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Has anyone figured out the reason for him being so obsessed blonde women in particular? I skimmed a lot of his Manifesto due to the fact that it was making me physically ill.

i feel like it's pretty obvious. blonde women have been the pop-culture ideal in much of the world for decades. every 80/90s action movie has a blonde bombshell damsel in distress.
 
Has anyone figured out the reason for him being so obsessed blonde women in particular? I skimmed a lot of his Manifesto due to the fact that it was making me physically ill.

He probably just had a preference for blonde hair girls. I like black and brown hair better myself. Although I would never turn down a cute girl with any other color hair.
 
the most disquieting thing about this is that it has put on me to this incel subculture, and someone, as so wonderfully exhibited in this blog

http://thatincelblogger.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/elliot-rodger-and-a-note-for-new-arrivals/

do take the time to read this thread that heavily features the same dude, it may be long but it reads like an absolute fever dream,

http://www.cracked.com/forums/topic/142356/fucking-horrifying-documentary-about-26quot3Blove-shy26quot3B-dudes

highlights include asking his mum to have sex with him and wanting an age of consent of 12 for girls and nothing for boys.

I really didn't need this shit sloshing around in my sub conscious at a time when I'm trying to lose my vplates myself, but I'm determined to take any bitterness I've gotten as a result and be a person who goes on to have a happy and fulfilled life.

Ya know. If a person has that much of a need to have sex, the person could always hire a prostitute. A person is never involuntarily celibate
 
Has anyone figured out the reason for him being so obsessed blonde women in particular? I skimmed a lot of his Manifesto due to the fact that it was making me physically ill.

I haven't read his Manifesto, but I think it might have something to do with media's influences on him, convincing him that blondes are the most attractive. He thinks that blondes are the most desirable women and he deserves only the most attractive women, as he is the "perfect" specimen.
 
Har har, just people saying stupid shit on the internets, ignore them they are trolls, har har.

Real talk for a second: That's not trolling. That's not shit talking. That's a very bitter and possibly dangerous person. And what astounds me is he claims these young women are wicked and all that but I bet you he wouldn't hesitate to have sex if they were willing.

Fucking hypocrite. That's just vile.
 
Ya know. If a person has that much of a need to have sex, the person could always hire a prostitute. A person is never involuntarily celibate

Other people have said that he probably saw that as beneath him. He wanted to girls to latch onto him because he was rich and good looking or whatever. Having to pay a girl for attention would prove that hes completely worthless. He thought that money attracted woman no matter what though so I don't see why buying a girl would be a problem in his mindset.
 
Har har, just people saying stupid shit on the internets, ignore them they are trolls, har har.

Funny. Yeah this guy sounds like an anti-feminist extremist. But lets not act like his mentality is commonplace. There are wackjobs on the internet for every ideology on earth.
 
Real talk for a second: That's not trolling. That's not shit talking. That's a very bitter and possibly dangerous person. And what astounds me is he claims these young women are wicked and all that but I bet you he wouldn't hesitate to have sex if they were willing.

Fucking hypocrite. That's just vile.

Yeah. And so many people are flocking behind him as some sort of antihero and it's fucking disgusting and terrifying.
 
Can we talk about the thought that this kid could do anything with his wealth? It wasn't really his wealth. Everything fancy he had was given to him. I think he wanted his own money/power. He had to beg his mom to buy him his bmw and a laptop. You can't really do whatever you want if your source of money comes from begging for it. This is probably why he was so desperate to win the lottery. He needed his own money before he could truly do whatever he wanted.
 
Funny. Yeah this guy sounds like an anti-feminist extremist. But lets not act like his mentality is commonplace. There are wackjobs on the internet for every ideology on earth.

And in each corner there's someone crazy enough to actually do something. Its not all fun and harmless. If someone were to do say that kind of shit at a bar or gathering just 20 years ago, they'd be hemmed up on the spot by any cop around and everyone in attendance that wasn't there to sip the same koolaid would rat them out ASAP.

