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[BLACKLAC]

No matter what this will be a great experiment. I think this can work but the margins are much, much smaller. They really have to make this a great film on multiple levels, as even a mediocre film(and mediocre box-office ) that features all their heavy hitters will be a significant blow..

If this fails it proves that if you want to mimic The Avengers magic, the mind-share, the $$$. You better do it like The Avengers did it.

 

[BadAss2961]

Oh yeah, definitely. The fact that they got an actress whose most prominent role was Fast and the Furious bodes extremely well. But Black Widow, totally eye candy.

Well shit, at this point, F&F is pretty much The Rock and Vin Diesel's most prominent role as well.

 

[Cutebrute]

Since GL failed at his own movie and has an origin that is a little more wacky/cosmic than some of the other members, do you think he will even appear in this first Justice League film? It would take some time to set him up in this universe, since the 2011 didn't go anywhere or educate audiences on the character.

It's just a thought I've had. I do think he'll be there though.

 

[Blader]

Yes, Zack Snyder will direct Justice League. Yes it will shoot back to back. Likely release date: 2017. Likely announcement: Comic Con.

https://twitter.com/Borys_Kit

I'd link to the tweet itself but I don't know how :lol

 

[BadAss2961]

https://twitter.com/Borys_Kit

I'd link to the tweet itself but I don't know how :lol

 

[b&jy77VjiKn$#F]

https://twitter.com/Borys_Kit

I'd link to the tweet itself but I don't know how :lol

Holy Hack Snyder Batman!

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Shooting them back to back is a really smart move.

 

[unholyrevenger72]

I prefer more realistic and dark movies. I'm kinda over all the humor in the Marvel movies. I think Avengers handled the humor great but non of the others have. I liked MoS being more serious and thought it was ridiculous that it got bad reviews bc people didn't like how it didn't have humor like the original films.

It had humor. Remember when he impaled the big rig on the logs that unruly patron was hauling.

 

[ReiGun]

https://twitter.com/Borys_Kit

I'd link to the tweet itself but I don't know how :lol

Pretty much what I expected.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

I wonder how many movies they'll do simultaneously from now on.

It had humor. Remember when he impaled the big rig on the logs that unruly patron was hauling.

That made people sad though.

 

[b&jy77VjiKn$#F]

It had humor. Remember when he impaled the big rig on the logs that unruly patron was hauling.

This is true humor:

 

[Gleethor]

It'd be hilarious if they had Darkseid in Justice League a year before Thanos in Avengers 3, exposing him as the Darkseid ripoff he (sort of) is.

Spoiler

I like Thanos too though

 

[Father_Brain]

https://twitter.com/Borys_Kit

I'd link to the tweet itself but I don't know how :lol

If they're actually shooting back-to-back, that at least makes more strategic sense than what WSJ is reporting about the release date. I'll take that with a grain of salt for now, though.

 

[vinnygambini]

Atleast its not M. Night Shyamalan... right? Never forget... The Last Airbender

Spoiler

I thought the direction of Man of Steel was great but the script was lacking all together though

 

[Guy Legend]

Sounds like BvsS, Justice Leauge to establish the DC universe, then I'm guessing individual movies for the other characters after.

 

[ryan299]

If they decide to go with darkseid then he'll probably show up at the end of BvS if all the rumors of DC films ending with cliffhangers is true.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Sounds like BvsS, Justice Leauge to establish the DC universe, then I'm guessing individual movies for the other characters after.

Fine with me, its a better chance at Wonder Woman happening than the other way around.

 

[Femmeworth]

Shooting them back to back is a really smart move.

Assuming they actually have a finished script or one near completion by the time they start shooting for Justice League.

 

[mattiewheels]

After hearing Grant Morisson talk about Wonder Woman, I'm wondering what it would take to get it right in a movie version, since it seems there's a lot to work with. Is WB really scared that guys won't go see it? It seems like something that would attract more women than the average superhero movie and the guys would come if they got it right and also cast someone magnetic.

Wondering what the hesitation is since it has the potential to make tons of money. I'm guessing it's because WB just don't have the right guys thinking about it?

