lol damn dude
Whoopi Goldberg under fire for saying men have the right to fight back
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lol damn dude
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Regardless of how many men feel they should be allowed to throw down with ladies in the name of equality, is there anyone who sincerely argues with this?
And you can prove this statement how exactly? You know nothing about me. Good for you, you would hit a woman if she hits you. I wouldn't. Simple as that.
Zen_Arcade
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No, he handled it fine. He wasn't in any real danger. He's way bigger and had a body guard that could have jumped in at any time if I remember right. Jay-Z never really has a reason to hit anyone as long as he has a body guard around.
Most people are just saying it's not as black and white as "A man should never hit a woman."
Zoe
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Shouldn't a woman know better too?
Muppet of a Man
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Yeah...you apparently don't understand commons sense. Instincts for self preservation dictate that you defend yourself when being attacked, regardless of your attacker.
Culture dictates not hitting a woman, probably stemming ironically from highly misogynistic patriarchy more than anything else (i.e., the line of thought that says women are fragile/delicate creatures that are more like children or fuzzy, cute animals than anything else).
I don't care how big you personally are, I'm just saying it's silly to say that all women are physically smaller. Genetics isn't an excuse. I'm not saying some roided out monster of a due should hit back on a tiny woman or a tiny man. If someone thinks they can cause me physical harm without me retaliating, they are mistaken. Unless they are really tiny because I'm probably getting my ass kicked.
When you don't hav a real arguement, just change it apparently.
In what universe do you live in that defending yourself is equal to 'throwing down'? Everyone in this thread operating on hyperbole isn't helping the 'do nothing while bein attacked' stance.
stufte
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He handled it the way that he personally wanted to. Was it correct? For him it was. But you can't say that it is the correct choice for every situation. It's definitely not a black and white issue.
also:
I'll be sure to check with you on whether I'm allowed to do something to end an aggression against me.
Omegasquash
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He doesn't HAVE to hit back, and he didn't. He dealt with the situation as he deemed appropriate, and he was the one getting hit. His call to make. If he defended himself a little more forcefully, I think he'd have been well within his right too, but I feel like what he did here was more right than say, dropping her.
He was an adult about it, I guess I would say.
He was an adult about it, I guess I would say.
Yes they should but I'm still not hitting them back. I will try to restrain and if that doesn't work then I guess a few punches may be warranted. I won't hit a woman unless my life is in danger. Bottom line.
Also, no I am not comparing women to the handicap. Can't believe that even needs to be said. I was giving you a list of people I would not punch.
My comment only had everything to do with what occurred in that elevator.
Maybe he was in his right to hit her back. But he kept his dignity. At least now he proves to the whole world that she is the troubled one with big issues. Who knows what could have happened if he fought back. He kept his dignity by doing nothing. She is clearly on cocaine or something.
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Muppet of a Man
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He kept his dignity because he correctly ascertained the level of threat and responded accordingly. If she were attacking him with a baseball bat, I would think it would warrant a different response altogether. If people denigrated him for that, I'd take major issue with them.
The majority of hand to hand random fights that happen are never life and death. People can get walloped pretty damn hard for a long time and will still not be anywhere close to death.
I once sorta trolled a girl and middle school on the bus and she attacked me. Felt like getting hit with small pillows, didn't do shit. Now some of the bigger girls at school it would a different story. One girl whooped a boy's ass hard, like it wasn't even close when it came to the fight and the fight lasted a while.
My point in all of this? Matters whose punching you with what. A small woman freaking out on a dude won't require much force. A normally sized woman brutally whailing on somebody's head or face? You'll probably need to punch her.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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The weird part of this thread is how many hypotheticals are thrown out instead of talking about reality. Which makes me think this:
Don't look at just me. Go try asking your friends, coworkers and family members if they think it is common sense that men shouldn't be hitting women. Most people will say yes or say it's complicated but men should have restraint because reasons...
