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[Dawg]

I don't even understand why people think the screenshots are the biggest evidence of this thing being real. Sure, they look more real than the average leak but it's not these shots that make me think this is legit. These days, there are always people with too much time who can make something that looks legit. That said...

The most important evidence to me are DemonNite's posts from a while ago. Those subtle mentions of Beast in multiple posts of his.

Why would he go out of his way to do that? Nobody gave a shit when he said that back in the day. Only now with the leak people see a connection with the project name. If all of this is fake, the leaker had to be someone who knew people would make a connection with the "fake" reveal and those posts from DemonNite... it would have to be a master ruseman.

And that still wouldn't explain why DemonNite would have made those posts in the first place. It wasn't even a single post. In every post, he clearly gave us a hint that would only make sense after the project's name would be announced.

I'm going to guess he didn't expect a leak this soon. Could be wrong, leaks tend to happen a lot in this industry. Maybe that's why he is so quiet now, awaiting the E3 reveal until he posts again. No idea.

If we only had the screenshots, I'd still doubt if this is legit. But together with DemonNite? I'm pretty damn sure now. Not 100% though. Wanna know why?

Spoiler

There's always a chance DemonNite is the leaker and he made all of this footage during his spare time at work!

 

[a secret-boss]

Still struggling to believe this. How the fuck did Sony pull this off? Where will the Soul's series go from here?

where Dark Souls and Demon Souls franchise go

 

[NEO0MJ]

Thread was made like a day ago. Insane. I don't think I've seen a thread explode so quickly.

The Bayonetta 2 thread where it was revealed that the game was for the Wii U also moved really fast, though I think this will keep going for longer due to the fact that it's leaked news, which resulted in a lot of speculation.

 

[JumpJeff84]

I've been meaning to get a PS4, but haven't really felt the urgency due to no killer app.

This could be the one

 

[Bunta]

Regarding the discussion about it being a mod, that was my first thought as well.

Now as to why some insiders like Verendus and BruceLeeRoy confirmed it, it could be simply chalked to the fact that they only heard the code name "Project Beast" which definitely is some real deal, but never saw the game in action until these screens. So once they saw it being leaked, they confirmed its existence.

Of course, this being an actual mod seems far fetched for sure.

Verendus already said the screens look like captures from a couple of months ago, based on faint memory.

Next Resident Evil looks very different than this, I'm sure.

This leak is essentially real. From faint memory, this looks like captures from something a couple months ago, and the working title is correct also. Why on a Saturday I'm confused.

 

[Ferr986]

Still struggling to believe this. How the fuck did Sony pull this off? Where will the Soul's series go from here?

It could be a totally new IP, inspired by the Souls series. From can continue with the Soul series being multiplatform.

 

[LilWayneSuckz]

Still struggling to believe this. How the fuck did Sony pull this off? Where will the Soul's series go from here?

You do realize that the engine that runs Demon's Souls, Dark Souls and Dark Souls 2 was created by Sony?

It's not hard to believe that Sony would continue their relationship with From

This game does not mean that the Dark Souls series stops existing. Anyone who has played all three games knows that the mechanics and world of Demon's Souls and Dark Souls are pretty different.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Still struggling to believe this. How the fuck did Sony pull this off? Where will the Soul's series go from here?

Why are people so surprised?

You know there was this one little game that gave birth to the series called Demons Souls

Miyazaki wanted to work on a sequel, next gen rpgs are expensive, SCEJ and FROm have a great relationship, so Sony probably offered funding and dev help.

Whats more interesting is that this may have started development before DkS2, meaning Namco didn't refuse Miyazaki from being its director but simply couldn't hire him since he was working on something else.

Even more interesting is how Miyazaki said he wanted to work on a a warmer game, while this is looking quite dark.

It could be a totally new IP, inspired by the Souls series. From can continue with the Soul series being multiplatform.

I think its clear its a Souls game. The fog gate gives it away.

 

[demosthenes]

There's a Mod theory now ?


Well of course we're certain of nothing until an official statement.

But I'm too tired to prove the theory wrong, have at it.

You win if someone manages to "debunk" the fog gate screenshot.

Mr. RPG was right the entire time.

 

[7threst]

It could be a totally new IP, inspired by the Souls series. From can continue with the Soul series being multiplatform.

I hope this. If it has the same atmosphere but being a different game overall I'd like that, even though I love the Souls-series.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Still struggling to believe this. How the fuck did Sony pull this off? Where will the Soul's series go from here?

How? Money, what else?

And there's no reason to go anywhere, it's not like Sony is buying From. Beast stays exclusive and From can just work on a multiplat Dark 3 or something else.

I think its clear its a Souls game. The fog gate gives it away.

