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Pokemon Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire Remakes Announced for 3DS

emb said:
Worst generation of Pokemon though, is better than the best generation of most things.

Seriously though, I'd agree that it's the worst, but I would also make the case that there hasn't been a bad set of mainline games yet.
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Basically. Event he worst Pokémon game is still an amazing game. I never finished through Gen 4 myself, but I was a little burned out by then. I have fond memories of R/S/E since by that point the number of Pokémon hadn't spiraled completely out of control by then.

It does, however, make my romp through the remakes easier since going from Fire Red -> Soul Silver -> Sapphire would have felt like a step back...
 
Church RvB said:
I really want a good long post game.
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The Battle Frontier in Hoenn was the best post game I could ever ask for. The Battle Frontier in Platinum/HGSS was good too, but not as good as the one in Hoenn.
Loco4Coco said:
I hate both Gen1/2, if it wasn't for Sapphire/Ruby I probably wouldn't be playing pokemon now.
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I still like Gen 1 quite a lot, maybe it is my nostalgia talking. Gen 2, though... It baffles me that some people think it was the best generation.
 
Reila said:
If the Gen 2 problems are debatable, so are the Gen 3 problems. Still, I don't want to discuss that, generation wars are boring and annoying.
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Gen 2 had problems but the things they did right, compensated for a lot of the faults. The problem with Gen 3 is that people were just looking at the faults of a series that was seemingly not only stagnating but going in reverse mode.
 
LeleSocho said:
I thought this thread was about gen3 not gen4
Hoenn = da best.
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Hey! Gen 4 is great! ...If you remove Diamond and Pearl...
-Horizon- said:
I don't have anything else to compare it to :/
Are there other Pokemon that has had design changes before? Kyogre seems much more changed than I would expect an update to make.
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Nope, the closest we've ever had to that happening is when a Pokemon had to be changed for "reasons", like Jynx or when they updated a design to match the anime, like Pikachu. They've never changed a design like this before.
 
Vire said:
Kinda surprised at all the freak outs in the thread.

I thought this was widely regarded as the worst gen of Pokemon? It is mine at least..
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My 10 year old self was somewhat disappointed with Ruby and Sapphire when they first came out, mainly as a result of so many pokemon at the time not being available (including lots of my favourites like Tyranitar), the lack of battle entry animations, no day/night cycle, no ability to trade with gens 1 and 2, etc. At the time, I wasn't a huge fan of many of the pokemon designs as well, I actively disliked Blaziken's.

Looking back, I see the game a lot more favourably. The lack of connections between gens 1 and 2 with 3 was needed for the substantial overhaul of IVs that took place. It later became possible to get all Kanto and Johto pokemon via LG and FR, events, Colosseum and XD. The music was superb as well. Even the pokemon designs have grown on me a lot, even Blaziken.
 
Also surprised at the happiness, R/S/E was a letdown. Hated all the areas with constant weather effects because it takes forever in battles.

Of course I'm still buying it though. 3DS is gonna sell like crazy with this and Smash this year.
 
I was wondering why Ruby and Sapphire was trending, guess this is why. This was out of nowhere. Can't tell if I'm excited or not, because I remember not beating Sapphire (did finish Emerald though). Also, gen 3 was my most disliked gen.

Regardless, I'll have to see the changes first before getting interested. I was bummed by Pokemon X, so I'm skeptical about this one.
 
I had no idea how much love people had for generation 3. Thinking about it, it might be my second favorite. There were parts I disliked but I loved secret bases, underground, competitions (I think the most I had on one pokemon might have been 22), and Swampert!
 
-Horizon- said:
Nice. Yeah, its either new formes or megas. Maybe formes. Megas have usually been more dramatic in changing appearances. This is a lot more subtle.
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I hope not. Were there any significant new form changes in XY? I felt like they were moving away from that.

Jarmel said:
Gen 2 had problems but the things they did right, compensated for a lot of the faults. The problem with Gen 3 is that people were just looking at the faults of a series that was seemingly not only stagnating but going in reverse mode.
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You could say the same about the positives about Gen 3. ...Then the same about Gen IV because it also took a lot away.
 
Amentallica said:
God damn it, I want to be excited for this, I really do, since it's my favorite Pokemon region, but IVs have fucked up my enjoyment of the game. Simply because of the existence of IVs, my enjoyment of the Pokemon games has dwindled.

I always have it in the back of my mind that I may have a significant loss in one stat of a pokemon that I have otherwise EV trained perfectly with a good nature. I cannot go through the process of breeding for hours on end to perfect IVs. They better change that shit. Make it unique, but in a different and less infuriating way.

But I'll probably still get this, despite putting down Pokemon Y after beating it once.
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Uh? It's calling breeding with a 6IV god ditto, and XY already streamlined the systems to make breeding and training ridiculously simple and less time consuming.
 
The Broken Ska Record said:
Is there a story reason for the title Alpha and Omega? I don't remember Ruby that well.
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Alpha and Omega makes more sense if you're talking about gen 4 and Diamond/Pearl/Platinum's legendaries. Or at least with Arceus it does.

I don't know, its probably a new story because Ruby and Sapphire was about environmental changes.
 
