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Kim Kardashian's night out RUINED by attendant in BLACKFACE :biblio:
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I see you like it simple. I try to make it. There are plenty of racists all over Europe. I know because I live for the last 36 years in a country as a foreigner. Still there is no white men guilt here. Blacks in Europe hadn't to endure the same shit as in the US. We don't share the same history. There is no blackface in Europe.
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shacklesmcgee
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Reconsider your life because you're a racist and terrible casting director?
My point was that most people shouldn't be laughing at nazi jokes. Meaning hey, even though we weren't the cause of the monstrosities committed by Nazi's we still know not to laugh at something terrible.
Ok, I give up. I was wrong.
bobbychalkers
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You said Blackface didn't exist in Europe, and I showed you examples that it did. Don't move goalposts here. European entertainers toured the US and brought the blackface images back home with them. Products featuring blackface were very popular in Europe as well.
What a bizarre statement
block tower
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yeah your really enlightening with these posts lol.
Necromanti
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Well, Christopher Columbus was Italian... Just sayin'.
Well, we have our own share of problems with racist scum.
Winter John
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What utter nonsense. I live in Scotland and travel across Europe fairly regularly. While there is a problem with racism it certainly isn't "rampant."
boiled goose
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Europeans saying blackface is only racist in the US and that there is less racism in Europe???
Holy shit this is hilarious and depressing.
Holy shit this is hilarious and depressing.
Who said that there is less?
I meant in addition to the white girl grabbing the black girl there's another picture of the black girl grabbing the white girl.
Yea, but overall poor ad considering the quote.
What are you even talking about?
Not everyone who paints their skin black is an actor or trying to play a "role".
This guy is painted in black and says hey kim, it's me kanye!
That's called mocking, it's like when people pull their eyes to mock asians.
Oh but that's not racist, you pull your eyes to play a role, not to mock a race.
It's a fucking gesture how else are you suppose to look asian, there's no inherent racist context.
What else are you supposed to do if you have an a character but no asian actor to play the part?
Didn't you know that racism only exists in the US and not the liberal paradise that is Europe with all those peace loving far right parties on the rise
Black Republican
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You won't find many black people in Germany. I'm not joking here, I'm not even sure why.
That ad was a two-picture ad though. One had the white woman grab the black woman. The other picture had the black woman grab the white woman.
Majmun
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I've migrated to Holland 20 years ago. I was 10 years when I arrived here. The zwarte pieten looked weird to me at first. I thought it was a very strange tradition. I was kinda afraid of them lol. I didn't see them as black people, though. Just as Sinterklaas' helpers. Everyone was celebrating them. Black and white families. I didn't see any harm.
I haven't been following the tradition for years now. But much has changed.
Jeesz. Learn about context and meaning. Actions, words and actually the entire world is perceived through the context it is presented in.
American culture isn't the same as European or Dutch. What you might perceive as undeniably racist maybe perceived different by someone who doesn't share your culture or history.
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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I asked this question about month ago, but didn't get a proper response;
Kanye may not be a fictional character but; wouldn't what this guy did fall under the same idea?
Kanye may not be a fictional character but; wouldn't what this guy did fall under the same idea?
And_Gignac
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There's certainly more racism in Europe mostly because there is less racial diversity.
Saying that people from the Netherlands reproducing the Zwarte Piet tradition are racists is a judgement based in American values and culture.
But of course, the guy in the video is an idiot and probably close to racist considering the context.
Saying that people from the Netherlands reproducing the Zwarte Piet tradition are racists is a judgement based in American values and culture.
But of course, the guy in the video is an idiot and probably close to racist considering the context.
boiled goose
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Im not going to bother engaging you and neither should anyone.
Just given your posts in the thread people should say you are either a troll, massively ignorant, or have some mental issues.
Your posts remind me of someone else who posted similar nonsense in these topics. Such as the obama is not black nonsense.
Vermillion
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Assuming that this isn't facetious: respect.
That's a lot of insults for not engaging with me. But I get it, I don't share the same mindset with you.
I am German, the only black person I've ever seen in person growing up was a former GI who decided to stay in Germany. This might surprise you, but racism in the US was exactly the reason he stayed.
These days, I see black people every once in a while. But they're usually refugees from Africa who came here recently.
Lmao americans and their judgment of everything as if everywhere was american. Different context exists, deal with it. Everytime this shit pop out in threads it's all the same, americans asking the whole world to be outraged as they are because of their personal history, you'd think this topic would'be banned by now.
boiled goose
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It is a fine line to cross. Does he actually look like the character or is it just Black face?
The question applies to both cases.
The same argument was used by the celebrity using black face to look like a character from orange is the new black. She argued she was trying to look like the character but it was clearly bullshit. She left her blonde hair and blue eyes in touched. It was just blackface.
So again the question is if they are actually looking like the character or just mocking the darker skin tone.