Times change. People do that kind of thing on the internet now. Its not harmless or all in fun. And every time someone reassures another in the way that this guy and plenty of others have been, they're validating.

"Shaming" is vague and can mean a lot of things. Validating is a push in a certain direction - the only thing vague about it is that the person doing the validating is never going to be 100% sure of where that push is leading.
 
I think simply blaming all his behaviour on his mental illness isn't doing favours as well. For one thing, it's putting others with mental illnesses in the same group, and secondly, having a mental illness does not cause people to go out and murder others.

Hate does.

blaming "mental illness" as the reason for his behavior is a copout and removes all notion that we as human beings make choices in our lives and eventually we will be held accountable for those choices
 

You're right. Its not about sex with him.

But you're wrong. Its not about a relationship either. What about this guy says that he ever wanted to be on equal footing in any shape fashion or form with a woman? Why do you think that a relationship would fix any of that? If anything he'd just add to the number of women killed by their partner - which is how most murdered women are killed. By their partner.
 
I don't have time to read this whole manifesto, but are there any times when this guy legitimately and sincerely approached a girl and was rejected? It sounds like all this rejections he whines about are mostly imagined slights. "I can't believe those girls didn't smile back at me!" or "She gave me a bad look."

I read the entire thing, and he never made a single move on a girl or even attempted to ask anyone out.

The thing that keeps jumping out at me is the fact that he HAD friends. Nerdy friends, sure, but friends nonetheless. He also looked down on people during high school who he considered beneath him.

Then in college, he insulted one of his roommates for having an "ugly" girl in their apartment.

It seems clear that this kid had the chance to have a very normal life with friends AND a girlfriend, but he had these impossibly high standards for everything. Houses, cars, clothes, his own appearance, but especially his friends and girls he liked.

He couldn't accept anything that wasn't up to his standards. I guess he didn't realize that the vast majority of his friends and acquaintances who bragged about having sex certainly weren't doing it with supermodels...which seemed to be the only girls he was attracted to.
 
Can we talk about the thought that this kid could do anything with his wealth? It wasn't really his wealth. Everything fancy he had was given to him. I think he wanted his own money/power. He had to beg his mom to buy him his bmw and a laptop. You can't really do whatever you want if your source of money comes from begging for it. This is probably why he was so desperate to win the lottery. He needed his own money before he could truly do whatever he wanted.

If he wanted his own money he should have focused on finding a job to earn it himself. I think that was also a part of the problem: This guy had WAY too much time on his hands to feel sorry for himself.

But everything I've read about this tells me that that is the key thing: He didn't want to work hard. For anything. He just wanted it to all happen (hence expecting the lotto to pay off). But without any effort on his part.
 
blaming "mental illness" as the reason for his behavior is a copout and removes all notion that we as human beings make choices in our lives and eventually we will be held accountable for those choices
We are not sentient automatons with perfectly rational behavior. No one is trying to excuse his behavior.
 
Can we talk about the thought that this kid could do anything with his wealth? It wasn't really his wealth. Everything fancy he had was given to him. I think he wanted his own money/power. He had to beg his mom to buy him his bmw and a laptop. You can't really do whatever you want if your source of money comes from begging for it. This is probably why he was so desperate to win the lottery. He needed his own money before he could truly do whatever he wanted.

He was obsessed with getting laid, and everything else was just a means to that end.

I guess you could say he wanted to have a lot of money before he approached girls, but he already had a bunch of things that he thought would make him attractive, and still didn't really approach anyone. It seems he believed that if he became attractive enough women would just throw themselves on him. Winning the lottery was just his next plan to become some sort of super human chick magnet. But it wouldn't have worked, and he would have just moved onto a different obsession in an attempt to become more attractive, even if he had won the lottery.
 
the most disquieting thing about this is that it has put on me to this incel subculture, and someone, as so wonderfully exhibited in this blog

http://thatincelblogger.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/elliot-rodger-and-a-note-for-new-arrivals/

do take the time to read this thread that heavily features the same dude, it may be long but it reads like an absolute fever dream,

http://www.cracked.com/forums/topic/142356/fucking-horrifying-documentary-about-26quot3Blove-shy26quot3B-dudes

highlights include asking his mum to have sex with him and wanting an age of consent of 12 for girls and nothing for boys.

