nolan/Bale versus what Snyder/Affleck bring to the table.
That's not to say WB and co can't pull it off. But I think it is a more challenging problem than claiming the audience is already familiar with these characters suggests.
You're obviously new to gaf
Maninthemirror
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The mass audience pretty much already had been in many forms introduced to the flash, Wonder Woman has been in mass media and gp for years. Even aqua man is better known than iron man was
Yeah I'm starting to warm up to this approach too, has some potential if done right. If MoS2/World's Finest or whatever it's called does box office bank with all these little cameos and scenes sprinkled throughout, get the people interested in the characters and it sets up some interesting things for the solo movies afterwards.
I'm excited to see what WB has in store for us, giving them the benefit of the doubt on this one.
What? Black Widow was introduced and had a decent role in Iron Man 2 along with Rhodey/War Machine. Hawkeye was at least introduced in Thor but in reality he's the least important character in the Avengers lineup. I don't see the mass audiences really buying characters like Aquaman/Green Lantern/Martian Manhunter/Cyborg just showing up. A lot of this hinges on what exactly will be shown in Batman vs Superman, but WB/DC's efforts so far have been pretty crappy.
Different opinions indeed.
thecouncil
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Uh oh... everyone hated Hawkeye and Black Widow in Avengers.
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SlowRevolution
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yeah these might be awful, worst movies of all time, etc. but man these threads are getting hard to read.
brandonh83
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I would agree that the film isn't 2 hours of upbeat humor and snappy dialogue and a fun atmosphere, but I still had "fun" because I was into it and greatly enjoyed the action that did come later.
Early rumors indicated we might be getting a five member League for the first movie instead of the traditional seven. While I doubt that, I do think it would be a good way to assuage fears of the movie being "bloated" and allowing characters more screentime. The Trinity + Cyborg + Aquaman, GL, or Flash wouldn't be a bad team at all.
The clamoring for Widow to get her own movie that started almost immediately after Avengers would indicate that a large number of people at least liked her.
No. Enlighten me.
I'm curious as to why you think it won't work. You show the main 5 or 7 heroes battling it out with some badass villain. Give them each a shining moment. Audience members become intrigued in seeing more of a particular character and they go see a solo movie based on them later on.
None of the X-Men movies starting out had solo movies from the core members before they teamed up and those movies were pretty damn successful. Marvel is the only company who has done it like that so I'll never understand why their way is the only way people think it should be done.
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Hated is a strong word. They weren't as popular as the others, but they still had their chance to shine in a few scenes. Dat Hawkeye no look shot.
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Honstly all I want is a really good Booster Gold movie
I prefer more realistic and dark movies. I'm kinda over all the humor in the Marvel movies. I think Avengers handled the humor great but non of the others have. I liked MoS being more serious and thought it was ridiculous that it got bad reviews bc people didn't like how it didn't have humor like the original films.
brandonh83
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I like Black Widow more after how she was in Winter Soldier. Hawkeye unfortunately hasn't had such exposure but with Jeremy Renner playing the character I'm not expecting a lot.
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Schweinehund
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plz replace aquaman with shazam.
No one likes aquaman. Most people think he has lame powers, and his storylines usually involve him going to war with land dwellers.
No one likes aquaman. Most people think he has lame powers, and his storylines usually involve him going to war with land dwellers.
brandonh83
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Welcome to everything. =p
There's rumors that the Rock is playing him. He's confirmed that he met with DC and they agreed on a character that has never been done before.
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Put Aquaman in JLA so he can have a chance to win over the public with a new iteration; Give Shazam his own movie so that little kids across America can fall in love with him.
I suppose we have differing opinions on "decent roles". Black Widow in Iron Man 2 was throw away. Her actual development didn't occur until Avengers. But it is kind of crazy how similar the groundwork is between the two studios.
Pretty much if we wanted to compare and contrast Marvel and DC:
Superman = Iron Man
Batman = Captain America/Thor
Wonder Woman= Black Widow
Cyborg = Hawkeye
Green Lantern = Hulk
I equate Green Lantern with the Hulk since Green Lantern is pretty much a character who had his movie establish his power set, but on a narrative level will be completely ignored.
