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[Neiteio]

ZSS having a shoot-into-the-screen Final Smash hardly lowers Snake's chances. I mean, let's count all of the characters that have Final Smashes where they fire a giant blast of something across the screen. It's fine.

Likewise, Sheik's grenades are really nothing like the ones Snake used. And even if they were -- so what? They'd be used in entirely different ways because the rest of the move-set is so different and the strategies change as a result.

No one has a move-set quite like Snake's. The fact Sakurai made him work in Smash must've felt like a huge creative achievement.

 

[BassForever]

Heck lets be real here, if the gematsu leaker had said before e3 2013 "here are all the newcomers in Smash Bros 4

Villagers, Mii, Pac Man, Mega Man, WFT, Chorus Men, Rosalina, Little Mac, Greninja, Shulk, Chrom, and Palutena"

And then at E3 2013 Rosalina, Little Mac, and Chrom had been the 3 confirmed characters most people would have said "oh he got lucky/no real evidence it's real/characters everyone speculated got confirmed/WFT will NEVER be in Smash Bros" etc etc

Heck if any character besides WFT has been shown off at e3 2013 people probably would have doubted the gematsu leak for quiet a while. Heck if we were at a point where the final 3 characters left on his leak list were WFT, Chorus Men, and Shulk I bet even more people would still be doubting it.

Until actual evidence comes along to prove a leaker is fake, you can not truly 100% discredit them

 

[Gartooth]

If the 4 cuts thing turns out true, I think we've all guessed at this point that they're Squirtle and Ivysaur (who've been missing since the Charizard announcement) along with Lucas (leak casting doubt) and Snake. (oddly absent) If Snake by some miracle gets announced before release, the only other character I could see getting cut over him would be Wolf.

 

[Neiteio]

Heck lets be real here, if the gematsu leaker had said before e3 2013 "here are all the newcomers in Smash Bros 4

Villagers, Mii, Pac Man, Mega Man, WFT, Chorus Men, Rosalina, Little Mac, Greninja, Shulk, Chrom, and Palutena"

And then at E3 2013 Rosalina, Little Mac, and Chrom had been the 3 confirmed characters most people would have said "oh he got lucky/no real evidence it's real/characters everyone speculated got confirmed/WFT will NEVER be in Smash Bros" etc etc

Heck if any character besides WFT has been shown off at e3 2013 people probably would have doubted the gematsu leak for quiet a while. Heck if we were at a point where the final 3 characters left on his leak list were WFT, Chorus Men, and Shulk I bet even more people would still be doubting it.

Until actual evidence comes along to prove a leaker is fake, you can not truly 100% discredit them

Yeah, and in hindsight, it would've been fun if someone pitched Wii Fit Trainer here before E3 2013 (other than the leaker, I mean) and said, "She should be in Smash Bros.!" I'd love to see the responses.

 

[Azure J]

I think the ship has sailed for a playable Toad in this iteration of Smash Bros. He could end up as DLC but for all we know Sakurai may have already put in place his decisions for those characters.

Whether as regular or Captain Toad though, I think that character has earned its place in Smash Bros. and I held that stance even before a spin-off game was announced for him. He's one of the few well known Nintendo characters left that has had enough history and appearances to be iconic/recognizable to a larger audience outside of the Nintendo diehard. (another being Dixie Kong) In regards to how he would play, it would be hard coming up with a playable character if we were to adhere strictly to his appearances as Captain Toad. Perhaps Sakurai could pull moves from his regular appearances as well which would at least allow move ideas to be integrated from the likes of NSMB or SM3DW while even going as far back as something like Wario's Woods.

I actually figured that Toad would be pretty awesome to either be the "costume" character that uses/represents all the suit power ups in the Mario Bros. platforming series or as a judo/power lifter type of character based on his primary attributes in SMB2USA/SM3DW.

I also took a shot at making a move set for him elsewhere that illustrated the two ideas well enough.

Spoiler

Yeah, I'll never not be embarrassed to share this stuff.

 

[Thorakai]

So if you guys could have any three characters and three assists in the new Smash, what would they be? I figure this could be fun.

1. Isaac
2. Professor Layton
3. Ray MK 2

1. Tetris
2. Chibi-Robo
3. Excite Trucks

1. Fawful
2. Medusa
3. Excitebot

1. Lugi's Mansion ghosts
2. Megagrock from Dillon's Rolling Western
3. Metal Face from Xenoblade

 

[BassForever]

If the 4 cuts thing turns out true, I think we've all guessed at this point that they're Squirtle and Ivysaur (who've been missing since the Charizard announcement) along with Lucas (leak casting doubt) and Snake. (oddly absent) If Snake by some miracle gets announced before release, the only other character I could see getting cut over him would be Wolf.