I really didn't need this shit sloshing around in my sub conscious at a time when I'm trying to lose my vplates myself, but I'm determined to take any bitterness I've gotten as a result and be a person who goes on to have a happy and fulfilled life.

sippin the fuck out of my drink right now
 
We're at a time when millions of people chose not to be in a relationship and prefer to live alone. It's not a forced situation, they chose to live this type of lifestyle. People have other priorities besides sex. But try telling a young guy that sex isn't that big of a deal and that relationships are not always great. They can't comprehend this because they grow up with this obsession about sex and start getting all hung up about it.

Divorce rates are at an all time high, and the amount of divorcee who chose not to marry again has never been higher. Trust me, relationships can be a big pain in the ass. It's not always nirvanna. This doesn't translate to young guys if they haven't experienced a relationship before. And even when it's a social situation where they're not so good with the ladies, guys can grow up living a full and happy life. It's not weird or unnatural, and it's certainly not uncommon to live without a sexual partner. It's definitely not the end of the world and it's certainly not worth getting all obsessed and psychopathic over. Perhaps that seems hard to understand, but it's true. Sex really isn't that big of a deal.

So what you're saying is men with no experience with women shouldn't even try because it's not all sunshine and roses anyway. So they shouldn't bother trying to build a life with the opposite sex, having kids etc? Basically a normal part of being alive.

Come on man.
 
No one? I have a better troll radar than most (e.g. I immediately knew that Chad Warden was a farce, and I was only a teen at the time). Looking at the comments, I'd say there are at least a handful of real comments. And why would that be hard to believe? There are a lot of guys who think that western women are corrupted by feminism.

Also, the troll detection game has changed. If I had seen these videos earlier, I would've guessed for sure that the killer was like Chad Warden, mocking what he was purporting to be.

No one is saying arrest people for posts. People are suggesting that fuck it - why not take them seriously? Especially with all those that would be giving away all of the same signs in person anyways.

And calling someone out isn't always 'shaming' either. Someone telling you that you are wrong, whether its one person or the first 20 to see it, isn't shaming. Its a lot of people catching at once that you're wrong at the same time. Its okay to be wrong. It won't kill you.

the most disquieting thing about this is that it has put on me to this incel subculture, and someone, as so wonderfully exhibited in this blog

http://thatincelblogger.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/elliot-rodger-and-a-note-for-new-arrivals/

do take the time to read this thread that heavily features the same dude, it may be long but it reads like an absolute fever dream,

http://www.cracked.com/forums/topic/142356/fucking-horrifying-documentary-about-26quot3Blove-shy26quot3B-dudes

highlights include asking his mum to have sex with him and wanting an age of consent of 12 for girls and nothing for boys.

I really didn't need this shit sloshing around in my sub conscious at a time when I'm trying to lose my vplates myself, but I'm determined to take any bitterness I've gotten as a result and be a person who goes on to have a happy and fulfilled life.

Maybe I was being optimistic to think that most men aren't getting suckered into this shit, but after reading that vitriol, I'm second guessing myself.

Why are us guys so dumb?
 
So what you're saying is men with no experience with women shouldn't even try because it's not all sunshine and roses anyway. So they shouldn't bother trying to build a life with the opposite sex, having kids etc? Basically a normal part of being alive.

Come on man.

I don't think that's what's being said. I think the point was that we as a society put so much emphasis on sex that people think that without it they and their lives are meaningless.

