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[Dr. Buni]

I don't play competitively either.

Pokemon campaigns suck though. They're always against shitty trainers with 1-3 Pokemon that are hideously underleveled.

It is not perfect, but I don't really think it sucks. XY was the exception, the campaign in those games sucked balls.

I do prefer battling on Battle Frontier-like features, but the last good one was in Generation IV. :/

 

[DNAbro]

When i was younger i didn't even recognize the instrument was a trumpet. It just sounded like pokemon music.

 

[Atlas157]

The new Champion theme got leaked

 

[Macka]

Was Ruby/Sapphire not the shittiest iteration of pokemon tho

Nah, you're thinking of Black & White.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Afaik it was never confirmed that FRLG and RSE happen at the same time. We also don't know when the events of XY take place, it could perfectly be at the same time as FRLG/RSE, no? If mega evolutions is what is in the way of FRLG/RSE and XY happening at the same time, they could always retcon, like they did when they introduced new types in Gen 2.

While it was never explicitly confirmed, there are strong hints and retcons that really wouldn't make sense otherwise to make. Team Plasma is also mentioned in XY, which means it happened after Black/White, which happened after DPPt/HGSS, which happened after FRLG/RSE.

 

[Wichu]

Just my opinion, but I have no idea what is so appealing about Pokemon. I tried to get into the series with Pokemon X, and I found it to be repetitive with uninspiring story. I forced myself to keep on playing thinking it will get better, but after around 10 hours, I just couldn't do it anymore.

Am I missing something?

Pokémon's not about the story. It's about collecting and raising monsters and adventuring through the world. It's about trading and battling with other players. To quote the opening of the anime: "I wanna be the very best // That no one ever was // To catch them is my real test // To train them is my cause".

Don't play Pokémon aiming to get through the story as quickly as possible; see what types of Pokémon you can catch and train.

Also competitive multiplayer is super fun. There's a lot of strategy and mindgames involved.

It could be the case that it's not for you, though... That would be a shame, since I think Pokémon is one of few series that has something for practically everyone.

 

[Winterfang]

Ask the magic 8 ball if you should get Alpha Sapphire, then ask if you should get Omega Ruby. It's how I make all important decisions.

Not for Sapphire and most likely to Ruby.

Mm, ruby is the one I didn't played so I've never seen a groundon in game, I'm down.

 

[Christopher]

I don't play competitively either. But that's where the legitimate meat of the game is.

Pokemon campaigns suck though. They're always against shitty trainers with 1-3 Pokemon that are hideously underleveled.

The campaign sucks. All the hardcore fans play for the end game and the battling and the breeding.

I still haven't beaten X because the campaign is long, boring, and easy.

Who uses the word campaign outside of fpsers?

 

[Benzychenz]

#TeamAlphaAsFuck

This was amazing and unexpected news to wake up to, hope they've fixed up the XY engine though.

 

[The Lamp]

It is not perfect, but I don't really think it sucks. XY was the exception, the campaign in those games sucked balls.

I do prefer battling on Battle Frontier-like features, but the last good one was in Generation IV. :/

Yeah, my favorite was HG/SS because it had a lot to do post-game (Kanto...Red...Pokeathalon...Bug Contests...etc.) but the campaign itself was also pretty interesting in my opinion.

Who uses the word campaign outside of fpsers?

What else are you going to call it? Single-player mode? Main story? Either one works. It's arbitrary.

 

[Not75Drops]

Just my opinion, but I have no idea what is so appealing about Pokemon. I tried to get into the series with Pokemon X, and I found it to be repetitive with uninspiring story. I forced myself to keep on playing thinking it will get better, but after around 10 hours, I just couldn't do it anymore.

Am I missing something?

Yes you made a mistake by thinking these games had a good story. The only one that comes close is BW.

 

[GraveHorizon]

Ruby and Sapphire were my least favorite out of the series, but I'm still excited for this.

Weirdly enough, I realized that Gen. 3 is my second favorite after Gen. 2, despite how much I put it down in my mind. I mean, I played it for so many hours, and trained my Swampert to level 100, and Groudon to 98. Tons of great memories with Ruby when I put aside my disappointment in its departure from what I loved about G/S/C (my first and favorite Pokemon games). I'm still a little surprised to feel more interested in a remake of the games I never wanted to or even believed would be remade than the freshest "original" entries in the series.

Spoiler

I bought a Pokemon 3DS and Pokemon Y, stopped playing it after leaving Lumiose City, then just mailed the system and game to an online friend because I didn't care anymore.

 

[Shun]

Oh wow I forgot that the entire Pokemon world is rotated 90 degrees to the right...

If that's the case there's still the entire Tohoku and Northern Chubu regions left. If they ever do plan on expanding it then we might have one last Pokemon game set in Japan.

