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[C.Olimar788]

Stage looks nice visually, but... is it seriously ANOTHER walkoff? Y'know, there's a reason why the original SSB only had one walkoff stage to its name - they're kinda contrary to the point of SSB's gameplay. :s

 

[georly]

we sure seem to have a lot of walk-offs this time

Looks pretty at least. Seems slightly generic, but if it's a recurring location like you guys say then I guess I'll buy it.

Yeah this is the only thing bumming me out about smash 4 so far. Everything else looks dope

Yeah, I think that since sakurai created the 'final destination mode', he has been able to justify doing less 'traditional' stages. :/ Oh well. I really with there was a 'battlefield' mode for all of these, too. Or a 'kinda like battlefield, but the platforms are laid out slightly differently.'

 

[NeonZ]

I think you're creating the problem by yourselves by adding up stages from two versions of the game. The only other walk off stages in the Wii U version are Wii Fit and Mario Galaxy.

 

[C.Olimar788]

I think you're creating the problem by yourselves by adding up stages from two versions of the game. The only other walk off stages in the Wii U version are Wii Fit and Mario Galaxy.

And the Boxing Ring and Skyloft - though the latter will only have temporary walkoff edges.

I don't know if adding up the stages to make a general assumption about the two games' content is a bad thing, though, since we'll only know a handful of the stages before release and Sakurai would presumably want to reveal a variety of stages for the two games, so if he puts out, say, 25% walkoff stages (this is not the actual percent) then it's not unreasonable to assume that each individual game will have roughly that percentage of walkoff stages.

 

[georly]

And the Boxing Ring and Skyloft - though the latter will only have temporary walkoff edges.

I don't know if adding up the stages to make a general assumption about the two games' content is a bad thing, though, since we'll only know a handful of the stages before release and Sakurai would presumably want to reveal a variety of stages for the two games, so if he puts out, say, 25% walkoff stages (this is not the actual percent) then it's not unreasonable to assume that each individual game will have roughly that percentage of walkoff stages.

One of my saddest thoughts is 'What if the 3DS version has the best stage(s) but the Wii U version is my favorite?'

 

[Caladrius]

I actually guessed something right for once?

Well it almost makes up for the infestation of jumping spiders I just found.

Spoiler

E3 plz com fastr

 

[Princess_Eevee9]

I actually guessed something right for once?

Well it almost makes up for the infestation of jumping spiders I just found.

Spoiler

E3 plz com fastr

Let's will the weekend away so it can be Monday already.

 

[zroid]

woooooooooooo

 

[NeonZ]

And the Boxing Ring and Skyloft - though the latter will only have temporary walkoff edges.

Boxing Ring is a walkoff stage? I remember there was a cutscene in the trailers showing someone walking outside of the ring, but have we seen that in gameplay?

Skyloft isn't really the same though. The walk offs being temporary pretty much kills their main problem.

 

[Lord_Byron28]

Stage looks nice visually, but... is it seriously ANOTHER walkoff? Y'know, there's a reason why the original SSB only had one walkoff stage to its name - they're kinda contrary to the point of SSB's gameplay. :s

Brawl had 13 stages where the stage was a walk off or parts of the stage were walk offs.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I like that new stage!

 

[emb]

Are walkoffs still necessarily a fairness problem? Regardless, I agree that they aren't much fun. Takes away the whole fun of the edge guarding game. But if Dedede's down throw is changed, and Fox (obviously) can't waveshine, are walk offs still automatically banned?

 

[Kjellson]

This weekend will be a long one.

 

[C.Olimar788]

One of my saddest thoughts is 'What if the 3DS version has the best stage(s) but the Wii U version is my favorite?'

This is why I am crossing my fingers for the (unlikely) chance of a "3DS stage pack" DLC of some sort for the Wii U. I don't like the idea of the console version of Smash Bros. not being the definitive version.

Brawl had 13 stages where the stage was a walk off or parts of the stage were walk offs.

It also had the worst-designed set of stages in the entire series, and having too many walkoffs contributed to that.

