Nymphae
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I edited a point in
It just makes me laugh to see this game is such a cult hit now, I mean it's cool and I'm glad so many people are interested in backing this.
Amplitude (Harmonix) PS3/PS4 - KS (Funded, final day)
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It just makes me laugh to see this game is such a cult hit now, I mean it's cool and I'm glad so many people are interested in backing this.krypt0nian
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Exactly. It's always been a gem to rhythm game aficionados. Ignore him. Hes the one who was screaming about Kickstarter Culture, and he didn't know how it worked to begin with. He's here to feed dissent.
Neuromancer
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I don't think that's reviewing poorly. Also I loved Amplitude long before Guitar Hero existed, I don't think your insinuation is accurate.
No, that's not what I mean; it's the statement that "it must be on Sony hardware to remain faithful to the core gameplay experience". That's what I want elaborated on. It just strikes me as a resoundingly odd thing to state given what goes into these games, but I'm wondering if I'm simply missing something significant.
Frequency: 83 metascore based on 26 critics, 19 favourable (80+)/7 mixed.
Amplitude: 86 metascore based on 35 critics, 34 favourable/1 mixed.
Poorly indeed.
83 and 86 on metacritic...yup, those really reviewed poorly.
arn't you the guy who had no clue how kickstarter worked yesterday? and tried to shit on harmonix/sony over your own ignorance? well congrats, you're doing it again.
Neuromancer
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Nymphae
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Hmm, I guess it didn't? I remember the EGM reviews being not that hot, the concept really didn't take off anyway until GH & RB. I didn't say people didn't love these games before GH/RB, only that the game now has this sort of cult hit status now that those games (GH/RB) did get really popular.
I'm not reading all the metacritic reviews you people posted, are those from the time the game was released, or more recently written reviews? I seem to remember Freq and Amp getting 6/7's when they were released, and there was no hype for them at the time outside of the magazines.
Followed. The first 24 hours are coming to an end in about 40 minutes... I wonder what they'll be up to by then.
You already have two embarassing strikes in this thread.
Perhaps it's time to step back?
Nymphae
Banned
Explain? I'm really not that embarrassed.
So how much do you know about development budgets? I'm guessing nothing at all.
bitcloudrzr
Member
You can stop with the tales from your ass about the reviews. All of these reviews are from time of release and there is only one below 75 for Amplitude.
Nymphae
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I suppose I am mistaken, I remembered reading pretty middling reviews but I guess not.
Forearm Star
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Edit: nevermind
I hope this game gets funded. Would be nice to have these on my ps4
I hope this game gets funded. Would be nice to have these on my ps4
hodayathink
Member
First is probably the fact that they've tried spiritual successors, and neither did all that hot (Rock Band Unplugged, Rock Band Blitz). Second is probably that since Sony owns the IP, there might be some aspects of the gameplay that they have ownership of, and making another spiritual successor means that they have to change the in a way they don't want to do.
Lawd no.
Quite the opposite for me. Frequency was great, and Amplitude is one of my favorite games of all time. I had confidence in GH and RB because of Amplitude, I didn't re-evaluate Amplitude because RB was popular.
Are you sure you want to double down? I guess I'll read them for you.
Tough to get a date on some, but here are the scores from some of the ostensibly larger sources, dates (where available) in parentheses.
Frequency - IGN: 90 (Nov 2001), GamePro: 90 (Nov 2001), Electric Playground: 90(Apr 2004), GameSpot: 87 (Nov 2001), Game Informer: 85 (Dec 2001), GameSpy: 80 (Dec 2001), NextGen Magazine: 80 (Jan 2002), Official US PlayStation Magazine: 70 (Jan 2002), EGM: 68 (Jan 2002).
Amplitude - IGN: 93 (Mar 2003), Game Informer: 88 (Apr 2003), GameSpot: 88 (Mar 2003), Official US PlayStation Magazine: 80 (Mar 2003), GameSpy: 79 (Mar 2003), EGM: 75 (Mar 2003).
EGM definitely not a superfan, so if that was what you remember reading, I can see why you'd remember middling reviews.
ShiroAmakusa
Member
Not gonna fund a Sony exclusive, but I hope it will turn out great for those who do. 
Cringeworthy.
You've only announced releases for PlayStation®3 and PlayStation®4? Why not PC or other platforms? said:
Cringeworthy.
Well Amp/Freq were smaller games made in a time without PSN/XBLA...so yeah now would be the perfect time to do another
krypt0nian
Banned
Not gonna fund a Sony exclusive, but I hope it will turn out great for those who do.
Cringeworthy.
What's cringeworthy about that? You seem to be missing an important detail. :lol
Nymphae
Banned
Thanks for pulling that info, EGM was definitely the culprit lol, I mostly read them back then, I didn't realize it had reviewed so well across the board.
Both Frequency and Amplitude were niche products that gained very little traction when they were released (despite beeing very good games, quality was never an issue). As far as I'm concerned, I don't agree with this KS because of who's making it.
If they want to make a Frequency HD game, they can fund it themselves through their other projects (Dance Central, that new Disney Game, etc) and not bring the burden of it on the shoulders (and money) of the fanbase. But more than that, the amount if money they are asking for is ridiculously high for the scope of the project (an HD remake).
