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Ukraine/Russia conflict NEWS thread - Updates on the Ukrainian crisis.
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Resident_UA
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It was only gone for few months or so, so technically it's not a big deal. I don't see how it's going to help the army which is not financed well at all....
Partial Gamification
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I couldn't find the original release from AFP, and don't know how recent this is. It is more up-to-date than one published by AFP on April 19, both can be found here:
http://www.japantoday.com/category/...ombat-alert-as-pro-russian-rebels-gain-ground
edit: Yesterday, https://twitter.com/AFP/status/461451978951110656
Napoleonthechimp
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So Putin is now "suggesting" that Ukrainian troops withdraw from the southeast region? If you can't officially send in troops then why not just covertly stir up shit until you get your way.
I think even my Russian step-mother may be thinking unpatriotic thoughts at this point.
I think even my Russian step-mother may be thinking unpatriotic thoughts at this point.
Resident_UA
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Soon she won't be allowed to have unpatriotic thoughts. Everything will be back like it was during USSR.
I don't know if people realize, but during Soviet Union things were kind of crazy. There's a reason why Western Ukraine is so anti-Russian. During 70s my mom was not allowed to go to church on Easter. The teachers were instructed to stand next to the entrance to the church to make sure that their students are not there.
Resident_UA
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Today's rally. Guess where this is from? 
SPOILER:
SPOILER:
St Petersburg, Russia
It's unfortunate but the writing has been on the wall for a while now. Russia will get their way in eastern Ukraine. Western response has been too tepid and fractured to really change the outcome of this chess match. Whether the region is annexed or is simply given more autonomy the endgame will likely be the same.
Delta Assault
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This is like the weirdest, most effective slow ass invasion of a country ever.
Resident_UA
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Yup. Pretty good article below.
Vladimir Putin demands Ukraine withdraw troops from Ukraine
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/vladimir-putin-demands-ukraine-withdraw-troops-from-troubled-eastern-regions/2014/05/01/37912286-d132-11e3-9e25-188ebe1fa93b_story.html?hpid=z1
So, outside of actual fighting, what are the possible out-comes here? Eastern Ukraine gets broken off and absorbed into Russia? Or Ukraine gets split down the middle, Cold War-style into East and West? It's pretty obvious at this point that, short of military intervention by NATO, Russia is just going to keep it up until eastern Ukraine more or less belongs to The Great Leader.
Today's rally. Guess where this is from?
SPOILER:St Petersburg, Russia
That's probably Putin's little Nazi youth group. I can't remember what they're called.
Gemüsepizza
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Today's rally. Guess where this is from?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmiWlzaIEAAsuCX.jpg:large[IMG]
SPOILER: [SPOILER]St Petersburg, Russia[/SPOILER][/QUOTE]
There were also Nazi rallies today in several German cities:
[QUOTE][IMG]http://abload.de/img/1198770872q2yt8.jpg
But how is this connected to the conflict in Ukraine?
fuck Putin
Napoleonthechimp
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I remember my Russian step-mother said that Crimea has always belonged to Russia and that Putin only wanted to help the people there (because they were being abused and mistreated by Ukrainians - which turned out to be a complete fabrication). Also, that Russia would never make moves into Ukraine.
It's amazing what control of the media can do. We have skepticism of reports even though we're subject to propaganda as well (just not on that level) but it's key to remember a lot of these people were alive during the Soviet Union and are still under those same mindsets in a lot of ways. Just because it's not the Soviet Union anymore doesn't mean the effects it had on its people is all gone.
I just don't understand what he's trying to accomplish since this only pushed more countries away from Russia.
Just because the name was lost doesn't mean the ideals were and now it's a fight between the old Russians and the moderate ones that don't want to go back to those days. This doesn't mean other nations are perfect as I've said before (just restating it before it goes back to that topic) but Russia has never recovered from the Soviet Union and Putin has always been suspicious to me. It's just that his true colors are finally exposed to the rest of the world who were trying to convince themselves everything was fine now and that there's no need for defenses.
The fuck is up with those pro-russian mobs and making people kneel all the time? That is really disturbing.
In other worlds; "Ukraine, your not allowed to have an army in your own country."
This is going to blow up pretty quickly. I do expect Ukraine to use proper force if things get really bad this time around.
Oh boy, this is definitely not going to help the situation at all.
Reuters is reporting a large scale operation beginning. Practice operations the other night make sense now. They were practicing storming buildings etc. At this point Ukraine is damned if they do and damned if they don't. Russia is not going to back down.
Edit: Photograph of helicopter shot down is from Chechnya.
Delta Assault
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Not surprised. That youtube video of that guy driving past 75 APCs... they were going somewhere.
I do suppose a third choice would be to surround the city and cut it off completely from everything, until the Russians/paid military (or whatever they are) give up.
Honestly speaking we had no guarantee they would had lived anyway.
I doubt its going as far as The Government is saying. footage coming out of Slovyansk doesn't line up with the reports.
Kyiv needs to ball up and either go all in or go home. These checkpoint pop shots do nothing but recruit more Russians to come over the border.
Radio Channel the separatists were using was full of requests for vehicles to head out to the border to pick up people from Russia wanting to come defend.
Kyiv needs to ball up and either go all in or go home. These checkpoint pop shots do nothing but recruit more Russians to come over the border.