 

[Princess_Eevee9]

Are walkoffs still necessarily a fairness problem? Regardless, I agree that they aren't much fun. Takes away the whole fun of the edge guarding game. But if Dedede's down throw is changed, and Fox (obviously) can't waveshine, are walk offs still automatically banned?

I thought edge-guarding was done away with already?

 

[-Horizon-]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ei3-Qo9wHH4 Incoming hype!

This seriously needs to be on every page leading up to the day.

 

[Boss Doggie]

I wish Pokken is real

 

[georly]

I thought edge-guarding was done away with already?

It's been.. changed. We just don't know how. We've made assumptions, but some assume that if you have a higher percentage you can still edge guard.

 

[zroid]

dat chiseled jawline

 

[Caladrius]

This weekend will be a long one.

Treasure the anticipation, for this is the last pre-Smash E3 we'll have for a long time.

Let's will the weekend away so it can be Monday already.

A tempting proposition...

But how will I finish more backlog games beforehand?

 

[-Horizon-]

I wish Pokken is real

What makes you think it isn't real right now?
#BelieveHarder

 

[C.Olimar788]

Edge guarding is more than just edge hogging, in any case. Even if edge hogging has been nerfed or removed (rest in peace, sweet prince) edge guarding will be as important as ever.

 

[emb]

I thought edge-guarding was done away with already?

I know, close enough, right?

Nah, Brawl's edge guarding isn't too bad. Characters still have limited options as they're falling back on, and edge hogging stuff can still happen if you grab at the right time. No idea how 4 works yet, really, just that it's changed.

 

[georly]

Edge guarding is more than just edge hogging, in any case. Even if edge hogging has been nerfed or removed (rest in peace, sweet prince) edge guarding will be as important as ever.

Oops, yeah, I meant edge hogging. Coffee hasn't kicked in yet.

 

[Xpike]

This weekend will be a long one.

Seriously considering freezing myself from here to Monday.

 

[Revven]

Tournament thread for Super SWEET, a stacked Midwest tournament that features Mang0, M2K, and Armada: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=115006618

 

[Princess_Eevee9]

This seriously needs to be on every page leading up to the day.

Let's do it~. Or perhaps hist post it daily!

I wish Pokken is real

Who knows. Onit E3 can decide.

It's been.. changed. We just don't know how. We've made assumptions, but some assume that if you have a higher percentage you can still edge guard.

I see.

dat chiseled jawline

Marth likes great in the shot too.

Treasure the anticipation, for this is the last pre-Smash E3 we'll have for a long time.


A tempting proposition...

But how will I finish more backlog games beforehand?

!!!! Good point. Can one will away the weekend yet tell self to game as well? =0

I know, close enough, right?

Nah, Brawl's edge guarding isn't too bad. Characters still have limited options as they're falling back on, and edge hogging stuff can still happen if you grab at the right time. No idea how 4 works yet, really, just that it's changed.

Ah. Hoping it'll be more manageable and not broken.

Seriously considering freezing myself from here to Monday.

Might just play games all weekend to distract from the hype.

 

[Tathanen]

Maybe this stage will actually end up being like the Metal Gear Solid stage. Namely, you can only kill someone off the top of the screen, unless maybe you knock down one of the side walls. Would fit the Colosseum theme better I think, since it's an enclosed ring.

 

[-Horizon-]

Seriously considering freezing myself from here to Monday.

That will surely end well.

 

[IntelliHeath]

 

[-Horizon-]

My heart, it can't.

 

[Dr. Buni]

Very nice.

Call me crazy, but I miss the blocky graphics of the original Smash Bros.

 

[Forkball]

The song immediately started to play in my head when I saw this.

 

[Mariolee]

The song immediately started to play in my head when I saw this.

I was about to post the exact same thing.

 

[OmegaSmash]

Very nice.

Call me crazy, but I miss the blocky graphics of the original Smash Bros.

Same. Sometimes I wish there were games that tried to emulate that low poly look of the N64. but I understand why people don't.

Oh and Smash 64 still has the best intro of the franchise.

 

[Beelzebufo]

We need more Ike Pics
Samurai plsss

So hyped! almost there!

I'm sure with all the footage we will have some deep analysis of playstyles

Also I hope Nintendo takes notes of issues that people may find in order to balance the game a little more...