*shrugs*
Version 3.0
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I disagree, mostly. It's a matter of degrees, like anything else. Generally speaking, men are stronger and shouldn't have to resort to actual hits.
For example, my girlfriend has a temper and has really unloaded on me a few times. But I'm a foot taller and quite a bit heavier, and, you know, have testosterone. If I had responded in kind, I'd have hurt her badly. But her hits, even though they hurt, weren't strong enough to do real damage. One of the times, I just grabbed her and wrapped her up so she couldn't hit me. Another time, I didn't think I could manage that, so I backed up and slapped away her hits as best I could. The third, she was next to the bed, so I just pushed her down onto it (not like that).
But she's little, like I said. If a woman who could really hurt me was hitting me, I imagine I'd be more inclined to respond with more force.
For example, my girlfriend has a temper and has really unloaded on me a few times. But I'm a foot taller and quite a bit heavier, and, you know, have testosterone. If I had responded in kind, I'd have hurt her badly. But her hits, even though they hurt, weren't strong enough to do real damage. One of the times, I just grabbed her and wrapped her up so she couldn't hit me. Another time, I didn't think I could manage that, so I backed up and slapped away her hits as best I could. The third, she was next to the bed, so I just pushed her down onto it (not like that).
But she's little, like I said. If a woman who could really hurt me was hitting me, I imagine I'd be more inclined to respond with more force.
It's more common to tell someone not to attack anyone, not just a single gender. I can say with absolute certainty that my friends, family, and coworkers would say the same thing.
I'm not saying I'm looking for a way to hit a woman. I would do my best to restrain or find a peaceful non hurtful thing to do. However, if they hit me hard enough to hurt me, say bloody my face, I'm gonna slap back. I don't want to hurt or punch anyone but I'm not going to let someone run all over me.
TheStruggler
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if it is just a slap I would say no because your life really isn't in danger, however if a woman attacks you and keeps coming you should have the right to defend yourself by any means to get the attacker to stop regardless if she is a woman, she started it and out herself in that situation so tough love abut the outcome.
Edit: actually this happened to my friend. We were at a club and there was a girl hitting on him, then out of no where this psycho bitch comes up starts yelling at my friend for no reason. Some reason the drunk lady thought my friend was hitting on her first and got jealous that he was talking to another girl. My friend and i Left because we wanted nothing to do with it, as we were walking back to our car she attacked my friend from behind and started hitting him with her shoe, then she started to try to kick him in the balls. He just covered up and did nothing, she kept going for about 2 min and I told my friend "it's time to end this", my friend tackled her to the ground she kept flailing her hands at him so he hook her shoulder with his leg and dislocated her arm. We called an ambulance and cops we filled out a report and he did not get in trouble, cop merely said you did what you could to defend yourself and that was that.
Edit: actually this happened to my friend. We were at a club and there was a girl hitting on him, then out of no where this psycho bitch comes up starts yelling at my friend for no reason. Some reason the drunk lady thought my friend was hitting on her first and got jealous that he was talking to another girl. My friend and i Left because we wanted nothing to do with it, as we were walking back to our car she attacked my friend from behind and started hitting him with her shoe, then she started to try to kick him in the balls. He just covered up and did nothing, she kept going for about 2 min and I told my friend "it's time to end this", my friend tackled her to the ground she kept flailing her hands at him so he hook her shoulder with his leg and dislocated her arm. We called an ambulance and cops we filled out a report and he did not get in trouble, cop merely said you did what you could to defend yourself and that was that.
Muppet of a Man
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Yeah...if you think that, you need to take a step back for a second. Whoopi is the one who raised the issue. These are responses are to her response, not necessarily the original event.
Whoopi raised a good point, one that is not cut and dry (i.e., is nuanced), but a valid one at that.
I don't think most men fantasize about excuses just to physically hurt women (at least not just women anyway). I think that is a pretty big leap to take and a generalization at that.
Zen_Arcade
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Or you know, probably because Whoopi's quote and the OP were speaking in broader terms then the Jay-Z incident, so it carried over into the discussion of the thread?
