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PlayStation Network Thread (Vita/PS3/PS4) | June 2014

Guys got asked from Sony what games they want for the Vita. Guys say Type-0. Type-0 gets announced for PS4 and Xbone. Guys feel betrayed because they (feel) that they were the moving power for this whole localization stuff. Now they are pissed.

And im one of those guys.
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So Sony is entitled to shit out any game their userbase requests them?

If that's the case, where is my GTA Vice City HD?

I'm not defending Sony here. They already lost me the past few days for a myriad of reasons but this whole thing is way blown out of proportion.

Sony and Shahid shouldn't have hyped up jrpgvita and promised expectations

Square is also a bunch of clowns for being stubborn and not going through with the Vita release
 
Don't really think there's a "right" perspective on this matter. There's a lot of different people out there who wanted this on Vita for different reasons.

However, I just find it really hard to complain since I own a PS4. If you own a PS4 and a Vita and don't buy this game, I don't really know what to tell you. They're not exactly screwing you here because they are probably spending a lot more time probably delivering a vastly superior product. And you don't even have to buy a console to play it. But, yes, it is technically true that you aren't getting what you asked for.

As for this being "bait and switch", someone made an honest mistake and posted something incorrect which was corrected rather quickly. Bait and switch would be if it turned out it only worked on PS4 on release day after they advertised it for both. I can't really agree on that end.
 
Vita without Storage,GPU and CPU confirmed because "We only need Streaming and shit". A big FUCK YOU to Sony. I bought the Vita 2 weeks ago. And now its near its extinction? Wow that is great. They drop this baby too fast.

It won't happen. The thing needs "something" to run the OS so you can switch betweet apps and all that. And doing that component-less device will mean a new R&D investment, new packages and some extra manufacturing related costs. I don't think it's worth it when they're behaving the way they are.
 
What's happening to this thread and the internet? I think it's crazy too, but it's just a game, and it's one that we'll finally be able to play without a fan translation.

Seriously, there's more hate going on for them bringing the game overseas then they would get if they never brought the game over here.

I can see complaints, but when we charge over to blogs and make petitions, it shows that gamers feel entitled.

I don't play JRPGs on non-portables. I don't have the time to spend so many hours in front of a TV. For me it's basically as if they were not releasing it at all.
 
Stoked to hear that La Mulana is still coming. Was expecting the worst.
Hopefully a GR2 localization announcement is coming.

Also, the Type-0 thing sucked for Vita fans but it's actually coming over. I'm actually pretty happy to hear that, and one of my hardcore FF fan friends will not shut up about it. I can understand why some of you are upset, but I feel if you're a fan of a series, then you shouldn't let your love of a console get in the way of you enjoying games in said series. Just my two cents though.
 
AHAHAHAHA.

You know, in a recent 4Gamer interview with Yoshida Shuuhei, they mentioned that Vita's presence in the conference was very thin, and asked about the Vita's (and indie's) situation outside of Japan.

PS Vitaは日本以外でも,買っていただいた方の満足度が非常に高いハードです。

Even outside Japan, the people who bought the hardware had a high degree of satisfaction.

Well, thanks to that TypO-Vita debacle, I think everyone is feeling like they were given a raging boner then got stabbed right in the dick.

Yes, Shuu, those "buyers" you're talking about are feeling rockbottom.

And to think I didn't even mind the Sony Conference (not even the Vita TV rebranding).

Shahids at e3. It wouldn't be too unusual if he's just too busy to tweet with all the madness going on. The optimist in me want to think he's working on the Type-0 situation though :P

I hope they aren't working on making Type-0 HD happen on Vita. It's a lost cause.

They should be trying to convince workable shit.

#MoneySpentBetterElsewhere
 
Gio Corsi damage controlling Vita hard right now on Twitter

Update#5: #Borderlands2 #Vita patch should release next week! Excited!

Gio Corsi @giocorsi · 22m
Update#4: #BuildingTheList 3rd Party Production still tracking all the requests but remember, these investigations & negotiations take time

Gio Corsi @giocorsi · 24m
Update#3: #BuildingTheList was always a 3rd Party Production initiative, never Sony global. Gives me an idea of what you want to play!

