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[phxxBullet]

This is like the weirdest, most effective slow ass invasion of a country ever.

And it works. I now it's not fun at all, but somehow it makes me laugh. That's because in the past months, you could see how they went further and further, step by step, and it worked out just fine.

If Ukraine is split, I hope Russia installs another anti-fascist protection rampart to protect the good people in the east from fascists as it did so succesfully in Cold War Berlin.

Fuck no! I was/would've been on the east side of that shit back in the '60s. They shoulda place it somewhere near the borders of Austria, like Czech Republic - Slovakia - Hungary. Would add the nice effect that maybe there would be less immigrants, we already have enough of them which can't even talk our language and won't work, but get money from the state.

So, outside of actual fighting, what are the possible out-comes here? Eastern Ukraine gets broken off and absorbed into Russia? Or Ukraine gets split down the middle, Cold War-style into East and West? It's pretty obvious at this point that, short of military intervention by NATO, Russia is just going to keep it up until eastern Ukraine more or less belongs to The Great Leader™.

I bet this. Russia won't back off now that they are so far. EU won't want a war.
And the US is just adding fuel to the fire, as Russia is BY FAR not as important to them as it is to the EU.

 

[Yamauchi]

Better quality Odessa stream from the pro-Maidan side: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQEhZZWrEHk

Edit: The stream is NSFW by the way. I have seen two people on the ground who look as though they are either clinging to life or dead. Then at another point they were beating a man to a pulp while a couple of onlookers say they shouldn't act like beasts. Then he looked like he died. They attacked police cars (why are pro-Maidan protesters attacking police cars?). Crazy.

 

[Simplet]

Better quality Odessa stream from the pro-Maidan side: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQEhZZWrEHk

I have no idea what's going on here, people with ukrainian flags are attacking some kind of riot police? Or is that the pro-russian side? They're pretty damn organized if so.

 

[antonz]

I have no idea what's going on here, people with ukrainian flags are attacking some kind of riot police? Or is that the pro-russian side? They're pretty damn organized if so.

APro-Unity March was planned for today then several hundred Pro-Russians came in and started attacking. Now we are seeing the Pro-Russians hiding behind the shields huddled up because Pro-Ukrainian forces have charged in with large numbers

 

[CrunchyB]

It's sad, but the death of the helicopter crew is one of the best things that happened to Ukraine lately. This is far preferable to people disappearing or dying in anonymous riots because it emphasis the fact that the separatists are not your run of the mill "non-violent" protesters. No sane person can blame the government for taking this very seriously.

I wonder what Putin would do if some guy from Ukraine were to shoot down a Russian helicopter, in Russia. Probably declare war to the entire country.

 

[Yamauchi]

I have no idea what's going on here, people with ukrainian flags are attacking some kind of riot police? Or is that the pro-russian side? They're pretty damn organized if so.

That is the pro-Maidan side. I believe they are angry with the police because the police tried to break up the two sides and keep them from fighting, that is why you see them attacking police cars.

But I don't think those are riot police. Those are pro-Russian protesters I think.

 

[GTP_Daverytimes]

APro-Unity March was planned for today then several hundred Pro-Russians came in and started attacking. Now we are seeing the Pro-Russians hiding behind the shields huddled up because Pro-Ukrainian forces have charged in with large numbers

Good to know both sides are equal dicks.

 

[Simplet]

Wonder if they'll make them "kneel" or if that's just a russian fetish.

 

[antonz]

Good to know both sides are equal dicks.

True but over the course of the last 2 months pro ukraine rallies have consistently been faced with beatings etc while police do nothing.

Eventually the people have enough.

1 Fatality confirmed so far.Pro-Ukrainian Marcher shot in the head

@myroslavapetsa 5m
A pro-#Ukraine supporter was killed in #Odessa. Reports suggest a football fan was shot in his head.

Reports are 3 dead now all have been shot

 

[Sviatoslav]

Russia has called an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council.

 

[Nikodemos]

Russia has called an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council.

Wonder what fabricated bullshit fresh evidence for Ukrainian misbehaviour are they going to present this time around.

 

[empty vessel]

Kiev authorities launched their military attack on Ukranians in Slaviansk apparently without any regard for the fact that Russia had sent an envoy to the city to try to negotiate for the release of the military observers. By refusing to negotiate with eastern Ukrainians and insisting on using military force in population centers, the Kiev authorities are acting very recklessly.

