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[Mammoth Jones]

I saw someone say he was seeing two psychiatrists? Am I wrong for thinking that at that point he shouldn't have been able to buy guns?

No. You're not wrong but we as a society must thing this through. The way it currently works is the shrink MUST contact the police and claim you are a threat to yourself of others. At *that* point the ball gets rolling on firearm confiscation.

I know hindsight is 20/20 but there are MILLIONS of people that see psychiatrists that are no threat to anyone or themselves.

 

[Dabookerman]

He had over 400 rounds of ammo left. Nuts.

 

[linkboy]

been investigated by police multiple times
seen psychiatrist multiple times

buys several guns legally

crazy

Yeah, that's going to send Faux News into a tizzy trying to spin that one.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

400 rounds? holy shit, he really was going to war.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

Read the first lines of the above pic you guys put here, felt sick, wasn't able to continue.

I'm not sure if I should be glad that he cannot hurt anymore or sad that there were evident signs and nobody really acted but until the last second when he posted the video and his parents called the cops. Really sad all around.

You know, all of that shit that is in his manifesto would have been dismissed as over the top trolling two days ago.

I am never going to see the internets as the same way again.

Oh man, this is so true and so depressing

 

[Munin]

I think that manifesto is pretty important. It shows that there is a human being behind all of this, someone who was an innocent child once just like everyone else, and not just some faceless "asshole psycho" that barely qualifies as a person and came into the world as evil incarnate. It's full of warning signs that somebody should have picked up on sooner or later and it especially doesn't put the father in a very good light.

 

[Camp Lo]

Why is this guy getting so much attention here on gaf I don't recall seung-hui cho getting a thread like this.

SHC wasn't as documented; this guy was fully entrenched in forums and youtube. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a gaffer tbqh.

 

[Philia]

Ah I see... so the fucker did killed himself. Fuck.

 

[Sonik]

Lonely kid with inflated ego is not a proper description imo. This person was a proper psychopath not just a kid with some personality problems.

 

[White Man]

I saw someone say he was seeing two psychiatrists? Am I wrong for thinking that at that point he shouldn't have been able to buy guns?

I see 2 psychiatrists and own multiple guns. But that's beside the point: That was the most boring manifesto I've ever read. Aside from the ending, I wouldn't even think this kid was crazy if I didn't know better.

 

[User 100115]

They mentioned it right off the bat.

Thanks all my stream cut out right at the beginning. Are those three included in the six death count?

 

[Deleted member 13876]

Yeah, that's going to send Faux News into a tizzy trying to spin that one.

Much like the tabloid example they'll probably focus on the violent media consumption and ties.

 

[MormaPope]

http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-...session-of-a-firearm-by-the-mentally-ill.aspx

Federal Law:

Under 18 U.S.C. § 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”

California Law:

Has been admitted to a facility and is receiving in-patient treatment for a mental illness and the attending mental health professional opines that the patient is a danger to self or others. This prohibition applies even if the person has consented to the treatment, although the prohibition ends as soon as the patient is discharged from the facility;

Has been adjudicated to be a danger to others as a result of a mental disorder or mental illness or has been adjudicated to be a mentally disordered sex offender. This prohibition does not apply, however, if the court of adjudication issues, upon the individual’s release from treatment or at a later date, a certificate stating that the person may possess a firearm without endangering others;

Has been found not guilty by reason of insanity of enumerated violent felonies. A person who is found not guilty by reason of insanity of other crimes is barred from possessing firearms unless a court finds that the person has recovered his or her sanity;

Has been found mentally incompetent to stand trial, unless there is a subsequent finding that the person has become competent;

Is currently under a court-ordered conservatorship because he or she is gravely disabled as a result of a mental disorder or impaired by chronic alcoholism

A person shall not have in his or her possession or under his or her custody or control, or purchase or receive, or attempt to purchase or receive, any firearms whatsoever or any other deadly weapon for a period of six months whenever he or she communicates to a licensed psychotherapist a serious threat of physical violence against a reasonably identifiable victim or victims. Licensed psychotherapists are required to immediately report to a local law enforcement agency the identity of a person who has communicated a serious threat of violence against a reasonably identifiable victim or victims (see § 8105(c)).

 

[Foffy]

The fact he killed anyone is abhorrent, but the fact so few died and how much ammo he had..

This could have been much, much worse.

