X-Men: Days of Future Past |OT| aka The Last Stand aka First Class 2 aka Wolverine 6
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David Incorporated Esq.
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Saw it today and it was a really solid movie with good drama and surprisingly good acting. Great stuff all around.
Yeah, they may have tried to retcon that, but she is still their first attempt at Emma Frost in an X-Men film. They shouldn't have reintroduced her after that. I guess it isn't as much of a plothole as much as it was a terrible decision if First Class wasn't going to be a reboot. Regardless, X3, Origins, and First Class just destroy any timeline that would work without plotholes.
I wouldn't take that too literally. They did enhance his claws considerably, making him severely more lethal. I would guess that is a nod to that. Without his bone claws the metal claws wouldn't work at all.
Weren't bone claws a retcon in the comics?
You're ranking matches mine to a tee I think. The wolverine i liked quite a bit despite the third act. Did a great job with his character IMO.
Chezzymann
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Are you in houston? The same exact thing just happened to me. Maybe we were in the same theater.
Discotheque
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I didn't really like the last act of wolverine but it was refreshing to see a smaller contained story with a comic book character
Id probably put it ahead of first class too
Id probably put it ahead of first class too
No I'm in Hampton, VA. I'm sitting here for the 9pm show now. So much for being at work on time tomorrow morning.
neurosisxeno
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My assumption is that the Weapon X program will have been independant of things with Trask Industries. In fact, it's kind of strange that without Trask dying Stryker would have even gone through with it, but I guess at that point he was already committed to tooling around with mutants.
Better question is how is Jean alive. Apparently they are going to somehow say the whole Phoenix Saga would have never happened without the Sentinel Program which makes almost no sense but they've already shit all over the timeline anyway.
Seems like it;
Well they weren't really revealed until Magneto ripped all the adamantium out of Wolverine.
Well
Professor X saw the future through Logan's mind and saw what happened with Jean, so I assume he took the steps prevent that whole catastrophe. Still doesn't explain why he's alive in the future though.
I liked the movie a lot but it's not perfect and brings up a lot of questions. Curious where they'll go from here as it kinds of wraps everything up with a nice bow. But I doubt they'll give up Fassbender and Mcavoy if they can.
Well if he prevents Jean from going crazy in X3, then he wouldn't have died in the first place.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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The original Weapon X miniseries pretty clearly states that Weapon X added the claws.
There were also pictures like this:
That clearly showed they were mechanical and not natural
Then yes, but not in the bad future. That's never explained.
I've never liked the bone claws. Always felt it took away from his Weapon X time and lessened what it changed for him.
Also that it didn't seem to make much sense as a power. He has healing factor, and randomly also has claws? Worked better when they were added to him when he got his skeleton.
Also that it didn't seem to make much sense as a power. He has healing factor, and randomly also has claws? Worked better when they were added to him when he got his skeleton.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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The only reason they exist is because Marvel did a storyline about the Adamantium getting ripped out without telling the writer of the Wolverine comic and he had to think of a way to get Wolverine back to normal without ruining what he had been plotting.
I wouldn't mind if it got retconned away again.
Their time travel isn't circular like that. X is alive in Bad Future because I guess that dumb bullshit X3 set up about him mind-hopping to Moira McTaggert's lab worked and also got him the exact same body.
Also, time travel stories are dumb.
I was referring to the character in the film. As far as the comics go? Technically it is now part of his mutation, even if it was retconned in.
roflwaffles
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His claws are part of his mutation, he gets his adamantium back after Magneto rips it all out of his body when he becomes Apocalypse's horseman.
HomerSimpson-Man
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This reminds me in the 90s X-men cartoons they got around it during a World War 2 storyline with Wolverine with a more elegant if not simple solution by him using special clawed groves. Using the bone claws retcon seemed like such a waste, it's like they forgot he is a top soldier with heightened senses and healing factors that made him deadly long before the adamantium claws, but they had to give an excuse to have some kind of claws back. His knowledge of weapons and fighting prowess seems to be easily missed.
Just got back from seeing it. This was so freaking amazing I don't know where to start. Definitely only behind X2 in terms of X-men films.
I was actually fairly impressed with the character work done in this for a comic book film as well, and the ending . . . well, I was grinning like a stupid school boy.
I was actually fairly impressed with the character work done in this for a comic book film as well, and the ending . . . well, I was grinning like a stupid school boy.
Earthanoid
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I saw it last night and thought it was great. It'd be my favorite X-Men movie, over X2, except for all the continuity issues it creates. Nonetheless it's impressive how well they pulled it off given tha
But I suppose they can explain stuff away in the next movie.
t it's basically "let's undo everything that happened in Last Stand."
