Chris G use to play Smash. Would be rad if he showed up and cleaned house somehow.
Nintendo invites fans to the Super Smash Bros. Invitational
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Chris G use to play Smash. Would be rad if he showed up and cleaned house somehow.
Oh, I was referring to the 16 players in the invitational. I suppose at least some of the thousands playing at Best Buy will hate on the game lol
Brawls competitiveness IS crippled by all those things and much more. The low hit stun you mentioned means after every hit it's right back to the neutral game couple that with overpowered shields and you have a game that heavily favors camp while making rush-down ultra hard. And it isn't like you couldn't camp in melee if you wanted to as it can favor both but with brawl it's heavily camp-based with ledge invincibility stalling being a legit tactic. It also has tripping as everyone knows but even worse because it's just a "screw you" to competitive players is that the Frame that moves come out and end on is slightly randomized just so you can't count them
I won't even start on the balance...
People aren't asking for melee HD but instead asking for it not to be brawl 2.0
Edit: just as a disclaimer I want to say its fine if you or anyone else likes brawl nothing wrong with that and hey more power to you but just don't pretend there isn't plenty of valid reasons for disliking it and that the people that do are just bias
Assuming Nintendo has learned anything from last year I sure hope so. They've been doing it for their previous Directs.
Man I'd kill to have front row seats of Smash Bros 4 being played on the Nokia Theater big screen.
I'm not saying it'll happen at this event, but really soon we're going to be reading/hearing those complains I mentioned
You heard it here first: people who didn't like the previous entry in the series are going to be skeptical and cynical towards the new one even after playing it for a few minutes.
Really, you're stating what's been obvious for the last 6 months and how everyone in the Melee scene has been approaching Smash 4: with caution and lowered expectations.
There's inevitably going to be a minority of assholes that will rip the game apart, which are the same people who continue to bash Brawl to this day. You're not going to see Mango or Mew2King rip it apart -- at best they will say "it's not Melee but I'll still play it" at worst, "it's not Melee and x stuff sucks so I'm sticking to Melee".
IF it's those people being invited to play it at the invitational. I imagine there will be a swarm of people with opinions from the Best Buy smash fest, though, and it will be inevitable for people to walk away disliking the game either on its own terms/merits or comparing it to a previous entry in the series.
To put it simply, notable Melee players will play it if it's not Brawl 2.
Not only are you confusing Emily Roger for Cammie Dunaway but Cammie Dunaway doesn't even work at Nintendo any more.
muyricosuave
Member
"Waste it in one game when Zelda u alot could make" way to invalidate yourself. It's a big deal and they are getting a lot of coverage as a result.
Uh I really don't want to participate in a Brawl-Melee war, I was just saying people were going to complain about those things that I don't find inherently wrong (except balance and tripping, obviously). And we know this game has Brawl-like air dodging, the hit-stun doesn't seem to go back to Melee levels, etc.
Captain Falcon is most likely gonna be unlockable again, so I wouldn't get your hopes up.
Agreed, and after Brawl I think that's a fair attitude to have. My real concern is that the competitive community has been spoiled by Project Melee. PM finally gave us almost exactly what we wanted from a new Smash game.
What the community wants is something as well balanced and something that feels as good as PM, but with the jankiness removed (Lucas Shield Pressure/Shield Poking easy mode) and the Nintendo polish.
I don't think Nintendo is capable of giving that to us without thinking they are going against the vision of making it super accessible, even though melee proved that they can make something accessible and competitive at the same time.
Reading through this thread, I like how every Smash discussion devolves into some preemptive Melee fan bashing.
Like a Melee fan could do literally nothing and somebody will concoct a narrative about how they hate fun or have already pre-judged it (without realizing that they themselves have just committed the same sin).
Like a Melee fan could do literally nothing and somebody will concoct a narrative about how they hate fun or have already pre-judged it (without realizing that they themselves have just committed the same sin).
G&W is almost guaranteed to be unlockable, so sadly, no.
I imagine this stems from the fact that a lot of people that aren't competitive in any paritcular game just enjoyed Brawl as a fun casual game and feel slighted by the fact that Melee players don't like Brawl. Despite the game being engineered against competitive play.
I'd also argue that if casual, 'fun' play was the "right way" to play Smash, why aren't people playing Melee that way to the same degree and volume as competitive players? I'd argue that if there was a "right way" to play, which is silly, I'd be the format that is pursued by the largest number of active players over a decade later.
I play Brawl competitively and I couldn't care any less if most SSB players don't like Brawl. It's the childish, one-sided, never-ending bashing what is irritating for us. I also play SSFIV but the "4 sucks 3 rocks" attitudes never really got to this point, aided of course by the fact that SSFIV has a much bigger competitive scene.
ActStriker
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Pacific Time during Daylight Savings is UTC-7. You're only 4 hours ahead.
That comparison isn't really the same though... it's similar, sure, but SFIV was at least intended by the developers to be played competitively while Brawl was specifically designed against it or with it not in mind at all. All of what Sakurai said pre-Brawl and post-Brawl shows that before 2010 or so.
Yes, you could make the argument SFIV made some things easier, slowed the pace down, the ultra system, etc. but at the end of the day there's no mechanic like tripping in it that specifically interrupts your play and can get you KO'd or lose the match. And while that's an extreme example, the mechanic itself being in the game at all is what shows the design and intent behind the game.
You bring up a good point, why is Nintendo even reaching out to the competitive Smash community all of a sudden? It's so niche compared to others.
Just an excuse to advertise the game and NoA to try and get more freedom in its events?