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

After hearing Grant Morisson talk about Wonder Woman, I'm wondering what it would take to get it right in a movie version, since it seems there's a lot to work with. Is WB really scared that guys won't go see it? It seems like something that would attract more women than the average superhero movie and the guys would come if they got it right and also cast someone magnetic.

Wondering what the hesitation is since it has the potential to make tons of money. I'm guessing it's because WB just don't have the right guys thinking about it?

Their last attemps were disasters so they haven't tried again yet, however stuff like Hunger Games and the Resident Evil movies are pushing for it recently.
Marvel is just as scared as they are.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Anyone know what the story is?

Anyone care?

No?

Status quo, then.

 

[ReiGun]

Their last attemps were disasters so they haven't tried again yet, however stuff like Hunger Games and the Resident Evil movies are pushing for it recently.
Marvel is just as scared as they are.

And before that, Supergirl.

While I understand WB's hesitation, as a fan, I wish they'd get over it already and get the ball rolling. The evidence mounts with each year that a good WW movie could be a goldmine for them, so I would hope that whoever the people are standing in the way of the greenlight are being worn down.

 

[Secret Fawful]

I'll see anything with Cyborg in it, which pisses me off because I don't want to watch this otherwise.

 

[BadAss2961]

Shooting them back to back is a really smart move.

Makes sense of them shooting all the way to December, which was quite a long time for just 1 film.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

It'd be hilarious if they had Darkseid in Justice League a year before Thanos in Avengers 3, exposing him as the Darkseid ripoff he (sort of) is.

Spoiler

I like Thanos too though

Thanos is a Metron inspired character.

 

[ReiGun]

Thanos is a Metron inspired character.

His design was inspired by Darkseid, tho, after his creator's editor rejected the original Metron-like look.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

His design was inspired by Darkseid, tho, after his creator's editor rejected the original Metron-like look.

his SIZE was , not his look, he's a bulked up Metron, chair and all.

 

[Cipherr]

Great, we're set to have another thread of the same people recycling the same tired arguments about how Marvel's way way of building the MCU is the ONLY way a quality team-up film can be made. So many are so convinced Man of Steel 2 is going to be shit because of rumored characters being cast. How about we give them the benefit of the doubt, no?

Me being convinced that SupxBat is going to be shit is based off of Man of Steel being shit. It has fuck all to do with Avengers, Thor or whatever the hell.

You guys need to stop with this crap. You don't get given the benefit of the doubt, you fucking earn it. And they have yet to do so.

It might work out, but coming from MoS it doesn't feel like a carefully laid out plan to do it like this, just a forced reaction.

Well it is. Surely by now we are all over that little bit of denial right? Avengers came through and did FAR to well in terms of money, and mindshare for the individual movies that followed it for the game not to be changed overnight. This is absolutely a forced reaction and thats why its appears so obviously rushed.

 

[The Giant]

Shooting back to back with superman vs batman. Well that explains wonder woman, cyborg etc getting cast.

 

[StoopKid]

https://twitter.com/Borys_Kit

I'd link to the tweet itself but I don't know how :lol

Damn 2016 and 2017 are gonna be packed for superhero movies.

 

[Tabby]

I must say, it's getting boring reading the same "lol Zack Snyder lol DC lol Man of Steel" comments.

I hope DC speeds up after Justice League.
Marvel has 2 films a year and DC has 1 film every 2 years.

 

[Mariolee]

Damn 2016 and 2017 are gonna be packed for superhero movies.

Remember a decade ago when it seemed like eventually the superhero genre would tire itself out and die someday?

Now we know that it is eternal, and there's no stopping it.

 

[ReiGun]

Me being convinced that SupxBat is going to be shit is based off of Man of Steel being shit. It has fuck all to do with Avengers, Thor or whatever the hell.

You guys need to stop with this crap. You don't get given the benefit of the doubt, you fucking earn it. And they have yet to do so.

Hey if you think the movie isn't going to be good because you didn't like Man of Steel, that's totally cool. You're entitled to that. But surely you see how it can get annoying for people who did enjoy MoS having every thread about it's sequel filled with people proclaiming it will be bad because "Marvel didn't do it that way!" while possessing no other information on the movie, yes?

