Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 7: How Can My Smash Brother Be This Cut
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I'm fine with that.
hahaha
Shotgun Kiss
Member
Not gonna lie; I genuinely thought Wonderful 101 was a third-party game too. And that's from somebody who completed and loved it.
But really; it's an easy mistake to make; it was developed by Platinum Games, a third-party studio. Sure, third-party studios have worked on Nintendo franchises before (such as Sega with F-Zero GX and Capcom with Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons, and Minish Cap), but I believe this is the first time a third-party has actively created an IP specifically for Nintendo.
Now I know that Wonderful 101 is a Nintendo property, I don't think Wonder Red would work as a playable character. The obvious comparison to draw is Olimar, but there are key differences. The whole point of the Wonderful 100 is that they merge to form gigantic weapons. That obviously wouldn't translate to Smash Bros. (except as a Final Smash, but still; what do you do for the base moveset?). That problem could be addressed in one of two ways, both of which have their own problems:
1) Wonder-Red fights solo, except when using a Final Smash. Obviously, this would be pretty lame. It's established even within Wonderful 101 that he's relatively weak on his own, and has no real moveset potential at all.
2) All of the Wonderful 100 are playable simultaneously, and would basically be bunched together. This would just look weird, as it would be impossible to distinguish between them in a fight, and they'd look like a big colourful mess. Plus, the Wonderful 101 are "regular" people; they're not supposed to be tiny (I know the opposite is true for Olimar, but it doesn't feel as forced with him, as Pikmin games don't have him running around cities and encountering other people).
I'd be perfectly happy with a Wonderful 101 stage, which I think is certainly feasible, and could be awesome as hell. Imagine fighting on one of the bosses as it rampages through cities/oceans/volcanoes/etc. You could even have the Wonderful 101 in the background, doing all kinds of epic shit. I think that would do them far more justice.
But really; it's an easy mistake to make; it was developed by Platinum Games, a third-party studio. Sure, third-party studios have worked on Nintendo franchises before (such as Sega with F-Zero GX and Capcom with Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons, and Minish Cap), but I believe this is the first time a third-party has actively created an IP specifically for Nintendo.
Now I know that Wonderful 101 is a Nintendo property, I don't think Wonder Red would work as a playable character. The obvious comparison to draw is Olimar, but there are key differences. The whole point of the Wonderful 100 is that they merge to form gigantic weapons. That obviously wouldn't translate to Smash Bros. (except as a Final Smash, but still; what do you do for the base moveset?). That problem could be addressed in one of two ways, both of which have their own problems:
1) Wonder-Red fights solo, except when using a Final Smash. Obviously, this would be pretty lame. It's established even within Wonderful 101 that he's relatively weak on his own, and has no real moveset potential at all.
2) All of the Wonderful 100 are playable simultaneously, and would basically be bunched together. This would just look weird, as it would be impossible to distinguish between them in a fight, and they'd look like a big colourful mess. Plus, the Wonderful 101 are "regular" people; they're not supposed to be tiny (I know the opposite is true for Olimar, but it doesn't feel as forced with him, as Pikmin games don't have him running around cities and encountering other people).
I'd be perfectly happy with a Wonderful 101 stage, which I think is certainly feasible, and could be awesome as hell. Imagine fighting on one of the bosses as it rampages through cities/oceans/volcanoes/etc. You could even have the Wonderful 101 in the background, doing all kinds of epic shit. I think that would do them far more justice.
Chibi-Robo!, Golden Sun, Captain Rainbow, Sin and Punishment, Custom Robo, and the list goes on. The Wonderful 101 isn't unlike any of those games.
Reveal ridley in 3 hours at QA meeting, duh. Nothing will get investors more excited than knowing that ridley will be in smash 4. That means nintendo will hit that 3.8 million expected sales day and date with smash 4 release, all because of ridley.
Shotgun Kiss
Member
Interesting. I wasn't aware that those were all developed by third-parties. Golden Sun is the only one whose developer (Camelot) I'm familiar with, but I thought they were a second-party, especially since they also worked on the Mario Golf and Tennis games.
But I think this just highlights the key difference; Platinum Games are a well-known developer, and as such, it's well-known that they develop games for non-Nintendo systems. So that's where the mistaken notion of Wonderful 101 being third-party is coming from. Again, I still think it's a very easy mistake to make.
Dimitri LH
Member
I....just saw the PotD.
....I refuse to fall for this troll tactic!!
He still has a chance...no....They have a chance!! Sakurai has a ace up his sleeve. Just watch!
....I refuse to fall for this troll tactic!!
He still has a chance...no....They have a chance!! Sakurai has a ace up his sleeve. Just watch!
TT-TT
It'll turn out that Ridley is the only playable character in Smash.
First-party - Nintendo developed, Nintendo published (Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing, etc.)
Second-party - outside developed, Nintendo published (W101, Custom Robo, Golden Sun, etc.)