 

[pulsemyne]

Russia has called an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council.

I don't why they do this. They gave been humiliated the last few times. The same will happen this time.

 

[Sviatoslav]

I don't why they do this. They gave been humiliated the last few times. The same will happen this time.

Churkin has a troll quota that he needs to meet for the year and he's behind.

 

[marrec]

I don't why they do this. They gave been humiliated the last few times. The same will happen this time.

The Ukrainian move on the Pro-Russian terrorists has given them an opportunity to move forces into Eastern Ukraine but in order to give an air of legitimacy they will first approach the UN.

When the UN inevitably laughs them out of the building they will say that they are left with no choice but to invade Eastern Ukraine without UN support in order to protect ethnic Russians.

 

[Simplet]

Kiev authorities launched their military attack on Ukranians in Slaviansk apparently without any regard for the fact that Russia had sent an envoy to the city to try to negotiate for the release of the military observers. By refusing to negotiate with eastern Ukrainians and insisting on using military force in population centers, the Kiev authorities are acting very recklessly.

Looks like a good move to me. Russia didn't do shit, if they're going to the UN over this they must really be desperate. Raised the morale of the ukrainian "patriots" who looked like they were giving up after getting beaten up in the streets for months. And if they can get their hands on that piece of shit in Slovyansk, that's just a bonus.

 

[pulsemyne]

The Ukrainian move on the Pro-Russian terrorists has given them an opportunity to move forces into Eastern Ukraine but in order to give an air of legitimacy they will first approach the UN.

When the UN inevitably laughs them out of the building they will say that they are left with no choice but to invade Eastern Ukraine without UN support in order to protect ethnic Russians.

It's more a case of trying to push western governments to get the operations in the east stopped so the russians can continue with their salami tactics. All the russians are going to say is "we urge western governments to pressure the illegal ukrainian government to cease their operations" and then dish out some veiled threats.
Also the ukrainian ambassador to NATO told them not to get involved at all as they can take care of things. Not like NATO was going to get involved anyway.

 

[TheJollyCorner]

man... in this stream this big red fire/emergency (?) truck is just rolling through a barricade.

 

[marrec]

It's more a case of trying to push western governments to get the operations in the east stopped so the russians can continue with their salami tactics. All the russians are going to say is "we urge western governments to pressure the illegal ukrainian government to cease their operations" and then dish out some veiled threats.
Also the ukrainian ambassador to NATO told them not to get involved at all as they can take care of things. Not like NATO was going to get involved anyway.

Good point, my scenario is pretty much worst case while yours seems much more likely.

If Russia really wants to move (more) forces into Ukraine then this would be the opportunity they've been waiting for though.

 

[empty vessel]

man... in this stream this big red fire/emergency (?) truck is just rolling through a barricade.

It was apparently hijacked.

 

[pulsemyne]

The Ukrainian move on the Pro-Russian terrorists has given them an opportunity to move forces into Eastern Ukraine but in order to give an air of legitimacy they will first approach the UN.

When the UN inevitably laughs them out of the building they will say that they are left with no choice but to invade Eastern Ukraine without UN support in order to protect ethnic Russians.

Under international law (which the russians seem to love quoting) there is no basis, at all, for invasion. The local population is not under threat from the army or the government. If the russians want to pull that one on the UNSC then all they will reply with is Syria.
I do wonder if the russians will request that this be a closed session of the UNSC like they tried last time.

 

[pulsemyne]

Oh and as for Odessa. That isn't just about the current political situation. It's also about rival football fans beating the crap out of each other. They do love their hooliganism over there.

 

[empty vessel]

It's more a case of trying to push western governments to get the operations in the east stopped so the russians can continue with their salami tactics. All the russians are going to say is "we urge western governments to pressure the illegal ukrainian government to cease their operations" and then dish out some veiled threats.

The Russians have incessantly been calling on Kiev and the east to negotiate a political solution. The US has not. Hence the continued attacks by Kiev on eastern Ukrainians. The US has far more influence on Kiev authorities than Russia does on pro-autonomy militants, and it should be insisting on a political solution.

 

[LiK]

"@AP: BREAKING: Ukraine's president claims 'many' pro-Russia insurgents killed, wounded in Slovyansk."