I mean, that's a thing that happens in these thread. It happened in this one. It happened in the last two threads on this movie. The same arguments going round and around about how the movie "should" be done while no one has a single idea of what the story for this thing will be like.

 

[mattiewheels]

And before that, Supergirl.

While I understand WB's hesitation, as a fan, I wish they'd get over it already and get the ball rolling. The evidence mounts with each year that a good WW movie could be a goldmine for them, so I would hope that whoever the people are standing in the way of the greenlight are being worn down.

I feel like Whedon could make it work, but he seems exclusive to Marvel at the moment. They're obviously putting her in this BvsS movie, but is her mythos so problematic that she couldn't carry her own movie?

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Makes sense of them shooting all the way to December, which was quite a long time for just 1 film.

What releases during the holiday of 2016?
I had a weird thought when I remembered that rumor about WB ending DC movies on a cliff-hanger, what if Batman vs Superman released in May with "to be continued" with Justice League in December.
Not likely or probably smart but just a thought I had.

 

[Father_Brain]

That's fine, but why people believe now it won't really work is more due to the timing and less because "there is only one way to do it". That's why comparisons to X-Men and Watchmen are not apt. It might work out, but coming from MoS it doesn't feel like a carefully laid out plan to do it like this, just a forced reaction.

No, they were totally planning this for years. As proof, here's a list of Where's Waldo-size Easter eggs in MoS that namedrop various fictional corporations. Also, there's a minor character who has a similar name to Green Lantern's girlfriend, so they must be one and the same even if MoS couldn't spell her name right.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I'm down for this.

I wanna see how they pull this off.

 

[Mr.Swag]

I feel like the DC films are going for dark and epic while the Marvel films are going for fun and awesome.

I like this dichotomy in themes, and I feel like DC's hero's are more godly and epic than marvels, and their films should mirror that. More excited for JL than any marvel film.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I feel like Whedon could make it work, but he seems exclusive to Marvel at the moment. They're obviously putting her in this BvsS movie, but is her mythos so problematic that she couldn't carry her own movie?

Nothing about superheroes is that problematic. It really isn't.

Superheroes are just about some of the easiest things to like in pop culture. Superhero FANS are invested in the idea that it's somehow this complicated thing that needs all this lead-up and homework and preparation. But it isn't.

It's amazing how people in funky costumes punching each other is suddenly the fictional equivalent of scaling a mountain or running a marathon. When there's so much proof/evidence/history that says there's more than one way to portray a hero onscreen and have an audience buy in.

But people want to make it like it's some sort of ACHIEVEMENT to like superhero stories. Like it only gets rewarding after the ordeal of overcoming obstacles like "world-building" and "stage-setting" or whatever. Like if people weren't specifically fed the perfect formula, they'd reject it out of hand because of how silly/ridiculous it is.

It's the modern mutation of the weird nerd-shame that caused people to come up with "Graphic Novel" as a fabricated term to make comic books seem more palatable to booksellers.

If people gave half as much a shit about the STORIES as they did the branding and corporate strategy, we'd all probably be a lot better off.

 

[BadAss2961]

What releases during the holiday of 2016?
I had a weird thought when I remembered that rumor about WB ending DC movies on a cliff-hanger, what if Batman vs Superman released in May with "to be continued" with Justice League in December.
Not likely or probably smart but just a thought I had.

Who knows... I doubt Justice League would be a Winter release though.

 

[ReiGun]

I feel like Whedon could make it work, but he seems exclusive to Marvel at the moment. They're obviously putting her in this BvsS movie, but is her mythos so problematic that she couldn't carry her own movie?

It's not so much that her mythos is problematic. It's more that DC over the years has muddied the waters to the point that it's hard for some writers to find a narrative through-line for the character. Wonder Woman has had more shakeups than either Superman or Batman, some of them super drastic (look like 1960's mod-era Wonder Woman or the recent JMS take for examples). Even Whedon's take, from what I read about it, felt like it was just going to be him doing his own thing instead of actually dealing with the source material (he didn't even want to use her villains).