As someone said, the same thing applies to any racial cosplay attempt. If you went to a party with black people would they find your portrayal impressive or offensive?
Well to be fair, for some it is a hard concept to understand, that context and history and the meaning we give to things based on that is not universal.
But it is not worth the time discussing with people if they can't understand that basic principle.
Majmun
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What??
There's a lot of racial diversity here. So many countries, so many races.
And you know, the black people from America don't originate from North America. Hell, even Americans don't originate from North America. Europe is very diverse in ethnicities.
That guy at the Halloween party didnt need Blackface in that scenario. The funny part of Tyrone Biggum's character was that he was an exaggeration of a crack addict, not that he was black. The blackface part of the costume is just missing out on the real joke of the character, which is Dave Chappelle playing a hilariously exaggerated crack addict. Blackface isn't necessary for that.
The Kanye West Blackface dude at this party is just straight up being obnoxious and offensive for the sake of attention. Definitely racist and insensitive, but the main reason is to get a rise out of people, and to get attention, which he clearly did. Even got a little history lesson to explain to the idiots that follow the Kardashian show why Blackface is offensive.
block tower
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so what's the difference between these two images of black face in regards to one being acceptable the other unacceptable?
Winter John
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I think there's quite a large community in Hamburg and Frankfurt. They're nowhere near as large the African communities in Italy or the U.K, but that's probably due to immigration policies more than anything else. Anyway, I'd recommend Tropical Point if anyone decides to visit Hamburg and fancies a good meal
Booty Patrol
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What are you talking about? Everyone here understands it. What's being argued is that, considering context and history, blackface is still racist in Europe.
For you probably none.
Because of your history. Your culture.
For me one is some guy I don't recognize and Zwarte Piet... because I know Zwarte Piet.
You, and everybody else (including me), try to make sense of the world by giving meaning to things based on their knowledge, culture, history etc.
We don't share the exact same culture, knowledge and history.
BlackSalad
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This thread is ridiculous. So in Europe, just because it is not the conscious popular opinion apparently means it is not racist. So there is no racism because "minorities" are ...minorities...?
boiled goose
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Fyi i grew up outside the US and have travelled the world extensively. Infact i am currently living outside the US too.
There are very few if any contexts in which mocking a physical feature of a race is not offensive and possibly racist.
American history is not solely the cause for the discrimination of people of African origin.
Are you seriously going to tell me that black people are not discriminated against in Europe? Are you living in an alternate reality? The only reason cultural and institutional racism seems better to you in europe is precisely because there is less response against it and more homogeneous thinking.
Asian people have a different history in the US but if you had a bunch of white people prancing around with squinty eyes it would be offensive as welll. Anywhere.
The problem is you are mocking a single feature. Dehumanizing and homogenizing a group and not actually attempting a real or useful portrayal.
Stop being so butthurt.
block tower
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but they both look the same, why don't you see two zwartes? theres no difference in the blacface other than the context your claiming, except both origins of the blackface end up looking like the same exact blackface. it's kind of bizarre to argue zwarte isn't based off a black person given zwarte in blackface ends up looking just like blackface characters from America that were based of african americans.
boiled goose
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Truly fucking mindblowing.
Racism does not require history. Mocking a race even if it has never existed in your country is still not ok.
I think people have forgotten what blackface actually entails. It's not about applying dark make-up (although many people seem to get riled up about that fact alone, which is just ridiculous), it's about portraying an offensive stereotyped caricature of a race of people.
That's not blackface. That's a blackened face. If you can't see the difference between the two, you're either being overly sensitive or deliberately obtuse.
That's not blackface. That's a blackened face. If you can't see the difference between the two, you're either being overly sensitive or deliberately obtuse.
1.21Gigawatts
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I wouldn't say that was racist. Cultural background in europe is just different.
But it was clearly meant fo offend Kim Kardashian.
But it was clearly meant fo offend Kim Kardashian.
Disgusting little shit. This as tasteless in Vienna as it is in the US believe me. Funny thing the Media over here that reported about her presence at the event out of Austria didn't mention this at all and made her look like a spoiled little brat. Now I can completely understand why she wasn't very impressed to say at least that evening.
boiled goose
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I think people have forgotten what blackface actually entails. It's not about applying dark make-up (although many people seem to get riled up about that fact alone, which is just ridiculous), it's about portraying an offensive stereotyped caricature of a race of people.
That's not blackface. That's a blackened face. If you can't see the difference between the two, you're either being overly sensitive or deliberately obtuse.
I agree the main issue is the charicaturization. Difficult to avoid.
And_Gignac
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You are probably right. But I get a different vision when you have Angela Merkel herself claiming that "multiculturalism has failed" and you see the alarming rise of hyper nationalistic/xenophobic parties all across Europe.
Unfortunately, yes. That is the rationale.
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