Agreed. Look at the camera angles and the hints of animations as well, plus the fog gate. They might not call it XXXX Souls, but it's a Souls game as far as I can see.

 

[Cyrano]

It could be a totally new IP, inspired by the Souls series. From can continue with the Soul series being multiplatform.

My suspicion is that if Miyazaki is working with Japan Studio, he's probably doing it for personal reasons and not business reasons. The business reason comes off as reaching, due to the fact that the series of games have all been really successful, and I doubt they need the money. I suspect that if this is real, there's probably somebody inside Japan Studio that Miyazaki likes working with.

Also? I suspect this is an original IP regardless. I don't get the impression that Miyazaki is the kind of person to linger on a series. He seems to like creating new worlds, not rehashing old ones.

 

[Ferr986]

I hope this. If it has the same atmosphere but being a different game overall I'd like that, even though I love the Souls-series.

I agree, too. I want this to be a new IP.

My suspicion is that if Miyazaki is working with Japan Studio, he's probably doing it for personal reasons and not business reasons. The business reason comes off as reaching, due to the fact that the series of games have all been really successful, and I doubt they need the money. I suspect that if this is real, there's probably somebody inside Japan Studio that Miyazaki likes working with.

Isnt From still a small developer studio? Even with Dark Souls, they always teamed with Namco (I could be wrong though).

 

[Jaeger]

Please stop entertaining the "... It's a mod" crap. Clearly that's bs. It's confirmed every 10 pages this is legit.

 

[bombshell]

It seems really unlikely that any industry veteran (which I assume anybody who has access to a stream such as that would be) would not be recording it for purposes of taking notes.

They aren't pictures from a phone, and the mouse plainly indicates these were from a computer.

Yeah, you might be right about that. If it was me I would definitely have some capture program at the ready watching such a stream.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Verendus already said the screens look like captures from a couple of months ago, based on faint memory.

I am confuzzled.

Have the GAF detectives uncovered anything? Linkedin profile hints or something? Some developer might have "Project Beast" as their on-going project.

 

[Cyrano]

Isnt From still a small developer studio? Even with Dark Souls, they always teamed with Namco (I could be wrong though).

You're not a small developer if you have 230 people at your studio. Namco is a publisher, they mostly work on logistics and PR in that capacity, as well as localization.

 

[Finalow]

Yeah, that's certainly true. Although I might disagree on saying it ran much smoother. It definitely didn't have any many issues as Dark, but it still suffered from its fair share of horrendous frame-rate drops that sometimes required a checkpoint reload to fix.

it definitely runs better than the console versions of dark souls, that was my point. replaying it recently after DkS1-2 it looked much smoother, at least that's the impression I got.

 

[immortal-joe]

It would seem weird to have both Dark Souls 3 and this game on the PS4. You guys think f
"From" will do annual releases (alternate between the two)?

Anyway, Sony clearly played a major part in bringing this whole franchise / universe to life, so I feel they deserve to get another exclusive out of this.

 

[nelsonroyale]

Very interested to see how this pans out. A dark fantasy western, in the vein of Jon Shannow and the Dark Tower Series would be cool. Art is there, hope the visuals are a big step up from DS2. It may be releasing close to Deep Down and then has it nailed in the visual department at least.

 

[Ferr986]

You're not a small developer if you have 230 people at your studio. Namco is a publisher, they mostly work on logistics and PR in that capacity, as well as localization.

Yeah, you're right then, as I said I wasnt sure how may people they had working, but +200 people isnt a small studio.

 

[condigy]

Daigo Souls

 

[StuBurns]

My suspicion is that if Miyazaki is working with Japan Studio, he's probably doing it for personal reasons and not business reasons. The business reason comes off as reaching, due to the fact that the series of games have all been really successful, and I doubt they need the money. I suspect that if this is real, there's probably somebody inside Japan Studio that Miyazaki likes working with.

Also? I suspect this is an original IP regardless. I don't get the impression that Miyazaki is the kind of person to linger on a series. He seems to like creating new worlds, not rehashing old ones.

Didn't he say it wasn't his choice not to work on Dark Souls 2? If so, seems very much about money. Sony pulled out the black credit card and fanned it gently in From CEO's face.

 

[Nightengale]

FROM Software isn't some mythical developer that somehow became untouchable from contract work after Demon's/Dark Souls.

Another Century's Episode R and Gundam Unicorn were PS3 exclusives they made through Bamco's money. Then they also made Steel Battalion : Heavy Armour published by Capcom, as a 360 exclusive.

There's no reason to believe that they've somehow treated Sony different as a publisher just because they're a platform holder. We don't know if things have changed with the Kadokawa purchase, and if they somehow felt they're above and beyond contract work after DS2, but beyond that, there's no indication that they're now forging their own destiny.