Gio Corsi @giocorsi · 24m
Update#2: #GrimFandango & #Infinity2.0 coming to #Vita, other unannounced titles too. We love #Vita too much to not keep investigating games

Gio Corsi @giocorsi · 24m
Update#1: #TalesofHeartsR #Vita coming soon, that was one of the #BuildingTheList asks shown at #E3 stage

This is hiliarious. We should inundate him with tweets about Type 0 and the blog fuckup.
 
Stoked to hear that La Mulana is still coming. Was expecting the worst.
Hopefully a GR2 localization announcement is coming.

Also, the Type-0 thing sucked for Vita fans but it's actually coming over. I'm actually pretty happy to hear that, and one of my hardcore FF fan friends will not shut up about it. I can understand why some of you are upset, but I feel if you're a fan of a series, then you shouldn't let your love of a console get in the way of you enjoying games in said series. Just my two cents though.

I don't care. I'll buy the JP PSP version, aply the patch and play it on my PC using a PSP emulator. I'm not supporting them with this one.
 
Went to pre-order Blazblue for Vita at Gamestop today, since I'm trying to curb relying on amazon for every game when I can get it a 1/2 mile away.

Anyway, whoever the guy was there was asking me if I'd been watching the E3 stuff

"oh yeah, i've been watching all that shit"

"what'd you think about the Vita part? it was kinda like, so is it dead or what?"

"yeah, they pretty much killed it at that show"

"my brother's gone through a couple of them and keeps selling it [was about to ask if his brother was Totobeni], and i keep looking at the game list, like there's nothing on it"

"yeah... i like mine, but it is what it is. I'll buy that PS TV thing, though. Whatever"

Even people that aren't invested can see the flies on the roadkill... exactly why we kept wanting a strong showing, time after time.
 
-I've already played Type-0 so I don't have a vested interest but I can see why people are upset.
-#NOVITANOBUY is a hastag
-I made an observation at how large the response was/is to the recent events surrounding PS Vita and made no mention is of them being passionate or otherwise so I don't know where you got that from.
-As far as that embarrassing slight you threw at Vita owners, you forgot to add IMO.
-Love how you threw in "" around Vitabros to make your statement sound even more condescending, good shit homie.



People can act like whatever they want, not sure who you are to tell people otherwise.

nice takedowns. :-)
 
People who wait for Type-0 haven't played Type-0.

Crisis Core that tried to act like a big Final Fantasy release (and I liked CC)
 
I can understand why some of you are upset, but I feel if you're a fan of a series, then you shouldn't let your love of a console get in the way of you enjoying games in said series. Just my two cents though.

Through a fan perspective, it's irritating as to see all of this.
 
This is fucking embarrassing to the max


If they loved Final Fantasy then they will get it on whatever console Square choose to place it on. If FF went Xbox exclusive I will buy a Xbox One the very same day. Why? Because I won't let my dickwaving over a electronic product come in my way over something I love.

It's fucking appalling that some people would choose not to play a GREAT GAME because it's coming to to a platform they own.

I wanted to play MK8, so instead of complaining and whining about it, i saved up money and bought a Wii U

I wanted to play Titanfall so instead of bitching why won't it come to a Sony platform I got it on PC

The Vita may be dead but that doesn't mean you guys have to act like a bunch of entitled fools over a game.

Or perhaps because you are one of the very few who can buy any console you want any time you want? I'm glad you can, but don't just assume everyone else is in your position, nor should your denigrate the ones who are not.

Some gamers might not express their opinion in a way you want, but anyone has the right to complain if they feel they have been wronged in some way.


So Sony is entitled to shit out any game their userbase requests them?

If that's the case, where is my GTA Vice City HD?

I'm not defending Sony here. They already lost me the past few days for a myriad of reasons but this whole thing is way blown out of proportion.

Sony and Shahid shouldn't have hyped up jrpgvita and promised expectations

Square is also a bunch of clowns for being stubborn and not going through with the Vita release

Did you and thousands of others have been petitioning the game for years and both the developers and Sony gave you hopes about it, and then they announced it for a platform you don't own and that you won't/can't/don't want to buy for at least a couple of years?

If that's the case, I feel your pain, believe me.


Guys got asked from Sony what games they want for the Vita. Guys say Type-0. Type-0 gets announced for PS4 and Xbone. Guys feel betrayed because they (feel) that they were the moving power for this whole localization stuff. Now they are pissed.

And im one of those guys.