The only thing in the original mythos that, while it doesn't bother me, I can understand being tough for some people is her being born of clay. However, the MoS universe actually gives them a clever out if they want to take it. You could say that the Amazons found a Kryptonian drop ship hundreds of years ago and managed to use the birthing matrix inside to start having children again after they were exiled from man's world. No muss, no fuss. Other than that, there's nothing about Wonder Woman's mythos that's anymore outlandish than the average superhero, and the little details people get hung up on (the jet, the costume, etc) can be tinkered with to work.

 

[SargerusBR]

Marvel is just as scared as they are.

Scared? They are doing a GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY movie, a comic book not so popular even among most hardcore comic book readers. If anything they have plenty of balls. A Ms. Marvel movie is inevitable in Phase 3/Phase 4

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Who knows... I doubt Justice League would be a Winter release though.

Yeah just a weird thought I had, like them trying to match Marvel's 2 a year and at the same time and thrm filling the Hobbit winter slot.

Scared? They are doing a GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY movie, a comic book not so popular even among most hardcore comic book readers. If anything they have plenty of balls. A Ms. Marvel movie is inevitable in Phase 3/Phase 4

Doesn't change the fact that they have been too scared to do one with a female lead even 12 movies in.
Widow had solo potential but most of that is gone after Winter Soldier, Marvel might get a movie after what? 3 Iron Mans, 3 Captain Americas, probably 3 Thors, Hulk, Antman, freaking GotG, 2 Avengers

 

[ryan299]

No comic book movie is coming out during the Decembers of 2016,17, and 18. Those are taken by the Avatar sequels and it would be stupid to go anywhere near those movies.

 

[mattiewheels]

It's not so much that her mythos is problematic. It's more that DC over the years has muddied the waters to the point that it's hard for some writers to find a narrative through-line for the character. Wonder Woman has had more shakeups than either Superman or Batman, some of them super drastic (look like 1960's mod-era Wonder Woman or the recent JMS take for examples). Even Whedon's take, from what I read about it, felt like it was just going to be him doing his own thing instead of actually dealing with the source material (he didn't even want to use her villains).

Right on. When Morrison was talking about what he was doing with her, he seemed to be fascinated by the original stories, the subtext of the character and the risky nature that they had before it got sterilized in the 50s. It makes me wonder why the studios don't ask for story help from guys like him that could deliver something pretty rich and interesting when they know the masses are into good comic movies nowadays. I feel like it's time to cash the Avengers check by letting these brilliant comic writers have a go.

 

[Dram]

So the villain for Justice League will probably be Darkseid right?

 

[ReiGun]

Right on. When Morrison was talking about what he was doing with her, he seemed to be fascinated by the original stories, the subtext of the character and the risky nature that they had before it got sterilized in the 50s. It makes me wonder why the studios don't ask for story help from guys like him that could deliver something pretty rich and interesting when they know the masses are into good comic movies nowadays. I feel like it's time to cash the Avengers check by letting these brilliant comic writers have a go.

WB Studios have this weird thing about not going to the comic writers for help crafting stories for films. When Kevin Smith was working on Superman, he suggested they get the dudes that were writing Superman at the time to make a script for them and they were like "...eh..."

With Wonder Woman in particular, I don't know if I'd throw him in the ring of people WB should go to since his story hasn't actually come out and he's admitted that he's had trouble with the character in the past. But people like George Perez, Greg Rucka, Phil Jimenez, or Gail Simone? Yeah, they wouldn't be bad to talk to. In fact, Simone has mentioned on Twitter she's been involved in talks about different WW projects. Not revealing whether a live movie was one of those projects or not, of course.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I feel like the DC films are going for dark and epic while the Marvel films are going for fun and awesome.

I like this dichotomy in themes, and I feel like DC's hero's are more godly and epic than marvels, and their films should mirror that. More excited for JL than any marvel film.

I kinda agree with this, but I feel like it's not done with as deft a hand as the Marvel stuff.

I hope they knock it out of the part with B v S.

 

[Blablurn]

Let's do this

 

[Marion Cobretti]

So the villain for Justice League will probably be Darkseid right?

I'm guessing Justice League 2 at the earliest.