The worry that WB are not developing the characters with individual movies like Marvel isn't really a problem.
Guardians of the Galaxy will be doing something similar, with completely unknown characters to most people, and other films, X-men, Fantastic Four, Mystery Men, have all shown you can bring together a group of superhero's without buildup and make it work.
The issue for me, and I'm sure a few others, is that Snyder's body of work is uneven at best and he didn't exactly launch this shared universe with Man of Steel as successfully as Iron Man 1 did.
Giving him the keys to the entire Justice League roster as well as the next two major movies in this franchise feels like misplaced confidence... and honestly, it feels a little greedy.
Guardians of the Galaxy will be doing something similar, with completely unknown characters to most people, and other films, X-men, Fantastic Four, Mystery Men, have all shown you can bring together a group of superhero's without buildup and make it work.
The issue for me, and I'm sure a few others, is that Snyder's body of work is uneven at best and he didn't exactly launch this shared universe with Man of Steel as successfully as Iron Man 1 did.
Giving him the keys to the entire Justice League roster as well as the next two major movies in this franchise feels like misplaced confidence... and honestly, it feels a little greedy.
Schweinehund
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NIce, though I hope they go with an older billy new 52 style and no snyder plz.
brandonh83
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Hey Snyder isn't my favorite director and I was mostly in shock that I really enjoyed Man of Steel as I fucking loathed 300, Watchmen, Legend of the Guardian, and thus didn't even bother with Sucker Punch.
That being said, I'm a wait and see sort of person.
I always get aquaman confused with Sub-Mariner. They seem like almost the same person with different names. Then I remember Sub-Mariner used to kill people and did stuff.
I'm not gonna argue that it can't be done, but it is a different thing, is it not? These "X-Men or Watchmen didn't need it" arguments don't translate 1 to 1.
The X-Men have mostly been a team from the start, their stories, personalities and developments revolve around them being a team and interacting with one another. At some point it is pretty much arguing that the Fantastic Four don't need individual movies. Well, no shit they don't when you consider their origins and history.
Avengers and JL have worked differently, and have a different build up. There is some sense behind the idea that maybe some characters need more breathing room for this movie in particular. If the script is tight and well handled maybe it won't be a problem, but it is hardly the same case.
I really hope they do that. Aquaman needs to get out of that hate zone.
Maninthemirror
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Snyder is a film makers who usually follows the visual idea of the script to the letter which means he needs a good writer or a good script from a good writer
BadAss2961
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Aquaman's abilities are more interesting. His powers also bring variety to the League.
Shazam should get a solo movie though.
Put Aquaman in JLA so he can have a chance to win over the public with a new iteration; Give Shazam his own movie so that little kids across America can fall in love with him.
Yep
Buddha Beam
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The comparison to how Marvel did it is valid, I think. The Marvel movies and The Avengers in particular work on multiple levels. On its own, it's a good super hero action movie that does a reasonable job if explaining who is who.
At the same time, they work on a deeper level - most of the characters have an optional back story for you to check out in the form of previous solo movies. You have people like Nick Fury and Black Widow appearing in all the solo movies.
It works better for a series of movies based on comics. Comics are a form of media where, by and large, continuity has always been treasured and closely valued by the fans.
What WB/DC are doing is forsaking that route in favor of getting their Avengers movie up ASAP. At least, that's the perception. It's a reasonable one too. The upcoming World's Finest movie is now slated to have Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and now supposedly Aquaman and Cyborg, too? It feels like cutting corners. It's not really "universe building" if you're really just adding new characters in the sequels.
They need to announce some other movies or shorts between now and World's Finest or Justice League; Wonder Woman, Shazam or Aquaman. Make it official that Arrow (and Flash) are in-continuity. Do SOMETHING to give people that sense of continuity and universe building already.
Who cares if some of those movies don't light the world on fire? They'll pay off like like Captain America, Thor and Hulk did after their big team up movie.
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