 

[Eighty Deuce]

He had over 400 rounds of ammo left. Nuts.

400 rounds? holy shit, he really was going to war.

...ive got over a thousand rounds of 556...800 rounds of 9mm...and 600 rounds of 40......

 

[indigo-cyclops]

I was thinking that his psychological state seemed different than other serial killers; but after reading the last part of his manifesto, and that puahate stuff, it's really wild how it boils down to the same thing. Control and power. His perception was so skewed by some seemingly mundane idealistic scenario that it drove him mad.

The videos [Youtube] seem so...disconnected. Like he's pretending to feel what he's trying to convince the viewer of. Sociopath growing up in the 21st century, where we put everything on the internet.

Very surreal.

 

[Konka]

...ive got over a thousand rounds of 556...800 rounds of 9mm...and 600 rounds of 40......

Why.

 

[anaron]

 

[Gorillaz]

some of his posts from puahate

Lol getting even on chicks that turned you down

Because there aren't more people in the world to get with

 

[Camp Lo]

Why.

Deer hunting /s

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Why.

I shoot every weekend at the range and its cheaper to buy in bulk

 

[Ether_Snake]

What if he had the guns prior?

A gun registry and proper laws regarding mental problems would have led him to have his guns taken.

 

[MormaPope]

Why.

If you're a gun enthusiast/shoot guns for fun, its better to buy ammo in bulk when its cheap or there's a sale rather than buying it when you want to shoot when ammo is more expensive.

 

[Zamorro]

Lonely kid with inflated ego is not a proper description imo. This person was a proper psychopath not just a kid with some personality problems.

It was a psychopath masquerading as a lonely kid with an inflated ego.

I already wondered why it all sounded like parody. Because it was.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

...ive got over a thousand rounds of 556...800 rounds of 9mm...and 600 rounds of 40......

Yea, it sounds like alot until we actually discuss the realities of gun ownership.

I own similar amounts of ammo.

Why.

Case in point.

 

[Ambient80]

400 rounds? holy shit, he really was going to war.

That's really not that much.

 

[Arkos]

...ive got over a thousand rounds of 556...800 rounds of 9mm...and 600 rounds of 40......

Avatar quote?

I had a friend of a friend get killed by his friend while fucking with handguns. I had a friend show me his guns one day, and say "oh shit this ones loaded" (an AR with a huge clip).

I'm sure you are responsible, but a lot of people aren't :/

 

[Keri]

I quoted this earlier:

Kyle Sullivan, 19, a student at Santa Barbara City College, said he came upon three young women -- all shot -- on a lawn in front of the Alpha Phi sorority in Isla Vista.

One woman appeared to be dead. Another was struggling and "just barely able to move her eyes," he said. A third, with a kidney wound, was on the phone with her mother, saying she probably wasn't going to make and "how much she loved her," Sullivan said.

The press conference said that one of the three people shot outside the sorority survived. So at least there's some hope that the mother on the other end of that phone call didn't listen to her child die.

 

[StopMakingSense]

Thanks all my stream cut out right at the beginning. Are those three included in the six death count?

Yes.

 

[Jayburner]

Not sure what the fascination is with guns and ammo in the states.

I send my condolences to the victims of this senseless crime.

 

[Zaph]

I'd say 41 magazines is a bit much...

 

[MormaPope]

Avatar quote?

I had a friend of a friend get killed by his friend while fucking with handguns. I had a friend show me his guns one day, and say "oh shit this ones loaded" (an AR with a huge clip).

I'm sure you are responsible, but a lot of people aren't :/

That's a fucktard move, sorry to be blunt towards your friend. You load a gun with a loaded magazine right when you're about to shoot at a range/your own property if its out in the country, or if you're about to use it to defend yourself.

 

[Vashetti]

...ive got over a thousand rounds of 556...800 rounds of 9mm...and 600 rounds of 40......

 

[dejay]

What a pathetic tweet. My first car was a shitter, but my parents weren't rich.

 

[The One Who Knocks]

His manifesto is hard to read, not because of the demented shit, but because he talks about so many little events with extreme focus. He was constantly stressing out about any event that gave him any emotion, incredibly obsessive. I couldn't recite my life like this, don't think many people can, I've never imagined what it would be like to be this obsessive.

