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[LiquidMetal14]

Thanks! Very curious about the whole story. Any thoughts about the Shahid messup as well?

He didn't mess up anything as far as this. He was echoing the blog post which was fixed and the Shahid retracted.

 

[Faustek]

So what happened? Type-0 HD gets announced, Sony accidentally says it's coming to Vita, turns out it's only PS4 and XB1 and then Vita fans proceed to melt down?

EDIT: And that post says "localization of Type-0 is officially underway". Didn't we already confirm translation and voice acting were done a year~ ago, or are they redoing it?

Sakura Minamida, or community manager, posted it would come to PS Vita. Shahid retweets, his team has worked on this. Journos question it since their press release doesn't mention Vita. Blog gets updated too not Vita.

People are mad/Sad/upset, idiots calls Vita owners poor/entitled. Vita owners calls the other side idiots. Calm down, OP is still not updated.

Prepare for Digital River.

I will try and explain more when I'm done with the E3 floor.

Thanks.
Off topic: Yoshida is awesome, write up on " your" site later?

 

[MechaX]

Prepare for Digital River.

DON'T YOU DARE

 

[Famassu]

I like how Famassu argued the same point twice in his rabid bid to tell Vita owners they're irrelevant.

I didn't say you are irrelevant, just that your reactions are way out of proportions. The JRPG Vita campaigns did play a part in this, sure, but to say that this is ONLY because of that or you were TEH MOST IMPORTANT part of it is just plain out ridiculous. A fuckton of people have been asking for Type-0 outside of those channels, a fuckton of people who participated in those campaigns were people who don't even own a Vita and just generally want to see the game localized (part of them might've gotten a Vita for it, some not). You are exaggerating your own part in all of this while downplaying what is the bigger FF fanbase as a whole, who've been glamouring over the possibility of any kind of localization ever since the PSP original was released.

Let's not even forget that Tales of fucking Hearts R beat Type-0 in the JRPG Vita campaign. -_-;

The point is, it would sell on the Vita. As was shown with FFX remaster. Squinex didn't shuttle the Vita version for lack of sales.

The point isn't if it's going to sell on Vita (though, would it really sell all that well in the west in over a year from now, when bigger retail level Vita is clearly already dead in NA & PAL-landia based on this year's E3), it's that Square Enix might need it to sell (and sell even better) on PS4 & Xbone to build up install base for FFXV, KHIII and beyond. Releasing it on Vita as well would undermine those efforts in an important market like Japan.

 

[Canis lupus]

Yup, there were a lot of high quality games released this year on Vita.


OT: People on the blog are rioting.

Rallying the troops one more time while the game is still fresh news before disappearing for months/years is a good idea, a concerted effort targeting social media of the parties/people involved. If this last push doesn't work, we should accept it will not happen and move on to try to bring over other rpgs like Phantasy Star Nova.

All four of you?

Just kidding of course, but releasing it on consoles makes so much more sense from a financial perspective. Can't you all just be happy that they're actually bringing it over and play it on your Vitas via Remote Play?

Well, you can't expect them to be happy, it was the Vita/PSP fanbase who asked for this game for years and the reason why SE is bringing this over in the first place.

 

[ZeroX03]

Sakura Minamida, or community manager, posted it would come to PS Vita. Shahid retweets, his team has worked on this. Journks question it since their press release doesn't mention Vita. Blog gets updated too not Vita.

People are mad/Sad/upset, idiots calls Vita owners poor/entitled. Vita owners calls the other side idiots. Calm down, OP is still not updated.

Prepare for Digital River.

I died of laughter dude, thank you.

 

[Faustek]

DON'T YOU DARE

Oi I have to jump through Digital River AND Borderlinx. I fucking dare!!

Spoiler

I'm so effing brave, buy me a muffin!

 

[The Praiseworthy]

The question here is... retail or downloadable only? and full the price or half it?

 

[bigbaldwolf86]

The question here is... retail or downloadable only? and full the price or half it?

Kagari has confirmed a physical release. No word on price

 

[Takao]

I'm pretty sure it exists for Japan at least. Launching an HD version of the game only on PS4 over there would be suicide business-wise.

This clearly isn't being made with Japan as the target audience.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

The question here is... retail or downloadable only? and full the price or half it?

LOL! You missed the little argument I had with others a few posts back.