Or am I a little off in my interpretation? lol

Maybe I was being optimistic to think that most men aren't getting suckered into this shit, but after reading that vitriol, I'm second guessing myself.

Why are us guys so dumb?

It's definitely not most. But some guys really do feel they are owed sex.

I do think there is a larger-than-expected amount of really bitter dudes just seething at their own social ineptitude.
 
So what you're saying is men with no experience with women shouldn't even try because it's not all sunshine and roses anyway. So they shouldn't bother trying to build a life with the opposite sex, having kids etc? Basically a normal part of being alive.

Come on man.
I'm pretty sure he means it's good being aware that getting laid is not the alpha and omega of life, as some young people think.
 
He was obsessed with getting laid, and everything else was just a means to that end.

I guess you could say he wanted to have a lot of money before he approached girls, but he already had a bunch of things that he thought would make him attractive, and still didn't really approach anyone. It seems he believed that if he became attractive enough women would just throw themselves on him. Winning the lottery was just his next plan to become some sort of super human chick magnet. But it wouldn't have worked, and he would have just moved onto a different obsession in an attempt to become more attractive, even if he had won the lottery.

I understand what your saying and agree. I'm not trying to argue against that. I just saw people on youtube comments saying things like why didn't he just use his money to move to a better place to meet girls and stuff like that. I was just trying to say that he himself wasn't rich.
 
The world is populating just fine. I just think it's completely insane that so many people are relating to this guy, as if somehow all them 'bitches' not giving him the time of day were the problem and not the crazy asshole who flew into a murderous rage because a stranger didn't smile at him.

It's a terrifying time to be a woman right now.

I think people and especially the media are overlooking that several of the killer's victims were male. He seemed full of hatred and not all of it was directed at women.
 
the most disquieting thing about this is that it has put on me to this incel subculture, and someone, as so wonderfully exhibited in this blog

http://thatincelblogger.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/elliot-rodger-and-a-note-for-new-arrivals/

do take the time to read this thread that heavily features the same dude, it may be long but it reads like an absolute fever dream,

http://www.cracked.com/forums/topic/142356/fucking-horrifying-documentary-about-26quot3Blove-shy26quot3B-dudes

highlights include asking his mum to have sex with him and wanting an age of consent of 12 for girls and nothing for boys.

I really didn't need this shit sloshing around in my sub conscious at a time when I'm trying to lose my vplates myself, but I'm determined to take any bitterness I've gotten as a result and be a person who goes on to have a happy and fulfilled life.

I can't believe people have...actually, you know what, I can believe it. What a warped world these men have developed in their minds.
 
the way he speaks and writes, reminds me of Ryan Phillippe's character Sebastian from Cruel Intentions....well besides Sebastian always getting some.

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Holy shit he does.
 
i feel like it's pretty obvious. blonde women have been the pop-culture ideal in much of the world for decades. every 80/90s action movie has a blonde bombshell damsel in distress.

That's true. Someone mentioned him having 80's type music in his videos, I didn't pick up on any of it due to my internal screaming.

He probably just had a preference for blonde hair girls. I like black and brown hair better myself. Although I would never turn down a cute girl with any other color hair.
As a light haired female I am even more creeped out by this guys preference.

I haven't read his Manifesto, but I think it might have something to do with media's influences on him, convincing him that blondes are the most attractive. He thinks that blondes are the most desirable women and he deserves only the most attractive women, as he is the "perfect" specimen.
Yeah that makes the most sense to me, I just wanted to make sure I was right in my assumption.
 
I think people and especially the media are overlooking that several of the killer's victims were male. He seemed full of hatred and not all of it was directed at women.

Yes, several of his victims were male. But if you read his manifesto, you know that everything he wrote was because of his hatred of women. Yes, he was jealous of the men that were with the women as well, but he wasn't wanting to lock them in concentration camps and starve them to death.

So this is all a reaction to PUA Hate and comments on a youtube video? Come on now.