But please, keep assuming everyone here has fantasies about beating women, and aren't just discussing the topic at hand.
Dark Octave
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He could have at least mushed her face or something.
Nah seriously though, if he felt nothing but a little knat buzzing around him, sure, he did what he needed to do to protect himself and defuse the situation. He gets a cookie. He had every right to launch her up through the roof of that elevator though, imo.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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It feels like the people who are most into discussing the possibility are really into the possibility.
Nameless
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And martial artists/trained fighters are typically held to a higher legal standard due to their ability to inflict more physical damage than the average person. Hell, most martial artist hold themselves to a higher standard knowing that is in fact easier for them to kill/serverly injure someone than some regular slub.
Last post for me. Listen, my posts were entirely what I would do. I'm not bragging but I am stronger than 99+ percent of men with way above average hand speed. I've knocked men out with 1 punch in my youth and I was no where near as strong as I am now at thirty-four. I know what I'm capable of and I choose not to go there at all regarding woman. You can choose otherwise if heaven forbid you are ever in a situation like that. I won't.
I don't disagree but in the case of what went on in that elevator I would have just stopped her from hitting me in a non-violent way. There was also a huge ass body guard in the elevator who also restrained her. He didn't need to give her the metsu shoryuken.
Jesus, that's some Mortal Kombat shit.
If I was rich and popular enough that I needed a body guard I'd never fuck around like that, when it comes to what happened in that elevator.
Be careful not to use X-Ray vision all the time and don't fly next to airplanes. You might hurt us mere mortals.
SquiddyCracker
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Pretty much.
Generally, you shouldn't hit anyone - gender shouldn't even come into calculation. But if you're doing it in self-defense, then it doesn't matter what gender the attacker is.
Really? I assumed that post was hyperbole.
Yeah, a couple slaps and a kick to the leg and no deadly weapons certainly entitle you to bash a woman's face in. Sure.
Zen_Arcade
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Probably because they're being challenged on it by people who assume they have fantasies about beating on women, or people labeling them "Tough Guys" and saying their behavior goes against common sense, when all they're doing is explaining situations where force might be warranted.
NullPointer
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She's not only completely right, its some backwards sexist weirdness to presume otherwise.
Dark Octave
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The good news is that (I think and hope) most of us have never been in a situation to have to hit anyone and most of us never will.
Dark Octave
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"Bash" and "face" are two words I have yet to use in this thread.
God Dayumm
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There are reasons for hitting a woman and her hitting me is not one. Abusing a child or an animal is.
thefunkyman
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I disagree with Whoopi Goldberg, at least, the quotes in the OP's post. If a woman punched me in the head, I would not hit her back, but according to those quotes it would be acceptable. I don't believe that. It should be a last resort. I would have to be repeatedly attacked, the woman would have to ignore all of my warnings, and it must be a situation I can't just walk away from. If I had to use force I would use the minimum required. Thankfully I've never been in a situation like that.
Muppet of a Man
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Right, gender should never enter into the equation. Potential for injury is what dictates how you should respond.
Ironically, this patriarchal and deeply misogynistic stance originates from when women were thought of more as property/livestock that men should take care not to "damage"...sexually, physically, etc.
Regardless, it is good practice to try to restrain those who are significantly weaker than you who don't possess the ability to hurt you with hand-to-hand blows alone. This applies for much smaller/weaker men, small women, small children, etc.
If someone is attacking you with a blunt-force or sharp-edged weapon, even a child, you should be prepared to punch them to protect yourself from potential life threatening injuries. And no one would fault you for it (unless they are insincere/ignorant/naive).
I agree that he conducted himself in a reasonable manner based on what I can see in the video. I don't know what may have given you the impression that I thought it was fine to go to town on her on though.
So you didn't post a gif of a man uppercutting a woman, say you would have given her the rising phoenix, and then talk about how he had every right to put her through the ceiling?
"he could have mushed her face"?
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