Radio Channel the separatists were using was full of requests for vehicles to head out to the border to pick up people from Russia wanting to come defend.
Videos of Ukrainian helos in action. Maybe just the crash you guys talked about above? You can see something hit it in the first video.
http://youtu.be/4-iwxBdS8Cw
http://youtu.be/NNqYBZFOwok
http://youtu.be/4-iwxBdS8Cw
http://youtu.be/NNqYBZFOwok
TacticalFox88
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Yeah, okay. We all know how that's going to end.
Yeah, okay. We all know how that's going to end.
NATO is ratcheting up the rhetoric a ton. 2nd in command of NATO came straight out and said if Russia wants to view NATO as an adversary its time for NATO to look at Russia as an adversary again and no more cooperation or gestures to work together.
Edit: showing up on twitter fresh explosions and gunfire in center of Slavyansk now. Perhaps Military is finally going beyond checkpoint skirmishes. Separatists radio channel calling on women and children to rush to town center to form shield
Thats just not cool in the least bit. I mean...I guess its a strategy of sorts, but that really shouldnt sit right with any organization, no matter where their loyalties lie.
I'm really curious to know what kind of woman hears that and just grabs her children to rush in front of the tanks and in the middle of the firefight.
- We are ready to defend the sovereignty and freedom of Russia's neighbors, which clearly is trying to rebuild its hegemony in the region and to limit their sovereignty under the pretext of defending their interests - says the Deputy Secretary General of NATO.
http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,114912,15887011.html#MT
I don't want to find out. Perhaps these people should be deported; they obviously don't want to live in Ukraine; send 'em away to Russia. Make their dream come true.
Russia now stating Ukrainian action has killed "last hope" for Geneva Agreement.
It must be something else to live on the other side of this and be one of the people who can see a report about"peaceful unarmed citizens" shooting down helicopters with Missile launchers etc and still be able to believe the whole "unarmed civilian" thing.
It must be something else to live on the other side of this and be one of the people who can see a report about"peaceful unarmed citizens" shooting down helicopters with Missile launchers etc and still be able to believe the whole "unarmed civilian" thing.
Napoleonthechimp
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Russia: Apparently it is everyone's fault but their own. In reality...
Sinfamy
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I watched all 31 dispatches available so far on Vice.
I am really surprised and impressed with the level of humanity the Ukrainian military forces have had so far. Although some may be quick to call them cowards and even traitors (to those who switched sides), I can understand and see why they did not really try to pose a threat.
Watching armed militia and civilians raiding police stations and military bases and the soldiers and police officers not killing or wounding the people is an amazing sight to see, whether or not you agree with what is happening.
Could you imagine if that happened in the U.S.? There would be a massacre, civilian or not, everyone there would be dead if they didn't listen to the warnings.
I am really surprised and impressed with the level of humanity the Ukrainian military forces have had so far. Although some may be quick to call them cowards and even traitors (to those who switched sides), I can understand and see why they did not really try to pose a threat.
Watching armed militia and civilians raiding police stations and military bases and the soldiers and police officers not killing or wounding the people is an amazing sight to see, whether or not you agree with what is happening.
Could you imagine if that happened in the U.S.? There would be a massacre, civilian or not, everyone there would be dead if they didn't listen to the warnings.
Several more journalists have been kidnapped. Apparently another American. Mike Giglio from Buzzfeed is one of them. He has been a consistent source of news online from on the ground.
Swedens Foreign Minister is an entertaining guy
New Updates:
CBS News and buzzfeed crews now released.
One of our crew was beaten but we are all ok. Thanks for concern
Separatist Leader in Horlivka refusing to take command from Strelkov in Slavyansk. Instead trying to flee the city.
Government issues chance to surrender
Swedens Foreign Minister is an entertaining guy
New Updates:
CBS News and buzzfeed crews now released.
@clarissaward 8m
One of our crew was beaten but we are all ok. Thanks for concern
Separatist Leader in Horlivka refusing to take command from Strelkov in Slavyansk. Instead trying to flee the city.
Government issues chance to surrender
Apparently surprisingly well now.
Luhansk Separatists have surrendered and left the buildings they seized 2 days ago.
Slavyansk is said to be almost fully under Ukrainian control again though there is still some dangers as Separatists have apparently placed land mines etc in city.
After the call for human shields was intercepted and reported on the "Mayor" issued an order calling for civilians to go home and stay home.
4 Men were detained in Slavyansk who had int heir possession the kind of rocket launchers used to take down 2 helicopters today. Assumption is thy were the gunmen
Apparently Odessa is in chaos: http://anti-maidan.com/?p=streams&sid=Kvant&attempt=1 -- large scale clashes between pro and anti-Maidan protesters.
ambientmystic
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I'm amazed they actually had the hardware and the training to take down the Ukrainian choppers.
Thanks for the updates antonz.
Thanks for the updates antonz.
jakonovski
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Not really, as they are/were sitting on top of giant Soviet era stockpiles. Once you have the hardware, it's not hard to find people who are trained in the use of MANPADS during their military service.
The real surprise today is just how little russia has said. Rather surprisingly the only thing they did was ask the OSCE to talk to the Ukrainians to stop. I have a sneaky feeling that the russians actually want the loony "mayor" out of the way. He's been very bad for their image.
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