It's coming out retail as well according to Kagari.

 

[sajj316]

I will try and explain more when I'm done with the E3 floor.

Thanks. There was a good question earlier in this page about whether FFX-X2 sales on Vita were good enough. Obviously not .. but would love further color.

 

[Iggins]

Are there? I thought PS4 had already gone past Vita? Or at least it was pretty close in April or May already.

Last report from Sony was 7m, until they release another report of at least 8.5m the PSV is still on top.

Also, it doesn't matter what the situation is now. The number of PS4 & Xbone owners will continue grow at a vastly faster rate than Vita's install base. As I said, it's likely that the combined sales of both PS4 & Xbone will be in the range of 25-30 million by the time Type-0 HD releases (which I'm assuming is, at earliest, about a year from now, probably longer) if not even more if they both have an extremely successful Fall/Holiday season.

Thats totally fine but what you seem to ignore is that those possible 30 million sales are split between all the games, all of them wont be for Type-0 and this is where my argument takes place because we know that most of the PSV install base love Japanese games but how many PS4 and XOne owners do like these kind of games? Remember that the PSV audience is way different than the home console audience and even if PSV users are potential PS4 buyers it doesn't mean that they will in fact buy one.

Xbone doesn't matter in Japan, but even if it's lagging behind PS4 in hardware sales, software is still doing pretty well on it outside Japan, certainly well enough to consider quick & dirty ports when they are already doing it on similar hardware.

PSV still moving more software.

And PS4 struggling in Japan is perhaps one of the strongest reasons to do this for PS4 rather than Vita. They need to build up the Japanese install-base of the consoles for FFXV and beyond. The success of FFXV is actually important for the future of Square Enix and console JRPGs in general.

Again that nonsense logic, if they want the game to be a success they would release it on PS3 and X360 too, it doesnt make any sense to release it on current gen only when the install base is too small and there are a few potential buyers compared to last gen.

You do know that a big portion of those PSV owners are probably likely future PS4 and/or Xbone owners (if a lot of them don't already own one of them or both) and those Vita campaigns got a lot of support from non-Vita owners?

You said it, they're potential buyers, they could buy one tomorrow or in 2 years.

Most people I know just wanted it localized. Vita was kind assumed as a strong possibility due to the game's past as a PSP game, but they would've been just as happy with a 3DS or PS360 port or, now, with a PS4/XBone remake. The game will be the best it can be on PS4 & Xbone, so I don't see any reason to complain.

I'm not complaining, I'm just debunking your absurd argument that release it on current gen is a way better idea than release it on PSV too.

Sure, but as I pointed out above, this is clearly also a move from Square Enix to build up the JPRG/FF fanbase on PS4. By releasing Type-0 HD on PS4Bone, they can sell a nice number of copies of Type-0 while giving PS4 sales in Japan a nice little boost that will help FFXV's sales later on. It's a similar reason as to why Konami released MGS:GZ now. MGS5 & FFXV are such huge productions that they need to sell well in all regions. They can't let the anemic Japanese console market get to them, so they need to come up with ways they can help CPR the market until they can release those games.

I really doubt they're that dumb, if anything they're aiming to the western market because as you said the Japanese console market is struggling which I believe is the reason they've been releasing mobile games.

Type-0 HD isn't releasing tomorrow. This is irrelevant. In a year or 1,5 or however long this will take to make, PS4 & Xbone sales will quite likely be at least 3-4x Vita's sales.

Considering that you're not omniscient I could say that this is also irrelevant, other than speculate you don't know how things will be when the game releases.

Vita is dead while PS4 & Xbone will be important for Square Enix for the next 5+ years since they are releasing FFXV, KHIII and hopefully a multitude of other games for both platforms within the next few years. That's all the reason they need to put it on PS4Bone instead of Vita.

I have to ask if you work for Square Enix because you talk like if you were right there when they planned everything. Again, speculation...

 

[Kojirospath]

He didn't mess up anything as far as this. He was echoing the blog post which was fixed and the Shahid retracted.

He tweeted about it quite a bit beyond that. Which is weird since he should have kbown better. He did more then just repost the blog. I don't blame him for anything if that's what you're thinking (I'm fine with PS4). It's just weird he went with it considering his position.

 

[Impeccable]

Welp, E3 redeemed!

 

[Spwn]

The question here is... retail or downloadable only? and full the price or half it?