Pretty much this, though I imagine that if Lucas and/or Wolf end up being cut I feel they'd have a very strong case for first round DLC as they'd take the least amount of effort to have ready, heck I imagine they could have the DLC ready for release of the WiiU version.

 

[backlot]

What I wonder is if Snake does come back, who will do his voice?

 

[IntelliHeath]

If the 4 cuts thing turns out true, I think we've all guessed at this point that they're Squirtle and Ivysaur (who've been missing since the Charizard announcement) along with Lucas (leak casting doubt) and Snake. (oddly absent) If Snake by some miracle gets announced before release, the only other character I could see getting cut over him would be Wolf.

Problem with 4 Cuts. did anyone aware of RosalinaX said that 48 roster and 4 cuts are not finalized. He said that numbers could changes so that is what set it off for me.

If you are not even sure about the numbers and making a safe blanket guess about the characters and cuts then tell people that it could change is big no-no to me.

Ever since we got leaks from many fighting games. They are always accurate with the numbers OR roster.

 

[Durden77]

I'm not a huge Snake fan, but I also don't want any unique characters to be cut. I know if I were still waiting to hear about Sonic's return at this point my stomach would be in knots. So for every Snake fan of there I really do hope he returns.

Thanks broseph.

And that's part of it too. Snake was just one of the coolest and most uniquely designed fighters Smash has ever seen. And the crazy part was, he was still actually really good! That's my opinion, but I think when a character has a mortar launcher as an up smash, it's hard to deny.

Third of all his moves are being added to different characters such as Sheik and ZSS. I'm not saying its a guarantee but giving Sheik grenades and Snake's FS to ZSS make absolutely no sense if he wasn't cut.

This is like the dumbest thing. So many characters in Smash share moves. If ZSS's FS is the same as Snake's, then Bowser/Little Mac, Dedede/Pit (Brawl), Kirby/Link/Ike (SSB4), and Mario/Wii Fit Trainer's are all the same too.

And that's not even considering the normals, which I've heard people bring up as well.

 

[Vidiot]

I just wish he'd show Ridley as the damn boss on Pyrosphere already and finally put me at peace that there is no chance of him being playable. It's a stage that was shown a long ass time ago but was suspiciously not playable in the demo. Yet we got that Mario stage that was shown like a day or two before E3. It's like the slowest band aid removal in history. Pull it the hell off already!

 

[Jawmuncher]

What I wonder is if Snake does come back, who will do his voice?

I could see it being surherland. Not sure the requierments of smash voice acting but VA could have been done while he was doing MGSV stuff.

 

[Gartooth]

Pretty much this, though I imagine that if Lucas and/or Wolf end up being cut I feel they'd have a very strong case for first round DLC as they'd take the least amount of effort to have ready, heck I imagine they could have the DLC ready for release of the WiiU version.

Yeah, I could see all non-Snake (due to the nature of 3rd party partnerships) veterans make it in as DLC if they indeed get cut.

I actually figured that Toad would be pretty awesome to either be the "costume" character that uses/represents all the suit power ups in the Mario Bros. platforming series or as a judo/power lifter type of character based on his primary attributes in SMB2USA/SM3DW.

I also took a shot at making a move set for him elsewhere that illustrated the two ideas well enough.

Spoiler

Yeah, I'll never not be embarrassed to share this stuff.

No idea if Sakurai would go that route, but I think a lightweight grappler/heavy style would work great for Toad!

Problem with 4 Cuts. did anyone aware of RosalinaX said that 48 roster and 4 cuts are not finalized. He said that numbers could changes so that is what set it off for me.

If you are not even sure about the numbers and making a safe blanket guess about the characters and cuts then tell people that it could change is big no-no to me.

Ever since we got leaks from many fighting games. They are always accurate with the numbers OR roster.

Well, I think the only reason we're even considering the RosalinaX rumor is because so far it seems to line up with the Gematsu rumors right? But your right, for a leak like this the person behind it doesn't seem very sure of the information they are sharing.

 

[Jintor]

hayter or riot

 

[Tyeforce]

Speaking of the Random slot, I saw a couple people saying that it was apparently confirmed in the Treehouse stream that if customizations are turned on, the Random slot is replaced with a slot for Mii Fighters. However, I've watched through all the Treehouse videos I could find and I didn't hear that at all. Can anyone else confirm or deny this, preferably with a video link?

