ConfusingJazz
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Aren't Italy and Spain considered Southern Europe?
I would say both, myself.
Aren't Italy and Spain considered Southern Europe?
I'm not sure what your point is. Are you trying to justify racism? If so, you're gonna have a hard time trying to do that. Education can help prevent racism, but being uneducated and/or poor is not a cause or reason for being racist. Not by a long shot. The problem is much broader than that. Also, Suárez should be banned to set an example, so that others don't become like him - and not as a way to "recover/heal" Suárez from racism. Likewise, putting a murderer in jail won't bring his victim back to life, but will help prevent new murders.
You'll have to forgive me, but this argument is terrible. We shouldn't ban racist players because there's a whole lot of them running loose? If we keep this kind of idea (light punishment against racial abuse), racism will stay strong for a long time.
I was trying to understand your point, and I made an honest question. I'm not pushing you against the wall, nor "leaping to extremes". And I apologize if it seemed this way. However, in my opinion, your approach towards racism (regarding Suárez case) is lenient, and I strongly disagree with you.1 Pretty sure I'm not "justifying racism" but do keep leaping to extremes with every post.
"Catalyst" is a new word in your discourse, and I don't think that anybody would argue against ignorance's role in racism's genesis. However, in your previous posts, you suggested that Suárez's poor/uneducated background should mitigate his punishment. As I have stated before, this reasoning is utterly flawed, mainly because ignorance does not justify racism, in the same way that it doesn't justify murder, for instance (despite ignorance/poverty being a possible "catalyst" for murder).2) If social ignorance and lack of education aren't catalysts for racism then I'd love hear what the real reasons are tbh.
Agreed.You address racism through education.
This argument would make sense for Suárez's biting problem (if he had bitten people only once), but not for racism. This "first offence" logic does not apply here. You're racist or you're not. And if you are, you should be banned (from the sport) to set an example and to show to society that racism is not tolerated in any way or form.This idea that wholesale banning people for life from a profession for a first offence is both unrealistic and farcical.
The Uruguay captain Diego Lugano has branded the four-month suspension handed to Luis Suárez an act of barbarity that breaches the Liverpool strikers human rights.
Fifa suspended Suárez from all football related activity until the end of October last week after finding him guilty of biting Italys Giorgio Chiellini during the South Americans Group D victory over the Azzurri in Natal. The forward, who is not allowed to set foot in a stadium over the course of the sanction, began the ban on Saturday as his compatriots were eliminated from the World Cup by Colombia at the Maracanã.
The severity of the punishment Suárez was also banned for nine competitive Uruguay matches and fined £66,000 has provoked a furious reaction back in Uruguay, as well as among Óscar Tabárezs squad, with Lugano highly critical of the global games governing body as he took leave of the tournament. Its a breach of human rights that a player cannot go into a stadium where there are 80,000 people, or into a hotel with his team-mates that he cannot work for four months, said the centre-half who spent last season at West Bromwich Albion in the Premier League. He has committed an offence, but this ban is barbarity. Not even a criminal would receive this penalty.
The seven-strong Fifa disciplinary panel had considered 34 camera angles before determining the strikers guilt, concluding the bite was deliberate, intentional and without provocation. Those assertions are still refuted by Suárez, who claimed in a letter written to Fifa in his defence that he had lost his balance and hit my face against the player, leaving a small bruise and a strong pain in my teeth. Uruguay have informed Fifa they will appeal the suspension, which would also rule Suárez out of nine Premier League matches and three Champions League games if he remains at Anfield despite reported interest from Barcelona, and have entered the seven-day period allocated to finalise paperwork
The irony of what he's saying is so painful. After all of his idiotic statements I think Lugano deserves something too.Here's an idea, don't go around biting people.
Just in case there's any doubt, here's the BBC story on his statement: Luis Suarez bite: 'I lost my balance and fell on Chiellini'
Worstguay keeps on getting worse.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-banning-Luis-Suarez-over-World-Cup-bite.html
Suárez and his defenders deserves all the heat they're getting, but it's unfair to escalate it to the whole country. Lets not hate on Uruguay.Worstguay keeps on getting worse.