If anything they could add Chugoku and Shikoku as mini regions if not the Ryukyu Islands.

 

[Dr. Buni]

Yeah, my favorite was HG/SS because it had a lot to do post-game (Kanto...Red...Pokeathalon...Bug Contests...etc.) but the campaign itself was also pretty interesting in my opinion.

I like the campaign in Platinum the most.

The way the events in the game unfold are entertaining to me. Again, the worse one was in XY. I was expecting something epic to happen with Team Flare...

 

[-Horizon-]

There's two areas to the "North" (remember Hoenn is rotated): the mainland of Japan, and a large island, but part of that is technically Johto (the part after the whirlislands).

So the mainland part hasn't been adapted into a game region yet while the large island one is part of Johto?

 

[Hatchtag]

Yes you made a mistake by thinking these games had a good story. The only one that comes close is BW.

Yeah, the stories in these games are pretty ass. But it's not really about the stories. They only need to set up the scene, to motivate you into doing some cool shit. And they all succeed pretty well, usually in a fairly unique way too (which is why I'd argue DPPt had the "worst story", not much unique about it). Even the game with the dumbest story (RSE) does some cool shit. You can't tell me the whole Megaocean area of the game being in a big-ass storm/drought/stormdrought didn't get you hyped.

So the mainland part hasn't been adapted into a game region yet while the large island one is part of Johto?

Kanto and most of Johto are part of the mainland. Only the parts past the whirl islands in Johto aren't.

 

[Dr. Buni]

Pokémon's not about the story. It's about collecting and raising monsters and adventuring through the world. It's about trading and battling with other players.

Eh... What Pokémon is about is very subjective, actually. I think it was Toxi who posted earlier here that people play Pokémon for the most different reasons.

Some for the competitive, some for the campaign, some for the collecting Pokémon, some for the lulz, etc.

And they all succeed pretty well, usually in a fairly unique way too (which is why I'd argue DPPt had the "worst story", not much unique about it). .

Yes, the game with the story which adds a lot to the Pokéverse lore is the worst one... What is this I don't even. It is easily the most unique story in the series.

 

[fredrancour]

So the mainland part hasn't been adapted into a game region yet while the large island one is part of Johto?

The mainland contains both kanto and johto, with sinnoh even further north.

Realistically, they could plop islands around hoenn in any direction they please. It's far enough out to sea.

 

[Wichu]

Weirdly enough, I realized that Gen. 3 is my second favorite after Gen. 2, despite how much I put it down in my mind. I mean, I played it for so many hours, and trained my Swampert to level 100, and Groudon to 98. Tons of great memories with Ruby when I put aside my disappointment in its departure from what I loved about G/S/C (my first and favorite Pokemon games). I'm still a little surprised to feel more interested in a remake of the games I never wanted to or even believed would be remade than the freshest "original" entries in the series.

Spoiler

I bought a Pokemon 3DS and Pokemon Y, stopped playing it after leaving Lumiose City, then just mailed the system and game to an online friend because I didn't care anymore.

Agreed. Although X is my second-most played game, that's only because of the improved breeding mechanics and cycling left and right while listening to lectures. Kalos felt lacking compared to previous regions.

Sapphire was the first Pokémon game I owned (and the one I put most time into). Combine the world of Hoenn with the improvements made in the three generations since then, and this might end up being my personal favourite Pokémon.

 

[ArchedThunder]

So the mainland part hasn't been adapted into a game region yet while the large island one is part of Johto?

Johto and Kanto are part of mainland Japan.

 

[MaximumSpider]

Bullshit. I only play the campaign and post-game stuff like Battle Frontier. Never touched competitive crap in my life.

Same here.

 

[CassSept]

So the mainland part hasn't been adapted into a game region yet while the large island one is part of Johto?

Kanto and Johto cover most of Kanto region (duh) and eastern Chubu . Hoenn is Kyushu and Sinnoh is Hokkaido. Most of Japan is already covered, that's why with Unova they moved outside of Japan (Unova = NY metro area; Kalos = France). Of course, there's still area to cover within Japan, but it's more interesting if they continue to set new regions outside of Japan.

I remember wanting to find this place so badly only to learn later that there was nothing particularly useful there anyways

Why not?

Spoiler

kappa

Edit: fixed for accuracy

 

[Hatchtag]

Yes, the game with the story which adds a lot to the Pokéverse lore is the worst one... What is this I don't even. It is easily the most unique story in the series.

I was more referring to the main campaign. Time and space Pokemon had been done before, villanious teams awakening a legend had already been done before (remember, this was only the second time doing this at this point in the series), two legendaries fighting (in Platinum) had already been done before in Emerald. The main campaign really wasn't the unique.
The post-game did add some kick ass lore though, I will give you that.