 

[Mr. RHC]

This stream is the real deal, looked like the streamer caught guys up close shooting from the roof... with a sling too..

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/o1odessa

 

[Simplet]

The Russians have incessantly been calling on Kiev and the east to negotiate a political solution. The US has not. Hence the continued attacks by Kiev on eastern Ukrainians. The US has far more influence on Kiev authorities than Russia does on pro-autonomy militants, and it should be insisting on a political solution.

Seems a bit late for that now. Whatever happens, the ukrainian side will probably try to clean up Slovyansk before doing any negotiations. They seem to have the upper hand there, and really why would they let those people go? If they're not terrorists they're at least war criminals.

 

[pulsemyne]

"@AP: BREAKING: Ukraine's president claims 'many' pro-Russia insurgents killed, wounded in Slovyansk."

If that is the case then we shall now see if Russia will invade. They have something that they can sell to their people.

 

[TacticalFox88]

MOSCOW — The Kremlin on Friday called a major Ukrainian military effort to clear pro-Russian separatists out of the country’s occupied eastern cities “criminal” and said that President Vladimir Putin was being kept informed about the violence unfolding there as the conflict appeared to enter a dangerous new phase.

Welp.

 

[pulsemyne]

That's actually a very tame statement by the Russians.

 

[Pedrito]

I bet Moscow is delighted by these new developments. Everything going according to plan.

 

[Simplet]

You don't "clean up" a city full of civilians with attack helicopters and tanks. This is not a video game. Have you any idea what kind of bullshit you just wrote?

Sure you can, just watch them do it.

I bet Moscow is delighted by these new developments. Everything going according to plan.

Really? I don't understand how.

 

[pulsemyne]

The separatists have said that 3 pro russians and 2 civilians have died.

 

[Simplet]

How old are you? 14? Please never use the word "war criminal" again.

What? I have no idea what you're trying to say.

 

[Engell]

You don't "clean up" a city full of civilians with attack helicopters and tanks. This is not a video game. Have you any idea what kind of bullshit you just wrote?

No they used attack helicopters to help clear the road blocks with fortified pro-russians soldiers who was armed with assault rifles and rockets.

 

[Nilaul]

"@AP: BREAKING: Ukraine's president claims 'many' pro-Russia insurgents killed, wounded in Slovyansk."

Serves them right.

 

[Oriel]

Sure you can, just watch them do it.



Really? I don't understand how.

Escalation provides an excuse for Russian forces to begin crossing into Ukraine, for "humanitarian" of course. The exact same occurred in Georgia when after months of provocation and low level terrorism the Georgian military finally had enough and started shelling separatist positions in South Ossetia, conveniently providing Russia with justification to invade the country.

In a series of tweets a Guardian correspondent put it like this:

1) There is every possibility Russia will invade. The crunch moment will come after the separatist "referendum"on May 11, and before May 25

— Luke Harding (@lukeharding1968) May 2, 2014

Scenario goes like this: "Donetsk People's Republic" proclaims itself legitimate power in east and invites in Russian "peacekeepers"

— Luke Harding (@lukeharding1968) May 2, 2014

#Moscow says it is obliged to defend this new, young state from "fascist aggressors" in Kyiv

— Luke Harding (@lukeharding1968) May 2, 2014

2) Russian invasion more likely because armed hardline separatists enjoy only marginal support in east

— Luke Harding (@lukeharding1968) May 2, 2014

There's deep resentment of Kyiv, and strong pro-Russia mood. But majority wants autonomy or federalisation within Ukraine, not secession

— Luke Harding (@lukeharding1968) May 2, 2014

3) it will be impossible to hold presidential elections on May 25 in much of the east, esp Donetsk and Luhansk provinces

— Luke Harding (@lukeharding1968) May 2, 2014

We're already in a situation of mob rule, where showing Ukrainian flag risks beating or worse. So electoral process can't function here

— Luke Harding (@lukeharding1968) May 2, 2014

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...orces-claim-assault-on-slavyansk-live-updates

 

[Pedrito]

Really? I don't understand how.

Now they can really say Russians are in danger in eastern Ukraine. There's a body count.

 

[Oriel]

Many pro-Russia rebels have been killed, injured and arrested in the Ukrainian government offensive in the eastern city of Sloviansk, acting President Oleksandr Turchynov has said.