Quick, ask for something cool on Monday! He's listening to you.

 

[Hot Coldman]

I do like that the Smash 4 reveal trailer had a similar run down of all the "main" Nintendo stars.

 

[georly]

Very nice.

Call me crazy, but I miss the blocky graphics of the original Smash Bros.

I still want N64 models as alternate costumes for the original 12 vets.

Blast to the past:

IGN review for Super Smash Bros on N64

Presentation - 8
12 famous mascot characters and plenty of locations based on famous Nintendo franchises.
Graphics - 8
Nice graphical effects and well-drawn backgrounds. On the other hand, low poly models, some ugly textures and pixelated sprite objects.
Sound - 8
Many of Nintendo's most famous melodies and sound effects return. Points off for NOA's unnecessary sound editing.
Gameplay - 9
Easy to pick up, great controls and simple yet addictive gameplay. Just don't expect a fighting game in the traditional sense.
Lasting Appeal - 8
The one-player mode is the game's biggest weakness, but the multiplayer battles rock.

OVERALL - 8.5 -Great (out of 10, not an average)

Edit: First ever video i saw of smash bros. The video that changed EVERYTHING for me. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2xmMxx9KZ8

also, this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJPXS7NLn_U

 

[IntelliHeath]

Also I want to point out something similar between 64 and Smash 4 Reveal Trailers. Watch end of the GIFs

 

[wheapon]

This is why I am crossing my fingers for the (unlikely) chance of a "3DS stage pack" DLC of some sort for the Wii U. I don't like the idea of the console version of Smash Bros. not being the definitive version.


It also had the worst-designed set of stages in the entire series, and having too many walkoffs contributed to that.

I don't think you'll need to worry about the 3ds version being definitive due to the controls. That said, I don't like that we're missing out on some of the stages on both versions.

 

[SoldnerKei]

The song immediately started to play in my head when I saw this.

you're not alone on that... I love that game

 

[Benzychenz]

R

Spoiler

obin

confirmed

Wow that spoiler was... a legit spoiler. Thanks.

 

[random25]

Wow...seeing that makes me feel so old for some reason lol.

 

[J@hranimo]

Greatness.

I love this intro. So whimsical and imaginative!

 

[Lunar15]

Shame FE can't get a less generic stage.

Anywho, I wonder what kinds of platforms the "controls" will make.

 

[georly]

Posting my list of demo questions again. I'm confident that with nintendo world playing the game for 50+ hours all of these should get answered.

List of E3 things we need answered by people playing the demo (updated):

Character Based:

1. Final Smash for Mario
2. Final Smash for Link
3. Final Smash for Olimar
4. Final Smash for Zelda
5. Final Smash for Pikachu
6. Final Smash for Marth
7. Final Smash for Fox
8. Final Smash for Sonic (likely the same)
9. Final Smash for Zero Suit Samus
10. Final Smash for DK
11. Final Smash for Bowser
12. Wii Fit Trainer's Kirby Hat
13. Rosalina's Kirby Hat AND power (olimar's neutral b is summon pikmin, but kirby's olimar power is to throw a random pikmin)
14. Little Mac's Kirby Hat
15. Mega Man's Kirby Hat
16. Greninja's Kirby Hat
17. Villager's Kirby Hat
18. Olimar's Kirby Hat power - does it throw pikmin in order?
19. All Taunts for Little Mac
20. All Taunts for Rosalina
21. All Taunts for Mega Man
22. All Taunts for Greninja
23. All Taunts for Wii Fit Trainer
24. All Taunts for Villager
25. Any new taunts for playable veterans
26. Mechanics of Villager's Down B (what happens when you use down b and already have a tree out somewhere else)
27. General differences in character mechanics vs brawl (Link's new up air is an example, as well as DK's roll)
28. How easy/frequent is it to fill little mac's KO meter?
29. Details on luma mechanics. How does it behave, particularly when left alone? We have assumptions but no concrete facts.
30. Luma Health mechanics. (How much health does it have before it disappears? 1 hit? 10%? 50%?)
31. Luma colors? Why is it sometimes a different color? Random?
32. Actual mechanics behind Wii Fit Trainer's Breathing. Is it timed? Does it buff all attacks/specials? How big is the buff? Is it just percentage, or knockback, or both?
33. Does Samus' bomb (down+B) explode on contact, or on a timer? (requested by Karsticles)
34. Why does Zelda's phantom slash have 2 different types of slashes? Does it just just depend on how long you charge it?
35. How does Zelda's phantom slash work in the air? Can you charge it?