TheXfactor
Member
Is this a test run to see if they want to do it every year? Because they have to know that 3000 people will fill this up extremely quick
It's Nintendo. They won't give out names. Friend Codes ahoy!!
I don't think anyone can argue that Brawl wasn't meant to be more casual friendly, it's just that we're not oblivious to the fact that Melee wasn't supposed to be EVO's flagship game either
Developer intent doesn't matter, it's the final result what matters. Street Fighger II wasn't supposed to have combos, yet it's the game that kick started the genre. There is even competitive Mario Kart (time trials) with people setting insane world records. So yeah, again, it's tiring to be part of a community that receives so much hate from a very hostile group of people who can't get over the fact that one game is different to other. And again, it's completely one sided! Lots of us play both - heck, that Zero and M2K like and play both speaks for itself.I was as well.
I prefer Melee but I still love Brawl, and I've always considered the degree of hate that Brawl has gotten to be a bit irrational. I can't claim to know the personalities of the very top players, but I'm sure there are some that will always hate future iterations of Smash simply for the crime of not being Melee.
I'm probably being unfair though.
Generalizing is not fair indeed, but so many times I've heard or read on Reddit or other sites stuff like "I just want Melee HD" that, man, it does seem like a considerable chunk of people want nothing but Melee. And once again, that's cool as long as you accept other people are not wrong to prefer other games, even if they're flawed. Because really, Melee is flawed itself yet it gets placed on such a weird pedestal, especially compared to 64 which is a more balanced game which has proven to be the least "campy" game in the series.
dampflokfreund
Banned
Huh? It says " Nintendo Digital Event livestream" now, was that always the case? Maybe its live streamed and not a recorded video maybe even with a audience, pls be true...
ActStriker
Member
That ship has sailed bro.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Then we change the bee's gif to Smash bro's.
It's been a livestream for all of their Directs.
And what does an audience do anyway? The reactions are staged and fake so why does it matter?
This is like people getting upset that a show doesn't use a laughtrack.
RomanceDawn
Member
I know the first thing I'll do when I get seated.
I love Brawl more than Melee but I still love Melee as well. The last thing I want is Melee or Brawl with more characters. I'm so glad tripping is gone, FD versions of many stages exist, the more random aspects of the characters were changed to be constant outcomes and that ledge recovery has a major over haul. I can not wait to test these things out. So far Sakurai has given us every reason to assume he is really taking everyone's play style into consideration. No amount of floatiness or multiple air dodges can change that.
sixteen-bit
Member
lol, the video reaction footage would be legendary.
dampflokfreund
Banned
I don't think so, these are just streams without being live.
For me, a audience and a big stage adds a lot to the atmosphere. I can't play the games anyway in June so why not having a great atmosphere at E3 for delivering the informations? These also aren't really fake, for the most part. It's a good thing though that Nintendo does this for Smash Bros, but as a non smash fan it don't appeals to me so I state my opinion. For me, Smash is just another boring fighting game.
Tanner1495
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This is awesome, Nintendo has pretty much deemed the Tuesday of E3 as Nintendo Day between the digital event, this and the developer discussion that night. Is the DD on Tuesday for Smash or the unannounced 3DS game, though?
It's still a livestream, even if pre-recorded. A normal stream would let us skip to the end of the video. It still offers a lot of the same excitement, having the information doled out to everyone at the same time.
I tend to agree with you that the real, in person conferences are better though. A direct just doesn't capture the same magic. I think this is, in large part, due to the fact that we get information in Direct format so often.
Hey guys, just a pro-tip -> if you go to Nintendo website: http://e3.nintendo.com/#2014/date
You can actually book in your personal calendar (and even Outlook, thank based Nintendo for considering the ones who will be at work) the Nintendo time.
I'm tempted to fly-in to e3.
You can actually book in your personal calendar (and even Outlook, thank based Nintendo for considering the ones who will be at work) the Nintendo time.
I'm tempted to fly-in to e3.
PhoenixDawn
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Ridley announcement coupled with a new Metroid game. Believe.
I'm really excited about what Nintendo's doing. Tuesday seems like it will be a long day of Nintendo goodness.
It's not just the Digital Event and Smash either. A lot of people are overlooking the live demos from Treehouse in-between which is a big deal too. So, we get the announcements, game demos from those announcements and then the live tournament. Basically, beginning to end Nintendo's got you covered.
It's not just the Digital Event and Smash either. A lot of people are overlooking the live demos from Treehouse in-between which is a big deal too. So, we get the announcements, game demos from those announcements and then the live tournament. Basically, beginning to end Nintendo's got you covered.
Bring on the Trinnen
When I thought I couldn't be more wrong, this really ain't my day! D:
Well, you catch my drift, Nintendo Directs are better to me than their past presentations.
Apologies for the mix-ups though, damn.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Easily the highlight for me or I think it will be.
PadWarrior
Member
Thanks for this! Just added to the event calendar on my smart phone.
Ah okay. That sounds ridiculously exclusive as shit! Pretty unfair if you ask me.
Now it makes sense.
Yeah, that's how I felt at first, but I know roughly 7 of the 16 announced players and every single one of them deserves it for one reason or another. So hyped and glad that Nintendo decided to reach out and actually choose competitive Melee players and Brawl players. From what I know it seems like players are a little more melee focused, but I'm also part of the Melee scene and don't really know anything about Brawl so the players that I'm in the dark about are likely Brawl players.
The cheering heard around the world.
theprodigy
Member
how is it "ridiculously exclusive", you've gotta explain yourself here
This is going to be good.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
What does outlook mean? I have work that day so whatever it is, im going to use it when I get home.