Kim Kardashian's night out RUINED by attendant in BLACKFACE :biblio:
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as mentioned before, slavery was/is nothing new. but it was more like indenture back then. racism wasn't the objective. to take over your land and your people wasn't down to racism. it was for power and wealth. before the first ever european king, many kings were sub-servant to other kings in africa
trans-atlantic slavery was over racism. to fully suppress a race and to steal and loot all of their natural resources and then treat them like shit, even though they showed you/made you rich as fuck is racist.
Right on the money.
Although, it should also be noted that racism as we see it today didn't exist until the advent of trans-atlantic slavery. It was never institutionalised until it became an industry.
All forms of slavery prior to the trans-atlantic variety paled in terms of the scale of savagery and pain.
Not to defend any kind of slavery, it is an utterly barbaric practice in all forms, but you can't really compare pre-1600's slavery with THE SLAVE TRADE.
Hey a father just sold his daughter to a biker gang to be raped. No culpability on the biker gang. I mean, her own dad sold her!
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There's no point in denying that there is a connection between zwarte piet and blackface, all I can say is this:
Being born and growing up in the Netherlands, having yearly Sinterklaas celebrations, not once did I or any of my friends / classmates associate zwarte piet with actual black people. They were the cool relatable guys accompanying sinterklaas himself, who to me was always rather intimidating, especially at a younger age. Even at school during the period of the year that sinterklaas was around, you'd get zwarte pieten crashing into during classes and throwing sweets at the students before running off again.
Seeing them was purely associated with celebration and fun, from the moment that they arrived on their boat from spain until they left on the 5th of december.
I won't expect anyone who hasn't grown up with the tradition to understand or accept this reasoning, but for me personally it was the time of the year that I looked forward to the most as a kid.
Being born and growing up in the Netherlands, having yearly Sinterklaas celebrations, not once did I or any of my friends / classmates associate zwarte piet with actual black people. They were the cool relatable guys accompanying sinterklaas himself, who to me was always rather intimidating, especially at a younger age. Even at school during the period of the year that sinterklaas was around, you'd get zwarte pieten crashing into during classes and throwing sweets at the students before running off again.
Seeing them was purely associated with celebration and fun, from the moment that they arrived on their boat from spain until they left on the 5th of december.
I won't expect anyone who hasn't grown up with the tradition to understand or accept this reasoning, but for me personally it was the time of the year that I looked forward to the most as a kid.
Not going to lie. If you take away the historical context of it. The image looks pretty awful.
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Wow. Blackface is not exclusively American history. You guys don't know what you are talking about. Even the Wikipedia on blackface gives examples from around the world.
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Non-American ignorance about their countries history with race is always so fascinating.
So what about the Roman Empire and their use of slave labor, the rebellions and crucifying thousands of people as an example to others? And that is just one example among many others?
I don't believe you can say the trans-atlantic slave trade was any more or less savage but it has been recorded and retold via movies. That being said, what took place in the colonies was more comprehensive since the European nations had such power over any other faction. The results were abhorrent in places like Belgian Congo where millions died. In a sense it was the bigger crime but if Romans had possessed similar capabilities, I doubt people would have been better off.
Louis Farrakhan, is that you?
Please it's not even about that. That representation of black people been round forever and it needs to Change. You know how I know it's some racist shit? Go to a soccer game and those people dress up like that and throw bananas at black players.
These fucking foreign countries need to get their shit together.
I wonder how the silk road's trade was paid for, if they had nothing of value.
You're also replying to someone who links youtube clips how warlike and savage Mesopotamians stole civilisation from the noble black master race.
So you guys know more about our history with race?
This must be some clever trolling I don't get or the worst stereotyping in this thread yet.
CheDominik
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Wait, what? Sadly the banana throws happen from time to time, but dress up like that? I don't think that ever happened. And to imply that it happens regularly, that's just hyperbole
Winterfang
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She always looks fantastic. Say what you want about her but she is a beautiful lady.
Because some idiots in Italy throw a banana you don't have to listen to people saying that something is meant to, and perceived different in another country than you might think.
Europe is 20-odd different countries. And they are in fact quite different. We aren't one United States of America, we aren't just states. We are actually different countries. And some have closer cultural and historical ties than other...
Also it isn't something that happens regularly. And sure there are racists over here, just as there are racists everywhere. Don't pretend that some dude in Italy throwing a banana means that all Dutch are fucking racist because of Zwarte Piet.
I feel like Kim has undergone unnecessary plastic surgery to "tweak" her face, but for the worse.
Kris may have "enhanced" to her face too, but it suits her well.
nephilimdj
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I learnt that the US army declared war on American Indians, and 20 odd years later, this resulted in courts finally seeing them as humans... from watching doctor quinn medical woman
Sadly education isn't the best everywhere when you learn important historical events from shows aimed at 40 year old stay at home females
Yes because that happens all the time over here. The players literally slip and slide their way to the corner flag because of all the banana peels.
Do you have any experience living or growing up in these countries as a minority? Or do you just think it's okay to read a sensational news story from a US source here and there and apply this stereotype to an entire continent?
Fix your own country before pointing the finger somewhere else. Outside of some shameful isolated incidents such as the football crap, blackface just isn't used to express racism over here. Most people won't even make the association, as weird as that must sound to you.
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Just because you are from a country doesn't mean you automatically know it's history very well. I am able to read as well you know.
