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Wonder why he stabbed his housemates rather than shooting them. Maybe to avoid drawing attention?
Seven Dead, Several Hospitalized in Isla Vista Mass Shooting
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Yea it really put things in perspective. Usually I find that type of posting to just be trolling, but maybe not anymore.
Without a shadow of a doubt.
It's a toxic environment encouraging a vicious cycle of misogyny where, instead of dealing with issues, they receive reinforcement that nothing is their fault and women are the root of all their problems.
This wouldn't be so bad if siloed, but they then step outside into a society filled to the brim with the results of similar thinking. From our media, to our social heirerachy, to our politics - the traces are all there.
More to the point how did he do it without a fuss, were they sleeping or what?
just as he planned in his manifesto, probably his asian room mates plus one other victim
Halcyon
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He said he would do it while they were asleep so I'm assuming it was so the other wouldn't wake up which would allow him to kill them all.
He had this shit planned out.
He easily could have drugged them to the point where they passed out.
That kid must be feeling a crazy wave of emotions right now.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I'm kind of shocked that anyone takes his "creepy" videos at face value. They are so obviously the result of a zero-charisma nerd trying to sound like an anime villain.
Probably, gunshots would have been reported.
It's kind of lucky he didn't kill more people actually.
Yeah, in the manifesto he said he wanted to kill him so he couldn't grow up to be better than him.
Very fucked up.
I think that's part of it, though. It's fucking creepy.
revolverjgw
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He actually says in the manifesto that he was going to hit them in the head with a hammer then stab them while they sleep. Dunno if that's how he did it but obviously he was planning to avoid resistance.
GoldenEye 007
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Yeah he can stab people instead.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I get plenty of douchechills from it, if that's what you mean.
little guy looked up to him too
he wanted to kill him because eventually he would get laid and be superior
I can't even imagine. There has to be a part of him that's relieved his brother didn't make it to him, combined with the anger and sadness of the tragedy. Must be fucking horrible. I'd hate to go through that.
This whole thing is just depressing.
Kai Dracon
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I've never agreed with the "we should ban the names of every killer" mentality.
Where the media does go wrong IMO is in completely obsessive focus on the perpetrator of an act past the facts and rational analysis, in order to pump for ratings at that point. Victims often become secondary to the "sexier" angles. And the media tends to fall back on outrage farming the low-hanging fruit rather than real investigation. (How long until there's multiple reports on this kid playing video games, clearly murder simulators get results?)
I realize the common fear relates to encouraging copycat acts. But I'm not sure how effective censorship really is for that. People who are looking for trouble are going to find it. Refusing to document reality doesn't really improve society in the long run, but addressing underlying problems may. In the case of this kid, it seems that society's misogyny and warped ideals of manhood and sex did far more to contribute fodder than the names of historical murderers being known to the public.
That's really not a fair statement at all. Some of the most successful mass murderers could be quite deceptive in their presentation to people they weren't obsessing over. His hatred rose to the surface whenever he saw love that he could not have.
He probably was calm and somewhat rational when in front of the police. Most psychopathic killers have what has been termed a "mask of sanity"
I think that's what's creepy about them. It would be easy to dismiss them as the silly ramblings of some sad nerd, but he actually is a villain.
Go_Ly_Dow
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crazy to think of the reactions on here if that video was posted before he actually carried it out and we knew he was serious
This is what I was talking about when I posted that.
User 100115
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I thought you disagreed with the majority of the rhetoric the NRA puts out and thought they were going about things in a bad way. Am I misremembering or have you changed your mind?
What is a douchechill?
Devolution
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Title needs an update.
Reading through bits and pieces of the manifesto...
I wonder if he ever shared his thoughts with anyone close? His entire world view is so utterly distorted and unhealthy, that even without the killing and murdering, it would've lead to tragedy in one way or another.
This is an act of deep depression, borne from a fundamentally misaligned world view of wretched romanticism; a self centered egotistical view of the world, with the fates aligning for him - when proven to be false, and all his plans come undone, left at wits end, he lashes out in the only way of significance that he knows how.
I wonder if he ever shared his thoughts with anyone close? His entire world view is so utterly distorted and unhealthy, that even without the killing and murdering, it would've lead to tragedy in one way or another.
This is an act of deep depression, borne from a fundamentally misaligned world view of wretched romanticism; a self centered egotistical view of the world, with the fates aligning for him - when proven to be false, and all his plans come undone, left at wits end, he lashes out in the only way of significance that he knows how.
Overwhelmed by embarrassment for another person essentially.
Avon Barksdale
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The NRA makes gun owners look bad.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
A badly acted and tone deaf "villain rant" isn't validated just because he pulled the trigger. This ain't the Joker. It's a geek.
Dude Abides
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Come on now. Awful hard to stab multiple people driving past them in your car. People can certainly kill without guns but guns sure make it easier.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
That is fair enough. That aspect of the media is a big problem and is very aggravating.
By the sound of it he called his mother crying several times after 'incidents' (read: seeing happy couples enjoying themselves). She raised the alarm, got him therapy, called the police for a housecheck etc.
SteveWinwood
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Maybe they should stop supporting it.
Good point. was thinking the same thing about his "appearing to be sane", being all shy and timid when he wanted to be. But fuck.. guns need to be controlled alot better in the states.. one way or another, for everyones sake.
InFamousRaiden
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did the police disclose how many people have been found from his home ?
is the count higher than 6 ?
is the count higher than 6 ?
JetBlackPanda
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So now we have a maniac that got therapy? People knew he was messed. The cops were called and he still was able to get ahold of a firearm and go on a spree?
Mammoth Jones
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I don't think bashing the NRA is an acceptable in this situation. Of course I disagree with the NRA on some things but the notion that they're at fault for why guys like this do what they do just doesn't resonate with me.
Personally I believe when someone has a slew of youtube video's up and leaves a murder manifesto up they should have the cops come grab them and force them into involuntary commitment and get a judge up (even in the middle of the night) to adjudicate the person as incompetent and keep them locked up until they get treatment.
But if they didn't see the videos they wouldn't be aware of what he was threatening. Do I think seriously disturbed individuals should be institutionalized and have their gun rights pulled? Yes. But the reason that's not the case isn't the NRA no matter how much some may claim. There really don't set rules to how this works. I think the whole "OMG if only nra would not oppose things!" really sells the conversation short.
I remember that, oh man...
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
It's the feeling you get when watching Star Wars Episode II when Anakin basically cries and begs for sex. "I don't like sand" etc.
I get the same feelings from this "creepy" video.
No, 3 is included.
He did killed himself. The confusion was because the deputies were in a shootout with him prior to his death. Only upon autopsy it revealed that he killed himself.
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