 

[Beelzebufo]

I was more referring to the main campaign. Time and space Pokemon had been done before, villanious teams awakening a legend had already been done before (remember, this was only the second time doing this at this point in the series), two legendaries fighting (in Platinum) had already been done before in Emerald. The main campaign really wasn't the unique.
The post-game did add some kick ass lore though, I will give you that.

I also remember that being the game where things just got silly. Groudon and Kyogre were kinda pushing it, but it was stupid to have a 10 year old catch god or whatever.

 

[fredrancour]

I think it would actually be amazing if an entire pokemon game was devoted to only campaign refinement. Upgrades to plot and environmental navigation would be huge. One side-effect of the 3d switch for me is that routes and towns felt incredibly tiny even though the actual walkable space didn't really change. I think i would be willing to have an entire pair of brand new games with zero new pokemon if it meant having the overworld system drastically revamped.

I know that would never happen, though. They got so much shit just from xy's 70 + megas.

 

[jholmes]

Basically, though, the *only* reason companies ever do anything is because they hope you are going to buy stuff from them. I'm not exactly sure what your point is?

That you get what you pay for. I'm not sure if some of you guys in this thread don't understand what I'm saying or just disagree. You're allowed to just say "I disagree."

No shit. Do you have anything useful to say?

Yep: Not wasting my time with you again. Clearly a waste of time. Thanks for making that clear!

 

[-Horizon-]

Yeah, the stories in these games are pretty ass. But it's not really about the stories. They only need to set up the scene, to motivate you into doing some cool shit. And they all succeed pretty well, usually in a fairly unique way too (which is why I'd argue DPPt had the "worst story", not much unique about it). Even the game with the dumbest story (RSE) does some cool shit. You can't tell me the whole Megaocean area of the game being in a big-ass storm/drought/stormdrought didn't get you hyped.



Kanto and most of Johto are part of the mainland. Only the parts past the whirl islands in Johto aren't.

The mainland contains both kanto and johto, with sinnoh even further north.

Realistically, they could plop islands around hoenn in any direction they please. It's far enough out to sea.

Johto and Kanto are part of mainland Japan.

Kanto and Johto cover Tokyo prefecture. Hoenn is Kyushu and Sinnoh is Hokkaido. Most of Japan is already covered, that's why with Unova they moved outside of Japan (Unova = NY metro area; Kalos = France). Of course, there's still area to cover within Japan, but it's more interesting if they continue to set new regions outside of Japan.



Why not?

Spoiler

kappa

Welp. I just failed Pokemon geography ._.
I'm not going to pass the history test either am I?

Really though, thanks every one for the info.

 

[lupinko]

I'm not sure which version I want.

I have both Ruby and Sapphire but I can only get one of these. Hmm

I was in the same boat (have two rubies, two sapphires and an emerald), but I have a JP and NA 3DS so the decision is really easy, both games like XY.

 

[cafemomo]

Was Ruby/Sapphire not the shittiest iteration of pokemon tho

That's a strange way to spell out Diamond and Pearl

 

[Dragoon En Regalia]

Awesome to read about this. I feel like I miss a lot as a person who isn't very familiar with music.

I don't know much about the metrics of composition, at least not the theory, but game music's surprisingly easy to analyze from an art appreciation perspective. That's why I'm preparing a Game Music OT with a friend to promote more detailed discussion

Spoiler

and also because no one uses the Pokémon music thread I made

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Oh wow I forgot that the entire Pokemon world is rotated 90 degrees to the right...

If that's the case there's still the entire Tohoku and Northern Chubu regions left. If they ever do plan on expanding it then we might have one last Pokemon game set in Japan.

If anything they could add Chugoku and Shikoku as mini regions if not the Ryukyu Islands.

The regions above Kanto and below Hokkaido have lots of potential for a new mainline region. It partly comes down to whether or not Game Freak's willing to take on Fukushima and the 3/11 tsunami as subjects for routes/dungeons/areas/settlements. But there's always Iwate Prefecture if you want a more bucolic, serene part of a region.

 

[Zalman]

Was Ruby/Sapphire not the shittiest iteration of pokemon tho

It definitely was, but in this case, the worst is still really good. That's how flawless Game Freak is.

 

[PreyingShark]

My 6-month-early prediction:

Instead of having to wait until beating the first gym to get the new Exp. Share, you will now get it right after you get the Pokedex and will once again have to turn it off to get anything even vaguely resembling a campaign that requires you to have something even vaguely resembling a brain to complete it.

Also, Battle Frontier or bust. ;_;

 

[Frost_Ace]

XY are waay worse than R/S

 

[Shun]

I don't know much about the metrics of composition, at least not the theory, but game music's surprisingly easy to analyze from an art appreciation perspective. That's why I'm preparing a Game Music OT with a friend to promote more detailed discussion

Spoiler

and also because no one uses the Pokémon music thread I made

.