Most likely retail in NA and DL in Europe. I'm still sour over Drakengard 3.

 

[Azure J]

lol wrong thread

 

[u_neek]

Well, you can't expect them to be happy, it was the Vita/PSP fanbase who asked for this game for years and the reason why SE is bringing this over in the first place.

I've been wanting the game to come over ever since it was released in Japan - in any form, really. I think many others have too and appreciate that we're finally getting it.

Didn't really think the Remote Play situation through. Sorry.

 

[The Praiseworthy]

Retail is so cool... can't wait

thanks for the answer guys.

 

[Green Card]

Well at least it will have a physical release. I will pick it up at some point.

 

[Riposte]

Well this is something, at least. Too bad about VITA.

 

[KillerMan91]

Most likely retail in NA and DL in Europe. I'm still sour over Drakengard 3.

It's damn FF and not niche game like Drakengard. It will be retail also in EU.

 

[lightning2k3]

Wow. Just reading through the thread i can imagine the huge roller coaster of emotions. Square why do you do this to us!? Vita HD version would sell well worldwide, especially in Japan where vita sales are pretty good.

 

[Faustek]

Let's not even forget that Tales of fucking Hearts R beat Type-0 in the JRPG Vita campaign. -_-;

Yes I remember people being upset that Type-0 didn't win to go on and admit that they never voted because "reasons".

Most likely retail in NA and DL in Europe. I'm still sour over Drakengard 3.

We got " physical" for FFX Vita, Theatrhytm(even the LE). So yeah we will get it physically. And bonus, no Digital river. I think Amazon? They at least only ship from UK to Amazon connected countries.

 

[Mr.Fresh]

I don't care what system it's on I'm just happy I can finally play this.

 

[Canis lupus]

I will try and explain more when I'm done with the E3 floor.

Thanks, if you're back, could you tell us if there are plans to give other portable titles the HD treatment? I'm talking about titles like Crisis Core and Dissidia which are graphically not below Type-0. There was also some talk about the possibility of Bravely Default appearing on other platforms.

 

[BrokenEchelon]

My Vita count of worthwhile games remains at 0.

My count of dreams that will never be fulfilled drops by 1.

:3

 

[Toth]

Lmfao SE is run by fuckin fools man. Bahahahahahhaha

How dare SE release a game people kept clamoring for years!

 

[MilkBeard]

This is pretty amazing. PS4 yes!!!

It makes sense now that you think about it. SE really needs games to release because FF XV and KHIII are in fucking la-la land right now. I'll definitely take this in the meantime.

 

[Impeccable]

Thanks, if you're back, could you tell us if there are plans to give other portable titles the HD treatment? I'm talking about titles like Crisis Core and Dissidia which are graphically not below Type-0. There was also some talk about the possibility of Bravely Default appearing on other platforms.

Good questions!

 

[Zephyx]

The point isn't if it's going to sell on Vita (though, would it really sell all that well in the west in over a year from now, when bigger retail level Vita is clearly already dead in NA & PAL-landia based on this year's E3), it's that Square Enix might need it to sell (and sell even better) on PS4 & Xbone to build up install base for FFXV, KHIII and beyond. Releasing it on Vita as well would undermine those efforts in an important market like Japan.

I don't think it would undermine those "efforts" in Japan given that:

(1) FF is still FF to them. The brand loyalty and the weight of the franchise is still there even the name has been dragged to the ground in the west. I can say with certainty that if FFXV released today, it would sell gangbusters even without FF Type-0.
(2) It is evident with FFX/X-2 HD (given the slight gap in sales) that consoles are still generally more preferred for the franchise. I think a Vita release wouldn't hurt them at all and it will increase the userbase for the platform IF they ever decide to release another game for it.

Points I can give to you:
(1) Price. FF-Type 0 HD may be priced as a full game for the next-gen consoles but cheaper for the Vita, thus less profit per copy. It would prove true on your initial point that they need to sell even better.
(2) XBone userbase. I don't think I need to explain this.

 

[Habib Marwan]

This is pretty amazing. PS4 yes!!!

It makes sense now that you think about it. SE really needs games to release because FF XV and KHIII are in fucking la-la land right now. I'll definitely take this in the meantime.