What next, Sega going KS for a SoR HD? Ubi Soft for a new Greatest Courts? Atari for a new Hogs of War?
I was already uneasy with Obsidian's project, but this goes way beyond.
Good for them if they can achieve it though, no one should hate on a new Frequency
ShiroAmakusa
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Nope. Nothing.
For a junior. If not, it seems really low.
You can basically buy the game early with this, though. For $15 or $20 you get two versions of the game, so it's not even really donating as much as purchasing in some ways.
I know enough not to have been a part of that embarrassing Skullgirls character kickstarter whinefest or now part of the attempts to downplay Amplitude HD's development costs. I understand normal game development is usually a lot more expensive than a lot of people realize (that is, excluding some indies who work on their free time or scrape by with poverty-level income). I know the average wage of a game dev in "proper" studios is around 80k per year (maybe less if you're new and depending on what you actually do, (a lot) more if you are a lead or senior staff), though I know some people are willing to work for less if it's a passion project, which the Amplitude team might be willing to do (or not).
krypt0nian
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It's a Sony ip. It was never going to be on other platforms. So yes something huge right over your head. Noting cringeworthy about ip not being on other consoles.
-tetsuo-
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Uhhhh, no
Well, I was kind of assuming everyone on the team would take a bit of a hit to their wages since Kickstarter projects hardly ever pull in the kind of funding that would be able to support full wages and usually devs acknowledge passion projects like Amplitude need sacrifices,, and that most people other than the leads wouldn't be senior staff.
Neuromancer
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Written another way:Not gonna fund a Sony exclusive, but I hope it will turn out great for those who do.
Cringeworthy.
"If it wasn't going to be an Amplitude sequel on PS platforms, we'd have to change a lot to avoid legal trouble and at that point it might not seem much like Amplitude any more."
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I think the issue is with the wording.
If their FAQ said what you said instead of what can be construed as "Only PlayStation hardware is capable of producing such wonders," there wouldn't really be a problem.
Gameplay experience has nothing to do with hardware. You're reading what you want to read into it.
krypt0nian
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I don't read it at all like you've portrayed it. They are simply saying that if it's Amplitude, it has to be on a PS platform. No indication of power is given.
hodayathink
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They've already said that if the Kickstarter succeeds, they'll be spending over a million dollars on the project. Which is probably something like twice the money that they'll actually see from the Kickstarter itself (between the about 10% that Kickstarter will take off the top, and the costs of handling all of the rewards).
Also, I would argue that while developers are probably paid well for games like, say, Dance Central, it's the publishers who probably see the majority of the profit, and all of their most profitable games were published by companies that aren't involved with this project (Microsoft, MTV/EA, Activision). Hell, Madcatz/Red Octane were the people profiting off of the actual plastic instruments, not them.
ShiroAmakusa
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And there I was thinking I missed some info. Apparently I didn't. Thanks anyway, buddy.
It was Harmonix' decision to make a, and I have no doubt about it, great game for Sony consoles. They could have gone multiplatform with some minor adjustments to the game and reach more potential customers. But let's see the stretch goals first. They might include some surprises.
demosthenes
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It would be very impressive to remember reviews from a decade ago.
SwiftDeath
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It could even go as far as the notion that some of the key gameplay elements might be construed as part of the Amplitude IP rights and therefore any spiritual successor Harmonix makes might have to create new gameplay mechanics or face legal ramifications.
I'm not sure though. Could also be that Harmonix is terrified about doing a spiritual successor again after some of its less than successful attempts previously and want to use an IP that is already known. Hard to say really
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
What is it about the "core gameplay experience" that requires "Sony hardware" to be faithful?
I do want to take a moment to say that I don't care that this is only on the Sony consoles and Harmonix can do whatever they want. I'm not arguing that Amplitude should be on my platform of choice.
Neuromancer
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It's not a remake of Amplitude. It's a new game, on a new engine, with new songs, but the same gameplay.
Have they stated their intent with how the game will be developed? To me it seems a lot can be re-used from rock band blitz.
Not good
If the Amplitude IP contains some of the core gameplay mechanics of Amplitude, then doing a spiritual successor wouldn't necessarily be able to have those same mechanics.
Same core mechanics = Amplitude IP = Sony hardware
Triggerhappytel
Member
Because the only people who do that are mindless sheep!
It's around 1/5, or 20%, so that doesn't seem that bad to me. I ran an IndieGoGo campaign this time last year and didn't have 1/5 that quickly, but I also wasn't asking for this much obviously.
I'm still in the camp that podcast mentions this week and next could make or break this.
20% in a day seems decent. the pace will drop off in the middle as they always do, but it seems to be heading in the right direction and has a good enough pace. maybe people don't care for the franchise enough though? would be a shame for it to fail.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I'm actually being sincere here because I haven't played them:
But is Phase (an early iPhone game made by Harmonix, billed as a successor to Amplitude) and the Rock Band Blitz games significantly different than Amplitude?
Regardless, what you're getting at is much more than what they've said in either the FAQ or the live stream they did. If they were that specific, I don't think anyone would scoff at their reason.