But, in a statement, he said the operation in the rebel-held city was not going as quickly as hoped.

Rebels earlier shot down two Ukrainian army helicopters, killing a pilot and a serviceman.

Russia has called for an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27259614

Can't really have too sympathy for the deceased and their families TBH. Don't be expecting miranda rights and due process when you're waving around a SAM and heavy caliber machine guns.

 

[Simplet]

Escalation provides an excuse for Russian forces to begin crossing into Ukraine, for "humanitarian" of course. The exact same occurred in Georgia when after months of provocation and low level terrorism the Georgian military finally had enough and started shelling separatist positions in South Ossetia, conveniently providing Russia with justification to invade the country.

In a series of tweets a Guardian correspondent put it like this:http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...orces-claim-assault-on-slavyansk-live-updates

Well I get that, but the only "local administration" that could have called for russian help is currently getting destroyed, and the army will potentially bring back some degree of order. This would have been a good excuse for Russia to reply immediately with an invasion, but they didn't. With the build-up of forces by the Ukrainian, if they do invade they'll have a fight on their hands.

 

[Simplet]

The Ukranian forces modified a medical truck with a Flak. If they use this thing inside a city it will not only be a violation of the Hague Convention respecting the war on land, it will kill everything in its way. The pro-Russian forces are not using any form of air force.

They went full-retard.

They obviously won't though, so there is no point discussing how terrible it would be if they did.

edit : shit I wanted to edit that in sorry

 

[Oriel]

The Ukranian forces modified a medical truck with a Flak. If they use this thing inside a city it will not only be a violation of the Hague Convention respecting the war on land, it will kill everything in its way. The pro-Russian forces are not using any form of air force.

They went full-retard.

source

That AA gun is probably in case their neighbour to the east decides it wants to lend a MiG or 10 to the insurrectionists.

Well I get that, but the only "local administration" that could have called for russian help is currently getting destroyed, and the army will potentially bring back some degree of order. This would have been a good excuse for Russia to reply immediately with an invasion, but they didn't. With the build-up of forces by the Ukrainian, if they do invade they'll have a fight on their hands.

Russia is probably hoping the Ukrainians will fall back like they did two weeks ago when they lost APC's and troops to the insurrectionists. They're biding their time.

 

[Simplet]

Yeah, they modified the truck for the lulz, right?

Let's just say this : if the ukrainian military starts mowing down civilians with heavy weapons, you can come back to this thread and say "I told you so!", how does that sounds?

 

[Oriel]

Pro-Ukrainian defenders prepare Molotov's for battle with Pro Russian insurrectionists:

 

[Partial Gamification]

Its up, Security Council on Ukraine.
http://webtv.un.org/

 

[Sviatoslav]

Escalation provides an excuse for Russian forces to begin crossing into Ukraine, for "humanitarian" of course. The exact same occurred in Georgia when after months of provocation and low level terrorism the Georgian military finally had enough and started shelling separatist positions in South Ossetia, conveniently providing Russia with justification to invade the country.

I'm sorry but what? The shelling of Tskhinvali was a cowardly and disgusting act by Saakashvilli. Convenient is hardly the word to use to describe it.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

Escalation provides an excuse for Russian forces to begin crossing into Ukraine, for "humanitarian" of course. The exact same occurred in Georgia when after months of provocation and low level terrorism the Georgian military finally had enough and started shelling separatist positions in South Ossetia, conveniently providing Russia with justification to invade the country.

In a series of tweets a Guardian correspondent put it like this:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...orces-claim-assault-on-slavyansk-live-updates

Plenty of countries hold elections during civil unrest. Iraq just held one.

Seems like an excuse to extend the unelected EU directed self-coup.

Won't be surprising at all if the pro democracy non violent Euromaiden ends in a Thermidorian reaction of dictatorship and military violence against any opposition.

 

[pulsemyne]

Security council is on. Secretary general blamed the militias for what is going on. Bit of a slap in the face for moscow.

 

[Simplet]

French ambassador is not fucking around

 

[marrec]

French ambassador is not fucking around

French ambassador was obviously totally exasperated with this shit.

 

[pulsemyne]

As expected all Russia did was bitch and moan a bit. Everyone else is bitch smacking them. I laughed at the French calling it "A bad james bond novel".