*cough* FFXII *cough*

 

[That1BlackGuy]

Wonderful news, now I don't have to play the game with a translator anymore lol. As far as no VITA port, that combined with it's (lack of) presence at E3, Neogaf is going to be hell on Earth if you are a VITA owner.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Most likely retail in NA and DL in Europe. I'm still sour over Drakengard 3.

I always thought it was the other way around. I remember once wanting Quest for Booty and found out it was DL only here and retail everywhere else. Pretty stoked to hear it's retail after all and imagine it will be that way world-wide.

 

[hank_tree]

Anyway, retooling/porting from PS3/4 To Vita is apparently easy as pie.

This is 100% false.

 

[Ventara]

Prepare for Digital River.

Ahahahaha! That would be the cherry on top of this disappointing screwup.

 

[Famassu]

Let's not kid ourselves. They'll port it to iOS/Android instead..

They already remade it to iOS/Android, there's no need to do it again. And it would be practically impossible to do a straight port of Type-0 to mobiles, which is why Agito is what it is instead of just Type-0 on mobiles. It already struggles to be playable on PSP with all of its buttons & d-pads & whatnot, it would be absolutely impossible to translate the somewhat chaotic, fast-paced & complex gameplay of Type-0 to touch screens. Agito is as close to Type-0 you'll ever get on mobiles.

 

[Epcott]

My PSVita will be sad,
But my PS4 will be happy.

Can you play co-op with others in Type-0 in the same way you can in say, MGSW?

 

[TetraGenesis]

The whole POINT was to play it on Vita, dawg!

 

[UberTag]

They already remade it to iOS/Android, there's no need to do it again. And it would be practically impossible to do a straight port of Type-0 to mobiles, which is why Agito is what it is instead of just Type-0 on mobiles. It already struggles to be playable on PSP with all of its buttons & d-pads & whatnot, it would be absolutely impossible to translate the somewhat chaotic, fast-paced & complex gameplay of Type-0 to touch screens. Agito is as close to Type-0 you'll ever get on mobiles.

Because mobile technology won't improve in the next 4-5 years or anything.
I'm not saying touchscreens aren't an inherent limiter in action-based games because they will be.
But don't take the "closest we'll get on mobiles" approach when plenty of other action-focused games like GTA have been ported without issue.

 

[family_guy]

I'm not that excited for this after the fan translation. Also it's pretty obvious Square is going use this game as a way to push back FFXV.

 

[kadotsu]

The whole POINT was to play it on Vita, dawg!

No the whole point was to play it in a language you can speak. We got that. And it'll get a chance on a console that isn't dead for the mainstream audience.

 

[hank_tree]

I'm not that excited for this after the fan translation. Also it's pretty obvious Square is going use this game as a way to push back FFXV.

They've been pushing back FFXV for a long time now. This has nothing to do with it.

 

[Skilletor]

The whole POINT was to play it on Vita, dawg!

I just wanted to play it.

 

[Faustek]

My Vita count of worthwhile games remains at 0.

My count of dreams that will never be fulfilled drops by 1.

:3

Source @zackreese

This is 100% false.

Apparently not if you are to believe some devs(not going to try and find the quotes to busy reading up here). Ofc there are always difference of skill/knowledge and some sort of QA that can differ. And the bigger the team the bigger the cost to do anything.

 

[Canis lupus]

No the whole point was to play it in a language you can speak. We got that. And it'll get a chance on a console that isn't dead for the mainstream audience.

You're getting this in your language because some fanbase asked for it so yes for the people that Square heard out the point was to play it on their platform.


Also, isn't FFX HD selling well on the Vita?

 

[Izuna]

Um, woooooow?!

 

[hank_tree]

Apparently not if you are to believe some devs(not going to try and find the quotes to busy reading up here). Ofc there are always difference of skill/knowledge and some sort of QA that can differ. And the biggernthe team the bigger the cost to do anything.

Maybe if it a Unity game or something like that. Other than that, no, porting from PS3 to Vita is not easy. It's very difficult.

 

[Devilgunman]

Just buy a PS4 and remote play on Vita. Problem solved!! And you play the HD version instead of shitty PSP graphics!

Seriously though. I'm just glad it comes out in English and I'm going to remote play like I said from time to time. They know it's requested to be on the Vita but considering how bomb the Vita is it's just doesn't make any business sense. It's either this or none, or you can play that fan-translation.

 

[scion_barzahd]

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