FROM is well-established enough that they can self-publish their own games in Japan ( Armored Core and Dark Souls ), but despite that, they still work with publishers on other titles like Gundam and other mecha titles. If they can do that with Bamco,Capcom, they can do it with Sony.

 

[FinalStageBoss]

Idk why ppl don't want to believe this, how many hints does demonite have to give us.

 

[Cyrano]

Didn't he say it wasn't his choice not to work on Dark Souls 2? If so, seems very much about money. Sony pulled out the black credit card and fanned it gently in From CEO's face.

I'm not a stockholder, so I don't know for sure, but unless you are a stockholder (and have some financials via From Software's annual or quarterly reports), I don't think anyone else knows for sure either.

 

[Misterinenja]

My suspicion is that if Miyazaki is working with Japan Studio, he's probably doing it for personal reasons and not business reasons. The business reason comes off as reaching, due to the fact that the series of games have all been really successful, and I doubt they need the money. I suspect that if this is real, there's probably somebody inside Japan Studio that Miyazaki likes working with.

Also? I suspect this is an original IP regardless. I don't get the impression that Miyazaki is the kind of person to linger on a series. He seems to like creating new worlds, not rehashing old ones.

What is this?

Developer fan fiction?

 

[sublimit]

Didn't he say it wasn't his choice not to work on Dark Souls 2? If so, seems very much about money. Sony pulled out the black credit card and fanned it gently in From CEO's face.

Yeah i also remember him saying this.

Edit: Found it!
http://www.edge-online.com/features...dark-souls-ii-and-the-future-of-the-series/2/

Though the discrepancy could well be attributed to a translation error, moments after stating that “there will be two directors for Dark Souls II, which I have secured myself”, Miyazaki tacks on a correction after his introduction of Shibuya and Tanimura, saying “the decision about the new assignments was not made by me; it was made by FromSoftware and Namco Bandai as a whole”

“It was a company decision,” clarifies Namco Bandai producer Takeshi Miyazoe. “Miyazaki worked on Demon’s Souls and Dark Souls, but for the IP to evolve and provide a new experience within the Dark Souls world the new wind from directors Shibuya and Tanimura is key to providing players with [a] brand new Dark Souls experience.

 

[Cyrano]

What is this?

Developer fan fiction?

Just conclusions from reading interviews with Miyazaki. Similarly, since King's Field, every new game Miyazaki has developed has been a new IP.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

It would seem weird to have both Dark Souls 3 and this game on the PS4. You guys think f
"From" will do annual releases (alternate between the two)?

Anyway, Sony clearly played a major part in bringing this whole franchise / universe to life, so I feel they deserve to get another exclusive out of this.

No. This has been in dev for quite some time and has the original team at helm. Quite honestly I expect the other team to work on a new Armoured Core.

After this project who knows what FROM will work on. I honestly think FROM has the right idea. ____ Souls gives them a lot more leeway creatively and also prevents franchise fatigue all at the same time still being recognisable by the loyal fanbase as a Souls game.

 

[Misterinenja]

Just conclusions from reading interviews with Miyazaki.

Oh. I haven't read a lot of his interviews.

Do you have English translations? I'd appreciate it.

 

[NEO0MJ]

Just conclusions from reading interviews with Miyazaki.

Any links? I find that at odds with Darks Souls. Sure it's set in a different world but it shares so many things with Demons, including characters and enemies.

 

[Alucrid]

Didn't he say it wasn't his choice not to work on Dark Souls 2? If so, seems very much about money. Sony pulled out the black credit card and fanned it gently in From CEO's face.

That could mean a lot of things. If he was already working on this project he probably couldn't head up Dark Souls 2 as well.

 

[jacobeid]

I hope this turns out to be real, I'd buy it day one.

 

[Raide]

I certainly love the idea leaking from those shots but I just hope From don't spread the Demon's/Dark Souls formula too thin. It will start to loose its shine if they just keep remaking Demon's Souls with different skins.

Maybe rest it for a while and get back to some Otogi.

 

[vpance]

Still struggling to believe this. How the fuck did Sony pull this off? Where will the Soul's series go from here?

Dark Souls goes perma B tier. Beast Souls is the new showcase halo franchise for From where Miyazaki gets the most freedom to flex his creative muscles. Think of it like Kitchen Nightmares US vs Kitchen Nightmares UK.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Whatever it is. Looks good. Beastly Souls? Beast Souls? Souls of Beasts? Souls of the Beast?

 

[StuBurns]

That could mean a lot of things. If he was already working on this project he probably couldn't head up Dark Souls 2 as well.