TheVampire
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How do you guys think the Sentinels would be able to deal with Quicksilver if he was there with them in the future?
With his speed its like time is frozen.
Or would he just be only able to avoid them but not do any damage?
With his speed its like time is frozen.
Or would he just be only able to avoid them but not do any damage?
Well it's made clear that the Sentinels can adapt to any mutant power. So they likely would have used his superspeed against him.
Like I said in the spoiler thread,
I'm going to assume that her bright red hair color in the ending scene indicates a Phoenix Saga of some kind happened since her hair was a more "natural" red in X2. So I'm going to assume X1 and X2 happened and some totally awesome X3 and X4 "Phoenix Saga" movies were actually made in an alternate universe.
I don't see how he could really hurt them. I don't think the sentinels were able to take his super speed though, or else the movie would've ended so much faster.
HassanJamal
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Movie was good. The sentinels, holy crap are they scary. I was pleasantly surprised to see
. Not much I can complain about it. In fact, Im excited for this reboot. Everything is good, I guess. Oh was that
? Also that
needs to be giffed. That and the hilarious visually weak
scene.
Kelsey Grammer and the other previous actors from X1-3 to pop up alive
Aaron Johnson Tyler as Apocalypse
magnificent Magneto float off
Wolverine flung to river
Lee Chaolan
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Going to see this today, kept things pretty blind going in. Very hype!
oh, I had thought you meant at the end.
Xavier is alive in the original, dark future because of X3's post-credits scene.
ratcliffja
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Yeah but not like Colossus strong. He's essentially an exaggeration of the Native American warrior stereotype.
MaxwellGames
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Not exactly a retcon.. because they had never really said one way or the other if the claws were there prior to the metal injections.
Logically, they'd have to be attached to his muscles and nervous systems to be able to have that level of control.
They did use it as a shocker moment though in the comics..
Oh the wipe button goes back much further than that like
all the way back to 1973, so in reality NONE of the previous movies happened
MaxwellGames
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...crap, sorry.
I can get behind this.
As a fan of Singer's X-Men, I like First Class more than most lol.
That's not really true.
Logan is still with the X-Men, Rogue is still there and has the white streak in her hair, Jean still is/was Phoenix. Much, if not all, of the first two movies still exist in the new future.
The word from Singer and Kinberg is that the previous movies have been revised rather than outright erased
The word from Singer and Kinberg is that the previous movies have been revised rather than outright erased
crimsonspider89
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Oh yeah. Watched the movie last night on a stream.
This movie was no where near as good as people acted like.
Yeah the Magneto/Xavier/Logan parts were good but majority of the cast was just there for cool fight scenes.
It is pretty bad when Hawkeye from the Avengers had more of a character than the future characters.
And for the love of god, please get the X2 scriptwriter back.
And someone reign in Singer's visual aesthetics opinion.
This movie was no where near as good as people acted like.
Yeah the Magneto/Xavier/Logan parts were good but majority of the cast was just there for cool fight scenes.
It is pretty bad when Hawkeye from the Avengers had more of a character than the future characters.
And for the love of god, please get the X2 scriptwriter back.
And someone reign in Singer's visual aesthetics opinion.
BronsonLee
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IdreamofHIME
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Very slow burner,but worth it for the ending. All the pieces were put into place and then blasted with a cannon.
Kudos to Singer, I really didn't think he had it in him.
Kudos to Singer, I really didn't think he had it in him.
Yeah. They really emphasized the
"time is a river"
So they were able to make modifications to improve the future but a lot of what was going to happen would still happen with only slight modification
edit: revised with spoiler tags just in case
Pai Pai Master
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And it was left intentionally vague so they're not already writing themselves into corners. Speculation is fine and all but it's probably impossible to make any reasl sense of what they are keeping/retconning from the established canon of movies before DOFP, other than what they've already said and shown explicitly.
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BronsonLee
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You...don't need to watch it
Edit: Wait you need to specify which movie you're talking about
If you're talking about The Wolverine, you can ignore it. There's a post-credit scene in TW that references events that will happen in DoFP, but that's it. The main story is completely irrelevant.
If you talking about First Class, though, it would be wise to watch it. Majority of DoFP is about young Charles, Erik, Raven and Beast - characters that were introduced and developed in FC. Also, some events presented in DoFP are straight continuation of events from FC. It's not necessarily, but it will help you understand the characters' motives and, well, you will care more about those characters. Because young Charles, Erik and Raven are completely different from their older selves.
Emperor Bohe
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The Last Stand.
@Mr Zombie: I watched the Wolverine movie a few years ago but it seem like I missed X4. I will grab a DVD tomorrow. Thanks for the replies, you were very helpful!
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