This is very true, Every event of significance to him is delved into with an extreme, obsessive detail as he cites names of auxiliary individuals, and irrelevant happenings are elaborated upon. I intended to go through it, and analyse every part of it that I felt may be of interest to people (and annotating why I had picked it), but half way through Age 9 it's already appearing like a gargantuan task as I've 28 excerpts already and am barely a fraction of the way through. It's extremely distressing in how sad his perception of early events, typical or otherwise, is, and how large of an impact the smallest events that occured.

I know the later events are what's going to certainly be more attention grabbing, but here are some of the excerpts I've taken of things that I felt have given the greatest insight, in his early years, as to who he was, and as a demonstration of the level of obsession with his past that would be difficult to consider for anybody not reading it (they're mostly in chronological order; I'd intended to explain them, but he just goes into so much detail, meanders so much, that it's impossible): http://imgur.com/a/bqvNl. His mother being loving, dissatisfaction with his father, insecurity in his home environment, and his feelings of inadequacy are extremely frequent topics.

 

[BocoDragon]

Why is this guy getting so much attention here on gaf I don't recall seung-hui cho getting a thread like this.

Yes there was. I remember spending a good couple days in that meaty thread. I dare say it was larger.

 

[MormaPope]

I'd say 41 magazines is a bit much...

Now that is true. No reason to own more than a few magazines for each gun for all owners.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Not sure what the fascination is with guns and ammo in the states.

I send my condolences to the victims of this senseless crime.

It's not universal. Some people are deep in the gun culture. Some just got into it in the last few years. Some aren't in it at all. Some just own one gun, a few bullets and don't really dig the whole gun debate or culture.

The States is a very diverse place.

 

[Enron]

Guns purchased prior to any mental health contact

 

[- J - D -]

What surprises me is that we haven't really had someone like this guy before (have we? I still need to go through this long thread) - A kid who's so theatrically dramatic in his neurosis and not only that, documents his hatred and his plans in easily-accessible internet spaces and then carries out those actions. We've had mass shootings and violent sociopaths before, but they weren't so forthright about their reasons.

 

[apana]

It was a psychopath masquerading as a lonely kid with an inflated ego.

I already wondered why it all sounded like parody. Because it was.

I tend to agree with this except I don't think these lines are so easy to draw.

 

[Arkos]

That's a fucktard move, sorry to be blunt towards your friend. You load a gun with a loaded magazine right when you're about to shoot at a range/your own property if its out in the country, or if you're about to use it to defend yourself.

Lolz I know, that was what I was trying to indicate. He's actually pretty responsible with guns from what I know, but I mean one fuck up like that and well.

 

[OrlanisWorks]

I quoted this earlier:



The press conference said that one of the three people shot outside the sorority survived. So at least there's some hope that the mother on the other end of that phone call didn't listen to her child die.

I mother fucking hope she lives. I'd just get more emotional if that asshole gets what he had wanted.

 

[Enron]

It's not universal. Some people are deep in the gun culture. Some just got into it in the last few years. Some aren't in it at all. Some just own one gun, a few bullets and don't really dig the whole gun debate or culture.

The States is a very diverse place.

I have two guns, zero ammo, and i haven't fired any of them in years.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

The problem with the misc is that everyone acts like an idiot on there. Nothong inherently wrong with that except that actual idiots come on there and think they are in good company.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

That's really not that much.

For what? shooting at targets or pointing out a car killing people?
You don't think 400rounds is "not that much" to take to the streets and kill people with?

 

[Konka]

Not sure what the fascination is with guns and ammo in the states.

I send my condolences to the victims of this senseless crime.

I grew up with guns but there is really no good reason for somebody to own more than a bolt action rifle and a pump action shotgun.

 

[Parch]

I almost can't believe this is real. It's written in such an over the top, Hollywood cliche fashion that it's hard for me to believe someone growing up in the 21st century could write it without an iota of self-awareness.

Yeah. I'd take that manifesto with a big grain of salt. To me it seems like an autobiography with a big dose delusional fabrication for attention and justification.

 

[Eighty Deuce]

For what? shooting at targets or pointing out a car killing people?
You don't think 400rounds is "not that much" to take to the streets and kill people with?

One mag hold 30 rounds, I can fire that mag in a minute or less. I spent hours at the range literally shooting the shit with army buddies. 400 rounds is a day at the range easy.

 

[Arkos]

I grew up with guns but there is really no good reason for somebody to own more than a bolt action rifle and a pump action shotgun.

Sorry we have to maintain our well armed militia