So can anyone answer this? It's been bugging me for awhile now.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Well, I think the only reason we're even considering the RosalinaX rumor is because so far it seems to line up with the Gematsu rumors right? But your right, for a leak like this the person behind it doesn't seem very sure of the information they are sharing.

Well, also I would like to toss it here. From what I heard, few members of that forum claimed that RosalinaX sometime can be attention-seeker, so I'm pretty sure that he might did that to get attentions. Hilariously, it worked and he got a lot of attention and his name have been thrown around everywhere at almost all of the forums.

 

[BassForever]

Problem with 4 Cuts. did anyone aware of RosalinaX said that 48 roster and 4 cuts are not finalized. He said that numbers could changes so that is what set it off for me.

If you are not even sure about the numbers and making a safe blanket guess about the characters and cuts then tell people that it could change is big no-no to me.

Ever since we got leaks from many fighting games. They are always accurate with the numbers OR roster.

True, but Smash also isn't like a lot of fighting games, we know from Brawl's development that if you had looked at the "final roster" you'd have seen Mewtwo and Roy but no Sonic as he wasn't added to Brawl's development until later, heck we can see this with Smash 4 with X/Y pokemon becoming Greninja later on. Heck even the Gematsu leak (which most people believe to be true) said there is debate about Ness and/or Lucas being cut leaning towards Lucas being cut. Assuming the Gematsu leak's information isn't extremely outdated this would seem to indicate that there are still quiet a few things being finished or decided upon even this late in the games development. Heck last month we know Sakurai stated "the takooni leaf may be used as an attack we're not sure yet"

Am I saying the RosalinaX leak is 100% confirmed? No obviously not, but the fact it lines up really close to the Gematsu leak helps it's credibility more then it hurts. Maybe it really was a lucky guess we'll never know, and even if the final roster is 48 with 4 cuts that still doesn't 100% prove RosalinaX had genuine info, same way even if Shulk, Chrom, and Chorus Men are confirmed it doesn't 100% prove Gematsu's leaker had genuine info perhaps it truly was god like luck. At that point though I'm going to say "yep they had genuine info" over "nah they just got lucky"

 

[Fiktion]

What I wonder is if Snake does come back, who will do his voice?

Hayter would probably be a lot easier. Question is if Konami is cool with that.

 

[BassForever]

So can anyone answer this? It's been bugging me for awhile now.

Yeah link this for me too if it's true

 

[Durden77]

hayter or riot

I would honestly rather them straight up reuse his clips from Brawl than have Sutherland.

 

[Dryk]

I wish Sakurai would stop cutting my mains, but I suppose that's what I get for maining Dr Mario, Mewtwo and Ivysaur in the first place. (I also played Pichu a lot against friends).

 

[Jawmuncher]

I would honestly rather them straight up reuse his clips from Brawl than have Sutherland.

I could see this as well. Would mean no codecs but that's a small price to pay. It's not like he talked much in game aside from that.

 

[zroid]

I wish Sakurai would stop cutting my mains, but I suppose that's what I get for maining Dr Mario, Mewtwo and Ivysaur in the first place. (I also played Pichu a lot against friends).

:lol brutal

 

[IntelliHeath]

RosalinaX Leaks

Originally Posted by RosalinaX
Well, he is limited on what he can say and can't. But things he shared with us is
- new system to prevent ultra shortcuts
- why the blue shell wasn't in the e3 demo
- ssb4 number of characters ( I think it was real )
- and indrift
- explained maka wuhu issue
Only question I asked is if there was a shortcut that broke the game will you patch it he said yes.

Blue shell wasn't programmed in to the new tracks it has to follow a path.

I'm sure the bombs, bullets, lighting would of slow down the demo line

Maka, I'm having a hard time remembering what he said. I'll have to ask him again.

He said 48 characters for smash ( it could change ) also he mentions 4 characters are cut from smash also no release date.

Mk8 roster idk

Well, I let him say what he can say about ssb4 and mk8. I never really asked him about the games.

Someone: Btw, is the man you asked a friend of yours in real life?
RosalinaX:No, he isn't

lol, I would get too many pm's from random people asking me to tell him to put in characters they want or what's in the game etc

As for indrift is back in, but it's being nerfed.

It was a Skype convo, now let's get back on topic.

 

[Durden77]

I could see this as well. Would mean no codecs but that's a small price to pay. It's not like he talked much in game aside from that.