I don't think it could mean that, but it could certainly mean he wanted to make this game as Dark Souls 2, but From had an offer for a Dark 2 from Namco and a Demons 2 from Sony, and they wanted to put a team on both. It could mean a lot of things, but ultimately it means he seemingly doesn't have the power within the company to choose to make a game exclusively with Sony. It's happening because it's beneficial to Sony and From, or at least, both parties believe that.

There are developers who have spoken publicly about a console preference, which always surprises me, but I don't think that's the case here. Who knows, it's all speculation.

 

[HiddenForbiddenHolyGround]

Dark Souls goes perma B tier. Beast Souls is the new showcase halo franchise for From where Miyazaki gets the most freedom to flex his creative muscles. Think of it like Kitchen Nightmares US vs Kitchen Nightmares UK.

Compared to Demon's Souls, Dark Souls was already B tier.

*Drops mic*

Spoiler

Don't kill me.

 

[SRTtoZ]

Dark Souls goes perma B tier. Beast Souls is the new showcase halo franchise for From where Miyazaki gets the most freedom to flex his creative muscles. Think of it like Kitchen Nightmares US vs Kitchen Nightmares UK.

Wait, which is which? I liked UK better.

 

[JPS Kai]

Whatever it is. Looks good. Beastly Souls? Beast Souls? Souls of Beasts? Souls of the Beast?

Who says it has to have Souls in the name? There were plenty of games developed by Miyazaki before he came up with Demon's Souls.

 

[Misterinenja]

Didn't he say it wasn't his choice not to work on Dark Souls 2? If so, seems very much about money. Sony pulled out the black credit card and fanned it gently in From CEO's face.

Yes, it is money.

Anything else is delusion. Sony wouldn't even publish Demon's outside of Japan.

 

[Daante]

Almost 800k views on this thread.

*Matrix gif Neo Woaw*

 

[Ken Masters]

Can someone explain to me why this thread is so huge?

 

[Elixist]

Beauty of the Beast, you are the beast and your dam sexy.

i'd be heartbroken if this was a hoax, but Miyazaki haz to be doin somethin hopefully we can see it soon.

 

[vpance]

Compared to Demon's Souls, Dark Souls was already B tier.

*Drops mic*

Spoiler

Don't kill me.

I have to agree. I'm longing for that Tower of Latria feel again.

Wait, which is which? I liked UK better.

Dark is the US version, Beast is UK.

 

[Dawg]

Can someone explain to me why this thread is so huge?

 

[Jaeger]

It will start to loose its shine if they just keep remaking Demon's Souls with different skins.

Well, that's new.

 

[Nightengale]

I certainly love the idea leaking from those shots but I just hope From don't spread the Demon's/Dark Souls formula too thin. It will start to loose its shine if they just keep remaking Demon's Souls with different skins.

Maybe rest it for a while and get back to some Otogi.

I'd rather Evergrace.

And I'd personally like to see the Armored Core team be given a chance to do a new mecha IP.

 

[Cyrano]

Any links? I find that at odds with Darks Souls. Sure it's set in a different world but it shares so many things with Demons, including characters and enemies.

http://andriasang.com/comttl/miyazaki_dark_souls/

While talking about Dark Souls specifically: Miyazaki said that it's difficult for him to give a straight answer to the question of why the new game is Dark Souls and not Demon's Souls 2. He did want to make Demon's Souls 2, but "various things" prevented that from happening. Regardless of this, he's happy that the game has become Dark Souls, as it allows him to show his creative side by using new ideas and not being tied down.

(emphasis mine)

Again, it's an impression that I get, I cannot claim to have factual evidence, but then, no one else can about creative direction either. In the creation of something there are always going to be bumps and probably just as likely, entire changes in focus.

There are a ton of interviews with Miyazaki though:
http://www.1up.com/previews/dark-souls-developer-qa-bigger-maps
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/egm-interview-dark-souls-director-hidetaka-miyazaki/
http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2013...r-looks-back-at-the-making-of-an-rpg-classic/
http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/11/08/the-mind-behind-dark-souls
http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/716777/dark-souls-an-interview-with-hidetaka-miyazaki/
http://www.edge-online.com/features...m-dark-souls-ii-and-the-future-of-the-series/
http://imgur.com/zO6CcDq (this one is from the artbook, which I think has the best Q&A, but posting the whole thing would probably get me in trouble)
http://darksouls.wiki.fextralife.com/Articles+&+Interviews

http://communityvoices.post-gazette...-guy/30157-hidetaka-miyazaki-talks-dark-souls (I find this one particularly interesting because he says there was never any DLC planned, yet later on he states that there was always DLC planned - just another commentary on how things change during any given development process)