Vita without Storage,GPU and CPU confirmed because "We only need Streaming and shit". A big FUCK YOU to Sony. I bought the Vita 2 weeks ago. And now its near its extinction? Wow that is great. They drop this baby too fast.

As am I. But it seems those who already have (or will soon have) PS4s don't understand there exist realities where people don't want/can't/won't have one, or that there are tons of gamers who prefer portable gaming.


AHAHAHAHA.

You know, in a recent 4Gamer interview with Yoshida Shuuhei, they mentioned that Vita's presence in the conference was very thin, and asked about the Vita's (and indie's) situation outside of Japan.



Well, thanks to that TypO-Vita debacle, I think everyone is feeling like they were given a raging boner then got stabbed right in the dick.

Yes, Shuu, those "buyers" you're talking about are feeling rockbottom.

And to think I didn't even mind the Sony Conference (not even the Vita TV rebranding).



I hope they aren't working on making Type-0 HD happen on Vita. It's a lost cause.

They should be trying to convince workable shit.


#MoneySpentBetterElsewhere

If they make the game happen on Vita, thousands of Vita owners and JRPG fans will celebrate and buy the game. If it is indeed a lost cause, then Sony will not have to spend a dime and sooner or later will move on to other projects. So it will be #MoneySpentBetter one way or another


This is hiliarious. We should inundate him with tweets about Type 0 and the blog fuckup.

A lot of people is already on it. I actually never thought this would become such a big movement.
 
Up until now, we always were able to play with anyone in the world, but sometimes you must change your settings from local servers to global (like Dragon's Crown or Toukiden).

That's good to know. Would love to have some online sessions with everyone here once it's out.

Just to add my thoughts on this E3. It's disappointing that Sony is deliberately letting the Vita die in the West by promoting it as an accessory for the PS4. Dropping the Vita name from Vita TV and that FF Type-0 Fiasco are just the icing on the cake I guess.

When I bought my Vita at the end of last year, I knew that I was buying a device which would have a bumpy road ahead but I don't regret buying it at all. There are still a lot of Vita games coming out this year which I want to play so even if the support should dry up next year I will have enough games to play on it. I really hope that Bamco, Tecmo Koei and all the other niche Japanese developers will continue their Vita support but I am not sure whether I can stay optimistic or not.
How big are your hopes on some good Vita news at gamescom or TGS?
 
Given the state of the Vita in the US I didn't expect much from E3 in terms of major announcements (Still would've like some Gravity Rush 2 news though).

During E3, or any of the big shows for that manner, the expectations for the next year are laid down and any lack of news during the conferences is concerning. That being said in the lead up to E3 at least for me there was a steady drop of Vita news that had me excited, the outcome of E3 shouldn't really impact that at all.

In general it seems like Sony are attempting to break down console delineations and encourage a PS ecosystem with PS4 leading the helm, hence cross-buy or most games being released on PS4 and Vita. I'm excited for Grim Fandango in Vita, but I suspect for most people they've already dismissed it due to the fact that it is an old game and not even exclusive.

If you expect SCEA to actually invest heavily in the Vita (as Nintendo had done with the 3DS when it buckled down) that ship has long since sailed (nor is it financially viable considering Sony ATM). Better off waiting for Gamescom and TGS for announcements.

Anyway, my two cents.
 
I don't play JRPGs on non-portables. I don't have the time to spend so many hours in front of a TV. For me it's basically as if they were not releasing it at all.
Pretty much this. As someone who owns a PS4 but not a 3DS, I'd honestly rather play Type-0 on the 3DS than PS4. Remote play it is then. :/
 
If they make the game happen on Vita, thousands of Vita owners and JRPG fans will celebrate and buy the game. If it is indeed a lost cause, then Sony will not have to spend a dime and sooner or later will move on to other projects. So it will be #MoneySpentBetter one way or another.

Shahid sounds like they still wantintend to make it happen by their tweets (which if I understand correctly is actually more of Gio Corsi's responsibility).

But they're still at the mercy of Square-Enix. There is also a concern about the quality; if the plan from the start was for it to be on PS4 and not Vita, that means more resources (= time) spent on making it fit on Vita. And quite possibly, not get as much return of investment (relative to the PS4 ver) due to userbase globally.

So unless there is a Vita version already in development, it'll take a long while for them to finish. And that is another problem on its own: Time-to-Market.