Jarmel said:
Gen 2 had problems but the things they did right, compensated for a lot of the faults. The problem with Gen 3 is that people were just looking at the faults of a series that was seemingly not only stagnating but going in reverse mode.
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Well, to me at least, nothing in GSC compensated for the underdeveloped new region and the lackluster Pokemon designs. Plus, the music was so boring compared to the Gen 1 music. The problems with Generation 3 didn't bother me that much, EXCEPT for the boring Gym Leaders. For some reason, most of them weren't memorable as Gen 1 and 2 Gym Leaders. But stuff like too many water routes? Use repel, problem solved. Most of the older Pokémon not present in the games? No problem, I could always play RB/GSC if I want to play with the older Pokémon. Bad music? I can't take people who say Hoenn had bad music seriously. Etc. The things Gen 3 did right made me love the region and if it wasn't for Gen 3, I probably would have stopped playing Pokémon (until the release of Platinum, of course).
 
-Horizon- said:
Alpha and Omega makes more sense if you're talking about gen 4 and Diamond/Pearl/Platinum's legendaries. Or at least with Arceus it does.

I don't know, its probably a new story because Ruby and Sapphire was about environmental changes.
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A and Omega makes sense when you realize that the 3rd gen's trio is based on Hebrew myth.
 
Well, duh. That it's so soon, however, is a surprise! I wonder what neat things they'll come up with to put in this game that'll never be used beyond the remake.
I wish froakie could've followed me around, Nintendo. :(
 
Hoenn is far from the worst generation. Just look at what it brought to the series.

Abilities. The biggest game changer, arguably bigger than the physical/special split.

The best Waifu pokemon

Based Steven.

The best Starter Trio. All of them well-designed and competitively viable.

It was the first game to have fleshed-out side activities.

A challenging post game via Battle Factory.
 
Reila said:
The Battle Frontier in Hoenn was the best post game I could ever ask for. The Battle Frontier in Platinum/HGSS was good too, but not as good as the one in Hoenn.
I still like Gen 1 quite a lot, maybe it is my nostalgia talking. Gen 2, though... It baffles me that some people think it was the best generation.
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I'm actually forgiving on GSC Gen 2, but absolutely think HGSS is a disappointment as far as remake goes. Better than FRLG but still disappointing.

lupinko said:
Uh? It's calling breeding with a 6IV god ditto, and XY already streamlined the systems to make breeding and training ridiculously simple and less time consuming.
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This. Gen VI breeding makes it very easy to get perfect IVs.
 
The Broken Ska Record said:
Is there a story reason for the title Alpha and Omega? I don't remember Ruby that well.
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I think it's as much as Heart and Soul were for Gold and Silver. I guess since Alpha is often known as the beginning and rain is often considered the beginning of many things. Omega is often considered the end and Groudon creates volcanoes implying a theme of Apocalyspe
 
ArchedThunder said:
Hey! Gen 4 is great! ...If you remove Diamond and Pearl...


Nope, the closest we've ever had to that happening is when a Pokemon had to be changed for "reasons", like Jynx or when they updated a design to match the anime, like Pikachu. They've never changed a design like this before.
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So only a slight color and shape change. Yeah, this isn't just an updated design. This adds much more features to them.

Beelzebufo said:
I hope not. Were there any significant new form changes in XY? I felt like they were moving away from that.


You could say the same about the positives about Gen 3. ...Then the same about Gen IV because it also took a lot away.
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I don't recall there being any...XY were a blur to me so I'm not 100% sure :/
 
Back in the day not having day and night cycle in the game really bothered me...

Also no going back to other regions after the game was done made it feel rather barren.

The designs were also drastically different from gen one and two

I dunno to me personally it was the most disappointing gen of Pokemon
 
MrT-Tar said:
Looking back, I see the game a lot more favourably. The lack of connections between gens 1 and 2 with 3 was needed for the substantial overhaul of IVs that took place. It later became possible to get all Kanto and Johto pokemon via LG and FR, events, Colosseum and XD. The music was superb as well. Even the pokemon designs have grown on me a lot, even Blaziken.
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Basically this. In the context of the series the games fare far more favourably now than they did when they released. They were the first to introduce brand new region with no ties to the past ones (which many expected after GSC) and made an absolute ton of Pokemon unavailable. For a long time only half of Pokemon (202/386) were available in-game, many of them fan favourites.

Now we are more used to that and all Pokemon are readily available or transferable so that doesn't seem like that much of a deal, but it was a huge source of displeasement among the fans. Especially since this was before online came to Pokemon so the only ways to get missing Pokemon required a lot more cash investment than before (you needed RuSa, FRLG, and Colosseum/XD for remaining Johto Pokemon). A lot of Gen III problems were simply alleviated by time (not all though, e.g. gutting day/night system and no moving sprites after Crystal felt off).
 
Boss Doggie said:
I'm actually forgiving on GSC Gen 2, but absolutely think HGSS is a disappointment as far as remake goes. Better than FRLG but still disappointing.
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Yeah, I thought they would fix the problems in GSC with the remakes, but in the end they didn't.

That is why I have no hopes of Game Freak fixing some of the annoying stuff from RSE. I am just hyping 3D Hoenn, the remixed music and hopefully more mega evolutions.
 
Beelzebufo said:
A and Omega makes sense when you realize that the 3rd gen's trio is based on Hebrew myth.
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Oh right, that does make sense. I think I read on Bulbapedia what Groudon and Kyogre were based on.

Edit: yeah Behemoth and Leviathan. Oh thanks for remind me of that. It completely went over my head.
 
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