The regions above Kanto and below Hokkaido have lots of potential for a new mainline region. It partly comes down to whether or not Game Freak's willing to take on Fukushima and the 3/11 tsunami as subjects for routes/dungeons/areas/settlements. But there's always Iwate Prefecture if you want a more bucolic, serene part of a region.

Yeah I was born and grew up in Sapporo so Sinnoh and Gen IV were pretty cool with how they did everything.

I'd love being able to go around Aomori if they did another region in Japan. There's a lot of potential there.

If they do I'd like one final game that explores all the regions in Japan in one console/handheld game. You go through each region, battle each Elite 4. Each Champion represents their own Elite 4 and you have a champion for the entire country.

I like that they're branching out since New York and France were nice touches. I'm curious as to what they have in mind next.

 

[Man God]

I'm not saying it is the Distortion World, but it'll probably be something like it. Some kind of new area they can hype up.

I'm thinking Platinum style climate change happening earlier because of Aqua/Magma fucking around.

 

[Zalman]

XY are waay worse than R/S

X/Y is one of the best in the series. It improved the pacing, the variety of obtainable Pokémon early on and much more.

R/S is one of the worst in the series. A huge step back from G/S in so many ways. THAT SAID, I still love these games and I'm excited for the remakes.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

My 6-month-early prediction:

Instead of having to wait until beating the first gym to get the new Exp. Share, you will now get it right after you get the Pokedex and will once again have to turn it off to get anything even vaguely resembling a campaign that requires you to have something even vaguely resembling a brain to complete it.

Also, Battle Frontier or bust. ;_;

Or the just bring back the friggin' Challenge Mode.

 

[Turbowaffles]

So stoked about this. Even thinking of importing a 3DS and getting two copies. One English, one Japanese.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Tacoeon sucks

Oreon master race

 

[trinest]

My 6-month-early prediction:

Instead of having to wait until beating the first gym to get the new Exp. Share, you will now get it right after you get the Pokedex and will once again have to turn it off to get anything even vaguely resembling a campaign that requires you to have something even vaguely resembling a brain to complete it.

Also, Battle Frontier or bust. ;_;

I like dumbed down Pokémon. As you put it.

All this breading bullshit and other compedative things people do these days its nice to relax in the game.

I still want the trainers to refresh and battle you each day.

 

[Adrian121]

Emerald is my favorite Pokemon game. It was freaking amazing and its clear that these games will take elements from Emerald just like HG/SS did with Crystal so I am HYPE! Ive been waiting for this for a long time and its finally here!

Hoenn in 3D, contests and I hope the Emerald Battle Frontier is in this too. By far the best Battle Frontier in the series.

 

[CassSept]

X/Y is one of the best in the series. It improved the pacing, the variety of obtainable Pokémon early on and much more..

As much as I liked playing through XY it has absolutely the worst pacing from all mainline games.

 

[Shun]

So stoked about this. Even thinking of importing a 3DS and getting two copies. One English, one Japanese.

Why when you can play any copy in any language you want.

 

[Sciz]

That you get what you pay for. I'm not sure if some of you guys in this thread don't understand what I'm saying or just disagree. You're allowed to just say "I disagree."

Perhaps you should state your position more clearly. You appear to be arguing that these remakes are a cash grab because the original GBA cartridges are still compatible, which most of us think doesn't hold water. Is there some other angle we're missing?

R/S is one of the worst in the series. A huge step back from G/S in so many ways. THAT SAID, I still love these games and I'm excited for the remakes.

For all that the GSC crowd goes on about how RSE was a step back, I'd like to see some acknowledgement that it was also a huge step forward for once.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

As much as I liked playing through XY it has absolutely the worst pacing from all mainline games.

Yes, it felt like a really boring version of BW2.

 

[Shun]

Perhaps you should state your position more clearly. You appear to be arguing that these remakes are a cash grab because the original GBA cartridges are still compatible, which most of us think doesn't hold water. Is there some other angle we're missing?



For all that the GSC crowd goes on about how RSE was a step back, I'd like to see some acknowledgement that they were also a huge step forward for once.

They were in terms of introducing a ton of viable Pokemon, abiities, and reworking the entire IV/EV system, etc.

That was great, everything else was a turnoff in comparison.

 

[Sandfox]

As much as I liked playing through XY it has absolutely the worst pacing from all mainline games.

That's GSC.

 

[Toxi]

XY has really weird pacing because of that massive gap between the first and second gym. That entire palace part is such boring shit.

GSC don't have weird pacing so much as they have weird leveling.

 

[Winterfang]

MMM this isn't an Emerald remake. Do you know what that means?

Welcome back champion.

 

[LSauchelli]

Welcome back champion.

Or he could be a post-game super-boss.

Edit: I wonder if more Pokémon are getting Mega evos?