Yeah, that would be a bummer, but I could live. Hayter's Brawl work was fucking boss anyway. Dat death scream. I feel like Sakurai wouldn't want to miss the chance for codecs though, so we'll see. Maybe Palutena and Pit can replace them.

Ohhhh I hope I can see my stealth camo malfunction once more in SSBB4.....so damn badly......

 

[Wreck-It Ralph]

Assuming the Chrorus Kids are in, how do you think they'll play?

I think they should basically summon characters and objects from the Rhythm Heaven mini-games for all their attacks. For example:

Neutral A combo - Karate Joe appears and throws some punches.

F-tilt - The Samurai appears and slashes his sword.

F-smash - The Wrestler appears and flexes (because the Wrestler flexing is clearly a more powerful attack than the Samurai's sword)

And then some of the B moves could require rhythm to execute properly. For example:

B - The Chorus Kid tosses a baseball in the air, and the Batter appears. Release B at the right moment to swing the bat. Release at exactly the right time for a line drive; release slightly early for a pop fly; release slightly late for a grounder. Miss completely and the ball just falls uselessly to the ground.

Up B - A seesaw appears, with the Chorus Kid on one side of the seesaw and the seesaw guy on the other side. The seesaw guy jumps up. Release B just as he lands to launch higher. If you miss, you still launch, but not as high.

 

[Makai]

1. Andy
2. Professor Layton
3. Isaac

1. Eggplant Wizard
2. Kraid
3. Protoman

 

[Cloud Strife]

So if you guys could have any three characters and three assists in the new Smash, what would they be? I figure this could be fun.

1. Isaac
2. Professor Layton
3. Ray MK 2

1. Tetris
2. Chibi-Robo
3. Excite Trucks

1. Professor Layton
2. Robin (FE Awakening)
3. Cloud Strife (Won't happen but I can fucking dream if I want)

Support (based on these series):

1. A puzzle takes the screen and a stylus moves around whacking players until "Professor I've solved it!"
2. Chrom
3. Golden Chocobo

 

[Not75Drops]

The true Metroid newcomers:

and

tag-team.

 

[Josh5890]

So is it confirmed that the title is just Super Smash Bros Wii-U/3DS? Seems weird that a proper title hasn't been announced yet.

 

[IntelliHeath]

So is it confirmed that the title is just Super Smash Bros Wii-U/3DS? Seems weird that a proper title hasn't been announced yet.

Yeah, they are real titles

Super Smash Bros. for (4) 3DS

Super Smash Bros. for (4) Wii U

 

[MiguelMexMIstery]

So is it confirmed that the title is just Super Smash Bros Wii-U/3DS? Seems weird that a proper title hasn't been announced yet.

Yeah, that's the title of the game.

 

[-Horizon-]

So is it confirmed that the title is just Super Smash Bros Wii for U/3DS? Seems weird that a proper title hasn't been announced yet.

There we go. And yes, they showed it on the game covers already.

Edit: beaten by two people come on D:

 

[zroid]

So is it confirmed that the title is just Super Smash Bros Wii-U/3DS? Seems weird that a proper title hasn't been announced yet.

Better get used to it, lol

 

[Gartooth]

I'm pretty surprised that we haven't gotten a lot of Donkey Kong Country love in the game yet. In regards to the characters themselves, Diddy looks mostly unchanged and DK has only a few changes. (Up-B on ground, Roll finally added) There hasn't been any hint towards Dixie or K. Rool in the leaks, and we have yet to see a stage in either version for that series aside from Jungle Japes from Melee. At the very least we've seen a couple of things though such as the Rocket Barrel theme being in the game along with Kremlings and the Tiki-Tong Tribe being in Smash Run.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

Whoa, guys, have you ever noticed we've never seen Sakurai and Ridley together in the same place?

But if you ask me, I sort of suspect the reason Ridley was hidden in the Nintendo Direct when Sakurai showed Pyrosphere was perhaps he simply wasn't finished yet with the model, but just wanted to tease folks. Might explain why the wing looked a bit off, and the shadow was really blocky. Like it was an early wireframe model or something.

 

[Shadow Hog]

The true Metroid newcomers:

and

tag-team.

I think I'd only accept

.

blew it with that whole

Spoiler

"let me shoot you in the back so I can sacrifice myself"

stunt. I'm not even sure

Spoiler

the sacrifice meant anything in the end

; genuinely can't remember. That game's plot was a mess.

 

[PfantzyPantz]

The true Metroid newcomers:

and

tag-team.

*vomits from looking at the gif*

 

[georly]

So can anyone answer this? It's been bugging me for awhile now.