I like FF Type-0, but for all their (Gio Corsi et al) efforts and resources, I think they should be working with a group who's willing to bet on Vita. Like Sega - who has a Vita exclusive on the way. And they also got a sleeping IP like SenVal/Valkyria Chronicles and fans WILL eat those up.

Heck, they could just bridge more stuff between Falcom and XSEED just to speed up the localization process. Vita is the only platform you can get the entire Kiseki/Trails subseries of Eiyuu Densetsu.

In my mind, they could be taking a huge risk but quite potentially a huge reward (at least in my dream world) with Bandai Namco. But that's just my fantasy.

Edit:
where the lie tho
if we didn't think the hardware was ace, we probably wouldn't be as vocal as we are

Now, if Yoshida said we were happy with the software selection during their E3 presentation ...

What lie?

It's just ironic that that's the thing he says, when there's a rage out there about the TypO incident.

Subnote: I probably should have used the term "platform" instead of the hardware. Usually, in terms of gaming, hard = platform. So he's talking about the Vita as a whole, not just the hardware.
 
So UMvC3 Vita is on sale in Europe... Any idea about how long it's going to stay on the Vita store? Thinking about buying before it disappears.
The console versions and their DLCs got removed 6 months ago, so I guess this will get removed at any time after the sale.
 
Through a fan perspective, it's irritating as to see all of this.

You can be a fan of a series and complain when the company does something you don't like. Considering Type-0 HD will be an untouched port (no extra contents over the PSP version) and the fact that now there is a chance to play while boycotting the "HD versions" (aka English Patch), it's rather easy for me to decide what to do.
 

look man, I feel for the people who really wanted this on their Vita. It would of have been a blast to replay the game in English on the go

I think Type-0 would of been a great shot to the arm for the Vita in the west and quite possibly ending up being the Vita's swan song.

But going so far to boycotting a game just because it's not coming on your favorite system is silly. Maybe I am missing something here, but why would anyone purposely skip a game they have been wanting to play for a very very long time just to skip and rage against it in the very end?

I know not everyone is in the financial situation to willy nilly buy a PS4, but people have been clamoring for a Type-0 localization way before Shahid and his clown ass started propagating #jrpgvita/false hopes to people. Like someone said in the announcement thread, people where clamoring for this game to come out on any system so they can finally play it in English.

I know it's not wise to lump all of #NOVITANOBUY together - but it feels like certain people from the campaign are shitting over something that many have been waiting years to finally.


In the end though this is all a combination of Sony's incompetence with handling the Vita in the west, and false promises by Shahid.

If Sony truly wanted Type0 on the Vita, then they would of have fully funded a Vita port.
 
It's not something I'd be in a hurry to buy on PS4... it'd have to be $20, then maybe I'll catch it on sale.

On Vita I'd have paid $40 for a physical copy day 1. Or whatever conversion rate I'd have to pay to import a UK or Asia release, which would have been more likely.
 
Shahid sounds like they still wantintend to make it happen by their tweets (which if I understand correctly is actually more of Gio Corsi's responsibility).

But they're still at the mercy of Square-Enix. There is also a concern about the quality; if the plan from the start was for it to be on PS4 and not Vita, that means more resources (= time) spent on making it fit on Vita. And quite possibly, not get as much return of investment (relative to the PS4 ver) due to userbase globally.

So unless there is a Vita version already in development, it'll take a long while for them to finish. And that is another problem on its own: Time-to-Market.

I like FF Type-0, but for all their (Gio Corsi et al) efforts and resources, I think they should be working with a group who's willing to bet on Vita. Like Sega - who has a Vita exclusive on the way. And they also got a sleeping IP like SenVal/Valkyria Chronicles and fans WILL eat those up.

Heck, they could just bridge more stuff between Falcom and XSEED just to speed up the localization process. Vita is the only platform you can get the entire Kiseki/Trails subseries of Eiyuu Densetsu.

In my mind, they could be taking a huge risk but quite potentially a huge reward (at least in my dream world) with Bandai Namco. But that's just my fantasy.

You are totally right in that they are definitely at the mercy of SQEX here. About the user base, I think the great question here is if there is a Vita version at least planned for Japan. If it is, then asking for localization becomes far easier. But if Gio, Shahid and co. are pushing SQEX to develop a Vita version from the ground up just for the west, yeah, that's not going to happen.