Item Based:

1. How does the beetle item work? Does it pull people off screen?
2. Who does the blue shell target? Most stock? Smallest percent?
3. What is the chest item? Is it just another container (like box or barrel?)
4. How does cucco item work? Does it have to be hit? What happens when it triggers?
5. How much percent does fairy heal?
6. Are there any assist trophies in the demo that weren't in smash direct/dojo?
7. Are there any pokeballs in the demo that weren't in smash direct/dojo?

Stage Based:

1. How many transformations does Mushroom Kingdom U have?
2. If Pyrosphere is playable, what are Ridley's Boss mechanics?

General (non-character-specific) Mechanics:

1. Are character INTROS back? (Mario Warp Pipe intro, example)
2. How do the ledge mechanics work? Is it based off higher or lower HP?
3. Are star KOs in the game?

These probably won't be in the demo, but i'll leave them here anyway:

1. Final Smash for Diddy Kong
2. Final Smash for Toon Link
3. Final Smash for Peach
4. Final Smash for Sheik
5. Details about Luigi's final smash (what does it actually do!?)
6. Final Smash for Ike
7. Ike's Side B (is it the same?)
8. What does the P flag do?
9. What do the galaga bugs do?
10. Can you attack with the super leaf/raccoon tail?

Please feel free to Direct message me or quote this and i'll try to add any additional questions we need answered.

Once E3 is here, i'll try to update the list and answer the questions as we know them.

I guarantee you the Colosseum will have some kind of stage boss. It's too bland otherwise, and I think Sakurai is throwing quirks into all the levels because now he can do FD mode.

I was thinking that too. I mean, he does say that platforms appear, but I think a stage boss would be fitting... I just can't think of what. You never typically fought monsters or beasts in the colosseum. Maybe random fire emblem vets come in and fight?

 

[Dr. Buni]

Same. Sometimes I wish there were games that tried to emulate that low poly look of the N64. but I understand why people don't.

Oh and Smash 64 still has the best intro of the franchise.

Me too! It is a shame there are so many indie games emulating the look of of 8/16-bits games, but there are barely games doing the same with the low poly visual of the 32-bits generation.

I still want N64 models as alternate costumes for the original 12 vets.

I want alternate low poly costumes for all characters. I would love to see how certain Melee/Brawl/4 characters would look with the visuals of the first game.

 

[vixlar]

Oh. My...

I'm not crying... I swear I'm not crying... T_T

 

[Lunar15]

Posting my list of demo questions again. I'm confident that with nintendo world playing the game for 50+ hours all of these should get answered.



Please feel free to Direct message me or quote this and i'll try to add any additional questions we need answered.

Once E3 is here, i'll try to update the list and answer the questions as we know them.




I was thinking that too. I mean, he does say that platforms appear, but I think a stage boss would be fitting... I just can't think of what. You never typically fought monsters or beasts in the colosseum. Maybe random fire emblem vets come in and fight?

Probably a Dark Dragon. Series is full of 'em.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Posting my list of demo questions again. I'm confident that with nintendo world playing the game for 50+ hours all of these should get answered.



Please feel free to Direct message me or quote this and i'll try to add any additional questions we need answered.

Once E3 is here, i'll try to update the list and answer the questions as we know them.




I was thinking that too. I mean, he does say that platforms appear, but I think a stage boss would be fitting... I just can't think of what. You never typically fought monsters or beasts in the colosseum. Maybe random fire emblem vets come in and fight?

I like the "If Pyrosphere is playable, what are Ridley's boss mechanics?" one haha

Also, wouldn't Grima be a major reoccuring Fire Emblem boss who makes sense to be in a FE1 stage? I wouldn't be surprised if that's what we got.