Third-party - outside developed, outside published (Metal Gear, Resident Evil, practically everything else)
The Wonderful 101 is a second-party game; it's published by Nintendo, but it isn't developed by them. The same goes for Golden Sun and the others.
Exotoro
Member
nintendo's marketing should be
"DO YOU WANT TO PLAY AS A FUCKING SPACE DRAGON? HELL YEAH YOU DO"
Yep. Kirby and Fire Emblem are also technically second-party, though Wikipedia is insistent that Nintendo owns HAL and Intelligent Systems (which isn't true).
Beelzebufo
Banned
Haha, that would be funny to see someone wait in line to ask
"Is Ridley a boss, a playable character, or both?"
I still don't know what it means to this day.
Someone just explained it
ArchedThunder
Banned
They also say that Nintendo owns 53% of Gamefreak but give no source and that information isn't anywhere but Wikipeida.
So Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon is a second party game. Why not just say it's first party? I don't understand.
Because it wasn't developed internally?
ArchedThunder
Banned
Luigi's Mansion 2 is a first party game (owned by Nintendo) developed by a second party dev.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Sin and Punishment is a Nintendo IP, and I bet that's not the first time that happened either.
Really though I just wanna encourage more people to play Sin and Punishment.
So is it first party or second party? Also isn't it developed by a third party in this case?
Why what?
ArchedThunder
Banned
So is it first party or second party? Also isn't it developed by a third party in this case?
Next Level works exclusively on Nintendo platforms, they are a second party dev.
Why not?
They're independent still, correct? I actually forgot that they had announced this. I guess Nintendo is going to give them some more IPs to work with.
Why not what?
Mr. Smiley
Member
So is it first party or second party? Also isn't it developed by a third party in this case?
Luigi's mansion is a first party property, delevoped by a second-party dev. It is by all accounts still a first party game.
Edit: Well I'm late to this shindig
You trying to incite the super purists to come out?
they don't exist, at least I hope not
Who?
Oh, I'm sure they exist somewhere. I don't think it should matter who develops it.
How?
you're a bad linkhero :<
As long as they have had some history of being on a Nintendo platform, they should be eligible.
CoD Dog Ghost 4 Smash
So I made a chart for items in alphabetical order with the red marker indicating whether an item is new or not. May have made some mistakes. If I did, please point them out.
That is one hell of an item switch screen. Wonder how many more there are, or if that's it. I'm pretty happy with it, so far.
Any glaring omissions from previous games?
Nocturnowl
Member
So many new items from Mario, Zelda and Kid Icarus in particular, I think they could've shared the wealth a bit more among other series there but I suppose not every game has that many logical item choices that'd fit in.
The day LJN revives and becomes the sole developer of Smash Bros. is the day you regret this statement.
So I made a chart for items in alphabetical order with the red marker indicating whether an item is new or not. May have made some mistakes. If I did, please point them out.
Loving the diversity.
The new Mario items are kinda... questionable, but seeing as Zelda is a game about collecting items I'm mostly surprised we've gone so long with the few we've had.
Lord_Byron28
Member
Mario universe has so many interesting potential items the fact they made that fire block sword kinda annoys me.
Rychu Supadude
Neo Member
When I checked the Wonder Red Miiverse post, I found that there were at least as many "there's too many Mario and Pokémon characters, Wonderful 101 should replace them" posts as there were "that's a third-party hyuck hyuck hyuck" or "who the heck is that" ones. I understand why this nonsense line of thinking exists, but not why it's as prominent as it is. Sigh...
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Man, I really hope we have some DK items beyond the hammer this time. The barrel cannon in Melee was a ton of fun and I'm sure some of the items Cranky/Funky sell you in Retro's games could be put to use in Smash.So I made a chart for items in alphabetical order with the red marker indicating whether an item is new or not. May have made some mistakes. If I did, please point them out.
also what the hell is a sceptile
I don't think it is out of the question that Kid Icarus would have fair share of new items and most of them are largely different from the items we have had. EDIT: Forgot the main point for Kid Icarus. It is a newly revived franchise, and the newest one compared to everything else in Smash.
Mario's items I think are there due to the recent influx of Mario games having lots of power-ups, so I don't think it is out of the question. Now the Fire Bar is an odd item, but it is unique compared to other sword-like weapons.
Now Zelda's items were long overdue. For a series that's meat and bones are items, it was odd how very little of them have been in Smash.
Mario's items I think are there due to the recent influx of Mario games having lots of power-ups, so I don't think it is out of the question. Now the Fire Bar is an odd item, but it is unique compared to other sword-like weapons.
Now Zelda's items were long overdue. For a series that's meat and bones are items, it was odd how very little of them have been in Smash.
Save 'N Quit
Banned
Late, but it's really not surprising Wonder Red isn't playable.
If anything, him being a trophy should be considered an achievement.
If anything, him being a trophy should be considered an achievement.
The day LJN revives and becomes the sole developer of Smash Bros. is the day you regret this statement.
Loving the diversity.
I actually had to go and look up what LJN was. So its a defunct publisher?