No it's in reaction to people supporting this guy EVERYWHERE.
 
At the end of the day, even if he had sex or a girlfriend, he would have then obsessed over something else. A breakup, how much money he makes, getting old (omg those other people are young and I'm getting old!), etc. There's no reason to think it would have ended even if he was in a good relationship with someone. He would have found more reasons to hate people.

edit: Does he ever get caught for splashing drinks on people? It sounds to me like he might have made up some of that.

No it's in reaction to people supporting this guy EVERYWHERE.

Define "everywhere", Hyperbolator.
 
I think people and especially the media are overlooking that several of the killer's victims were male. He seemed full of hatred and not all of it was directed at women.
Mass shootings/bombings are messy like that.
 
I cannot stress enough that even had this guy gotten 'laid' or gotten a girlfriend, he still would have been an entitled, mysoginistic asshole. Anyone who relates to him is basically agreeing that this guy was owed sex and therefore justified in taking his revenge.


Reading those statements on this forum I will have to say you are wrong. In fact the one guy who I noticed to get banned denied identifying with him. The mods wouldn't have put up with such posters if they saw things the way you did bit they didn't.

:|
 
I think people and especially the media are overlooking that several of the killer's victims were male. He seemed full of hatred and not all of it was directed at women.

There certainly is a lot more going on here than hating women, he seems to have a smorgasbord of issues, each one giving a psychiatrist decades worth of study material individually.
 
All of his attempts at changing were superficial at best. The Dating Age thread for instance always stresses how merely buying clothing, getting haircuts, and working out, while helpful, are ultimately useless without introspection. Elliot never looked within himself and concluded that his mindset was the problem. No, it was an unfair system where he fell on the end that was getting screwed over. Some of his anecdotes suggest that he honestly thought he was the only one on Earth not having women fall all over him.

Feeling lonely? Occasionally feeling jealous at seeing other couples? At a dead end where you feel like nothing is working? Fine. It's perfectly fine to encounter feeling like these. Elliot, however, deluded himself into thinking that he was somehow above encountering these emotions. It's akin to arguing that one shouldn't have to feel sorrow because of them being rich, good-looking, etc. Crazy shit.

One of the best pieces of advice I've ever gotten came from a girl who rejected me (and I'm still very close with on a platonic level):

"How can I love you if you don't even love yourself?"

I think about it at least once a week. It sounds so simple, but it's the truth.
 
Why are you guys discussing his experiences as if you had lived them? Wasn't he on some medication for a psychotic condition? That would mean any action he performed or situation he perceived was not necessarily determined by any internal logic, let alone an absolute one.
 
Why are you guys discussing his experiences as if you had lived them? Wasn't he on some medication for a psychotic condition? That would mean any action he performed or situation he perceived was not necessarily determined by any internal logic, let alone an absolute one.

He was prescribed medication but refused to take it.
 
He murdered his roommates in his sleep and was planning to kill his brother.

Because they lived with him and it was pretty clear that he hated them. That was clearly targeted and planned. You're talking about actual shooting on campus though? There's not a lock-on feature for that kind of thing.
 
At the end of the day, even if he had sex or a girlfriend, he would have then obsessed over something else. A breakup, how much money he makes, getting old (omg those other people are young and I'm getting old!), etc. There's no reason to think it would have ended even if he was in a good relationship with someone. He would have found more reasons to hate people.

It would have ended poorly for anyone he would have been involved with because he views women as fundamentally beneath him. He viewed them as livestock: Just a thing to provide for his needs.

At the end of the day his entitlement complex and his lack of empathy for others were the fuel for his rage.
 
As a light haired female I am even more creeped out by this.

Can you explain to me why what I said was creepy? I'm sorry if it was. I was just trying to say that I like black and brown hair color best. Its not important enough for me to turn down a girl if one were to ask me out is what I was trying to say. Rodger would probably see any girl without blonde hair as beneath him. That is pretty creepy.
 
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