That said, as I've mentioned before, I'd be surprised if SQEX didn't release this HD version in Japan, and if they do, they'd be crazy to do so without a Vita version, which leads me (back again) to believe there is a Vita version at least in planning stages.


I think our complaining will at best net us a PSN release of the PSP version for Type-0.

That's the only thing I was hoping in the first place, so that would be a plus for me. I just don't want disparity. If Japan gets a Type-0 HD Vita I'd be pissed if all we get is the PSP version.

In my dream world of course, I'd like to have Type-0 HD on Vita even if it is a West-only release, but we all know that is just not happening.
 
I think all this Vita/Type-0 rage is happening way too early, based on very limited information. I'd personally love to play an iteration of Type 0 on my Vita, and if not, it's just further reason for me to purchase a PS4 down the line, as there seems to be a lot of really awesome SE content headed for it within the next several years.

I'd wait and see what happens. Stuff can change at the drop of a hat.
 
I think all this Vita/Type-0 rage is happening way too early, based on very limited information. I'd personally love to play an iteration of Type 0 on my Vita, and if not, it's just further reason for me to purchase a PS4 down the line, as there seems to be a lot of really awesome SE content headed for it within the next several years.

I'd wait and see what happens. Stuff can change at the drop of a hat.
I disagree that it's too early. I think the more people get the word out there that they're dissatisfied and disappointed then the higher a chance we have of SE doing something about it. At the end of the day it might not work but what's wrong with trying?

If people don't like hearing about it they can just ignore it.
 
look man, I feel for the people who really wanted this on their Vita. It would of have been a blast to replay the game in English on the go

I think Type-0 would of been a great shot to the arm for the Vita in the west and quite possibly ending up being the Vita's swan song.

But going so far to boycotting a game just because it's not coming on your favorite system is silly. Maybe I am missing something here, but why would anyone purposely skip a game they have been wanting to play for a very very long time just to skip and rage against it in the very end?

I know not everyone is in the financial situation to willy nilly buy a PS4, but people have been clamoring for a Type-0 localization way before Shahid and his clown ass started propagating #jrpgvita/false hopes to people. Like someone said in the announcement thread, people where clamoring for this game to come out on any system so they can finally play it in English.

I know it's not wise to lump all of #NOVITANOBUY together - but it feels like certain people from the campaign are shitting over something that many have been waiting years to finally.


In the end though this is all a combination of Sony's incompetence with handling the Vita in the west, and false promises by Shahid.

If Sony truly wanted Type0 on the Vita, then they would of have fully funded a Vita port.

I think I understand you better now, and you are definitely right in pointing out to Shahid and co. for hyping things. However, I can't help but wonder if the 'No Vita' thing was a last minute call from SQEX, because Shahid and the Square rep seemed to definitely believe what they were typing.

Personally, I haven't seen many users that have both PS4 and Vita complain (there are some of course). The problem seems to be that the tag #NOVITANOBUY kind of implies that you have a PS4 and a Vita and that you won't buy the PS4 release unless there is a Vita one. But I think the vast majority of people complaining simply don't own a PS4. The #NOVITANOBUY tag is just used because it is short and convenient IMO.


Much like for the PSP, I bet Vita's swan song will end up being Corpse Party, at least for me.

I really want that one too!. Blood Drive will be released in Japan in July. I hope we get it for Halloween, but I don't think we'll see it until the holidays, even 2015 perhaps.
 
I think I understand you better now, and you are definitely right in pointing out to Shahid and co. for hyping things. However, I can't help but wonder if the 'No Vita' thing was a last minute call from SQEX, because Shahid and the Square rep seemed to definitely believe what they were typing.

I think it's nice that people are being vocal about this. SE has been siting on localization of Type-0 for nearly two years now, but refused to do so. And when they finally did announce a localization, it's for something that they probably never intended to do so but they had not other choice due what probably went down between Square and Sony.

-Vita is dead in the west. No doubt about. There is no saving it, and that is due to SCEA's gross incompetence with handling the thing. Square needs to make money and they won't get it by catering to a small fanbase no matter how vocal they are, so they probably decided to just port it over to the PS4/X1. They probably would gladly put T0 on the Vita if Sony was willing to fork over the dosh, which Sony probably did, but Square probably wanted more.