I need to rewatch them but I do remember that on the stream that Nate Bihldorff, when talking about mains, mentioned that he was leaning towards some characters that haven't been revealed.

We kinda assumed it to be true anyway, but at least it confirms that there are at least TWO more characters that haven't been announced yet

 

[Lord_Byron28]

Then why was he in Brawl?


Then why was he in Brawl?


Wut?


Sheik's grenades are nothing like Snake's grenades... also since when did ZSS fire a grenade launcher hanging from a helicopter.

None of Snake's moves have been given to other characters. That argument is extremely weak.

He was in Brawl because the creator of the series wanted him in. Its not out of the realm of possibility for Sakurai or Nintendo to re-evaluate whether he was going to make it in. They re-evaluated a lot of characters from Melee to Brawl. Or something from Konami's end. Kojima hasnt exactly been providing any comfort for the character making it in. Although I could see it as a big fake out right before release.

Thanks broseph.

And that's part of it too. Snake was just one of the coolest and most uniquely designed fighters Smash has ever seen. And the crazy part was, he was still actually really good! That's my opinion, but I think when a character has a mortar launcher as an up smash, it's hard to deny.



This is like the dumbest thing. So many characters in Smash share moves. If ZSS's FS is the same as Snake's, then Bowser/Little Mac, Dedede/Pit (Brawl), Kirby/Link/Ike (SSB4), and Mario/Wii Fit Trainer's are all the same too.

And that's not even considering the normals, which I've heard people bring up as well.

How many characters have retroactively been changed to share similar moves? Yes, Sheik's grenade is different but the grenade itself doesn't even make sense in context of the character.

 

[Tripon]

Man, Kojima should ask for Liquid Snake to be included at this rate to troll everyone.

 

[Jintor]

Isn't pushmo world out today or tomorrow? stage plz

 

[Bleep]

Yeah, they are real titles

Super Smash Bros. for (4) 3DS

Super Smash Bros. for (4) Wii U

It's almost as clever as Duke Nukem 3(3)D and Duke Nukem For(4)ever.

 

[Ryce]

How many characters have retroactively been changed to share similar moves?

Charizard's new forward air looks identical to Bowser's, Kirby's new Final Smash functions similarly to Link's, Olimar's new jab is a one-two punch combo like a handful of other characters, and so on. Granted, I believe Snake's gone, but I don't think his old attacks were consciously transferred to other characters.

Yes, Sheik's grenade is different but the grenade itself doesn't even make sense in context of the character.

It makes just as much sense as an electrical whip -- maybe even more sense:

Explosives introduced from China were known in Japan by the time of the Mongol Invasions in the 13th century. Later, explosives such as hand-held bombs and grenades were adopted by the ninja.

 

[Jintor]

It's almost as clever as Duke Nukem 3(3)D and Duke Nukem For(4)ever.

THI3F

or THI4F, even worse

 

[zroid]

I still don't think the for/4 pun is a real thing

 

[Durden77]

How many characters have retroactively been changed to share similar moves? Yes, Sheik's grenade is different but the grenade itself doesn't even make sense in context of the character.

ZZS had to have a new FS though, considering the lack of transformations. It makes sense that they would do something that already has similar code. Sheik was in the same situation because she was now lacking a down B.

Also, Pit has been changed to essentially have Captain Falcon's side B. And Captain Falcon gets cut for fucking no one.

 

[Neiteio]

I still don't think the for/4 pun is a real thing

It's not. We know that the 3DS version is SSB4 internally and the WiiU version is SSB5, so it wouldn't even make sense for the "for" to be a pun.

 

[The Great Gonzales]

Man, Kojima should ask for Liquid Snake to be included at this rate to troll everyone.

Cut Snake, bring in Johnny.

So if you guys could have any three characters and three assists in the new Smash, what would they be? I figure this could be fun.

Playable
1. Paper Mario
2. Robin
3. Toss-up between Captain Syrup and King K. Rool. I prefer Syrup - as a character, K. Rool doesn't really interest me - but I think K. Rool could have a really cool moveset.

ATs
1. King Boo
2. Lololo & Lalala (they'd kick boxes around or something)
3. Skull Kid doing what he should be doing - sending the moon crashing into the stage - instead of that stage-flipping nonsense.

 

[Tan]

What's the name in Japanese? Same thing I guess? Brawl was "X" right?

So if you guys could have any three characters and three assists in the new Smash, what would they be? I figure this could be fun.

1. Isaac
2. Robin (FE: Awakening)
3. Ridley

1. Mallo
2. Lip
3. Jr. Troopa