It's a fact that blackface occurred throughout the world and not just the US.
Nope, it's called broadening your horizons and letting go of symbols of ignorance.
First, blaceface isn't just an "American" thing, it doesn't fly here in the UK either outside of very edgy comedy (shockingly, another western country with a large black population. Starting to see a trend here?). We also gave up Golliwoggs too.
Here's the thing, if you're from some small hamlet in Holland, with little access to the outside world nor people unlike yourself, then sure, children celebrating with Zwarte Piet isn't inherently troublesome. But when you step out into the wider world, either via the internet, travel or immigration, that unintentional veil of ignorance is lifted. Simply not being aware, if true to begin with, is no longer a good enough excuse.
Holding onto these things serves no purpose other than to say you're unable to have fun or celebrate without making small parts of your community (or larger parts of other communities) feel isolated and unwelcome.
You are right and I apologize to those Europeans I insulted. I reacted to quickly out of anger.
Ok. I'm sure you know quite a lot about Italys history with race.
Angelus Errare
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You don't understand. Kim Kardashian had SEX and recorded it!!!
He was just joking about the fact that his distaste for Kardashians is almost as large as his distaste for racism.
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You are Italian? I actually do know some. And know for a fact how racist Italy can be.
I just want to add that the majority of Italians are still outraged because of these racist lunatics. And rightly so, it's unacceptable. But we aren't a nation of Banana throwers, most of us are pretty cool.
Oh, ok. We are racist.
As an American I'm aware of the racism in my country and know that it needs to be fixed. But it is something we know exists and something we don't try to hide from. To say we can't point out other countries problems because of our own is very foolish and childish. Europe has a problem with racism just as much as the states, pretendting these are just "isolated" incidents is wrong and an excuse for blatent racism.
EightBitNate
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Exaggerating the features of another group for humor isn't a culture thing.
Why are you guys discussing racism it EU vs NA?
The question at hand is IF blackface should be considered racist in EU when NA has quite clear stand against it.
But to apply one culture standard to another would be like a person from india told us not to eat cows since they are sacred.
The question at hand is IF blackface should be considered racist in EU when NA has quite clear stand against it.
But to apply one culture standard to another would be like a person from india told us not to eat cows since they are sacred.
I don't think we should change a tradition because outsiders, who clearly don't understand the festivities and only judge it by its appearance, say we are wrong.
It literally happens in every thread discussing blackface. I am no longer surprised, just sad, disappointed and slightly vexed.
But as far as I saw in the video, the person in question didn't exaggerate black peoples features so what is the out cry about?
Because the 'normal' blackface is to me very racist, while to a person from NL most likely find it different.
Not as disappointing as every time these threads happen people don't seem to understand that their cultural and history aren't a universal thing.
Winterfang
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Better than putting their fingers on their ears and going LALALALA can't hear you. Everything something racist happens in Europe is always the same thing "is part of our culture" "the States are racist also" "is just an isolated incident" "The States are the one with the slave problems"
Those are no valid excuses, accepting there's a problem is the first step to fixing it.
But they first have to see it as a problem, which they don't, since it isn't part of their culture/tradition.
I am sorry, but how the fuck is blackface a cultural thing? I am not even from america so don't use that bullshit excuse on me. It's caricaturisation of an entire group of people.
JESUS
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Stop defending racist behavior with this logic.
I don't know about other Europeans here, but based on the false bullshit you were spouting a few pages back... I think quite a few Americans know more about Europe's racial history than you do.
sooperkool
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You've been around it all your life, I get that. You're comfortable with it in your mind, I get that too. But know that racism can be attached to positive images as well, this makes it no less racist. Its sometimes even more effective as you can see from your response to it. You have been conditioned to accept a racist image (Zwarte Piet) with a positive outcome (getting sweets). And as a last note, even unintentional racism is still racism.
Angelus Errare
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What I've learned from this thread
1. Caracalla, his kids and his brother Geta were black (wut).
2. Just because you paint your face black to make fun of an ethnic group DOESN'T necessarily make it racist. It could be because there were no black actor/actress available for reasons unknown.
3. Outside of France there aren't black people in Europe.
4. America is really the only country with racial issues; most cries of racism are simply Americans projecting their imperialistic views.
5. Netherlands isn't racist because they didn't have cotton fields.
6. Black people are easily offended; they shouldn't be. it's just jokes.
7. Kim Kardashian drawing air is just as bad as racism when you think about it.
1. Caracalla, his kids and his brother Geta were black (wut).
2. Just because you paint your face black to make fun of an ethnic group DOESN'T necessarily make it racist. It could be because there were no black actor/actress available for reasons unknown.
3. Outside of France there aren't black people in Europe.
4. America is really the only country with racial issues; most cries of racism are simply Americans projecting their imperialistic views.
5. Netherlands isn't racist because they didn't have cotton fields.
6. Black people are easily offended; they shouldn't be. it's just jokes.
7. Kim Kardashian drawing air is just as bad as racism when you think about it.
OverBlood 3
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Can anyone say 'Publicity Stunt'?
Selective reading is a wonderful thing. I'm out of here for good, I don't want to offend anymore Americans with my blatant racism.
A strawman so large you could fit Edward Woodward in there.
Well, you already changed his origin because of outsiders, so please don't feign ignorance to the controversy by hand-waving a "you don't understand the festivities" response.
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