Personally speaking though this all makes no sense.
-a PS4/Vita port would probably make them more money than PS4/X1. I don't care what anyone says, the FF fanbase (heck, SE games (Talking FF and KH here) aren't on Microsoft Consoles. Not speaking out of fanboyism, but it's a damn fact. A type-0 3DS port would sell more than a X1 port. And that's because Nintendo still has a sizable FF fanbase from the SNES/GBA/Crystal Chronicles era. Xbox has close to none

Hell I think a PS3 port would sell more than a PS4/Vita/X1 port would since that is where the current mainline FF fanbase is (XII trilogy, X/X-2, XIV)

And that's where I think Square made the biggest mistake, if anything, they should of have placed it on the PS3 where it will make the most impact. That console will have a long lifespan just like the PS2.


Lastly, I wasn't trying to shit on anyones parade about this. It was nice to see people speak up about the Vita's current situation. What I didn't like though was people trying drag down a good game by saying "hurr i wont buy it, fuk u square n sony suck my cock" along with it.

I feel that this whole situation could of have been handled a little better. Be vocal about the mishandling about the Vita, but don't drag another game that people have been waiting so long to play because it simply didn't end up in your hardware of choice.
 
I miss the days where I all I did was play games...
(PSOne and PS2)

sigh. so much drama :/
- sorry guys, I'm just old, tired and resigned
 
I miss the days where I all I did was play games...
(PSOne and PS2)

sigh. so much drama :/
- sorry guys, I'm just old, tired and resigned

I'm still playing my PS1 and PS2! I think I mentioned this already, but I'm working my way through all the Ridge Racer series (including R:Racing Evolution) and currently on Ridge Racer V.
 
A lot of people is already on it. I actually never thought this would become such a big movement.

I just sent him 2 very unhappy tweets and mentioned him in a third to square enix usa.

I'm rather happy with my one that says the mistake PSN maintenence made where we could suddenly download all our PSOne and PSP games has done a better job at #BUILDINGTHELIST than his team has.

I think it's nice that people are being vocal about this. SE has been siting on localization of Type-0 for nearly two years now, but refused to do so. And when they finally did announce a localization, it's for something that they probably never intended to do so but they had not other choice due what probably went down between Square and Sony.

-Vita is dead in the west. No doubt about. There is no saving it, and that is due to SCEA's gross incompetence with handling the thing. Square needs to make money and they won't get it by catering to a small fanbase no matter how vocal they are, so they probably decided to just port it over to the PS4/X1. They probably would gladly put T0 on the Vita if Sony was willing to fork over the dosh, which Sony probably did, but Square probably wanted more.

Personally speaking though this all makes no sense.
-a PS4/Vita port would probably make them more money than PS4/X1. I don't care what anyone says, the FF fanbase (heck, SE games (Talking FF and KH here) aren't on Microsoft Consoles. Not speaking out of fanboyism, but it's a damn fact. A type-0 3DS port would sell more than a X1 port. And that's because Nintendo still has a sizable FF fanbase from the SNES/GBA/Crystal Chronicles era. Xbox has close to none

Hell I think a PS3 port would sell more than a PS4/Vita/X1 port would since that is where the current mainline FF fanbase is (XII trilogy, X/X-2, XIV)

And that's where I think Square made the biggest mistake, if anything, they should of have placed it on the PS3 where it will make the most impact. That console will have a long lifespan just like the PS2.


Lastly, I wasn't trying to shit on anyones parade about this. It was nice to see people speak up about the Vita's current situation. What I didn't like though was people trying drag down a good game by saying "hurr i wont buy it, fuk u square n sony suck my cock" along with it.

I agree with you on the PS3 target. What I really think is that they should have done just like the FFX/X-2 collection and done a Vita/PS3 (maybe even PS4) release...
But as far as the other part goes, not everyone is as immature or trollish as the last sentence in the quote above.

The main reason I won't buy the game? I don't own either platform. And as neither library has any sort of draw for me at the moment, the only way I could buy and play it would be on Vita... or PC.
If they release it for PC eventually due to the similar architecture to Xbone and PS4, I'd pick it up on Steam someday. But it won't be a day one full price purchase, the only way they could've gotten my money for day one full price would have been to release it on Vita. Not sure how many share my situation, but I'm guessing there's at least a few others. :P
 
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