The severity of the punishment Suárez was also banned for nine competitive Uruguay matches and fined £66,000 has provoked a furious reaction back in Uruguay, as well as among Óscar Tabárezs squad, with Lugano highly critical of the global games governing body as he took leave of the tournament. Its a breach of human rights that a player cannot go into a stadium where there are 80,000 people, or into a hotel with his team-mates that he cannot work for four months, said the centre-half who spent last season at West Bromwich Albion in the Premier League. He has committed an offence, but this ban is barbarity. Not even a criminal would receive this penalty.
Worstguay keeps on getting worse.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-banning-Luis-Suarez-over-World-Cup-bite.html
Lets be honest, if Suarez had never came to England he wouldn't be getting punished this harshly even if it is his third time biting someone. Dude should have gone to Spain or Italy like most other South American players, he wasn't capable of adapting culturally to Western European sporting standards.
Once he goes to Spain, I don't expect to hear a peep of controversy arising from his actions.
Football players bite each other all the time in Spain and Italy, don't you know that?wtf is this supposed to mean? And i'm not even talking about not including us in Western Europe. Are you suggesting that we are fucking savages?
Lets be honest, if Suarez had never came to England he wouldn't be getting punished this harshly even if it is his third time biting someone. Dude should have gone to Spain or Italy like most other South American players, he wasn't capable of adapting culturally to Western European sporting standards.
Once he goes to Spain, I don't expect to hear a peep of controversy arising from his actions.
Yeah, deep down in the south, we bite people all the time. Bring a rifle if you're planning to visit our countries.Lets be honest, if Suarez had never came to England he wouldn't be getting punished this harshly even if it is his third time biting someone. Dude should have gone to Spain or Italy like most other South American players, he wasn't capable of adapting culturally to Western European sporting standards.
Once he goes to Spain, I don't expect to hear a peep of controversy arising from his actions.
No, this is just plain racism.This is rather xenophobic.
Lets be honest, if Suarez had never came to England he wouldn't be getting punished this harshly even if it is his third time biting someone. Dude should have gone to Spain or Italy like most other South American players, he wasn't capable of adapting culturally to Western European sporting standards.
Once he goes to Spain, I don't expect to hear a peep of controversy arising from his actions.
At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if they (the people defending Suarez's actions) talked/insulted themselves into a team ban for the next world cup.Worstguay keeps on getting worse.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-banning-Luis-Suarez-over-World-Cup-bite.html
Lets be honest, if Suarez had never came to England he wouldn't be getting punished this harshly even if it is his third time biting someone. Dude should have gone to Spain or Italy like most other South American players, he wasn't capable of adapting culturally to Western European sporting standards.
Once he goes to Spain, I don't expect to hear a peep of controversy arising from his actions.
Yeah sorry that was pretty ignorant of me, I meant North Western Europe to be more correct.
At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if they (the people defending Suarez's actions) talked/insulted themselves into a team ban for the next world cup.
SureEven alluding to a World Cup ban only supports the argument that this is being blown out of proportion, it's completely ridiculous.
Worstguay keeps on getting worse.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-banning-Luis-Suarez-over-World-Cup-bite.html
This guy is representing a whole country. It's getting very hard to not condemn the country Uruguay.
Actually it's pretty easy not to - not everyone voted for him, and not everybody who voted for him knew he was going to act like this regarding a football game.
Yeah, well. I said it's getting hard. Not fuck Uruguay for a reason.Actually it's pretty easy not to - not everyone voted for him, and not everybody who voted for him knew he was going to act like this regarding a football game.
HAHA, I'm shocked that people don't get the context in a football thread.That's from the guy who posts "Fuck <country>" and then acts shocked when people take offense.
Yeah, deep down in the south, we bite people all the time. Bring a rifle if you're planning to visit our countries.
What the hell...
You know dude, south Europe is a dangerous place. I'm planning to visit Spain this summer but I'm not sure if i'm gonna be able of adapting culturally to spanish standards. I never fought a bull and they look kinda strong...You're telling me Resident Evil 4 wasn't realistic at all?
The president (the bloomin PRESIDENT!) of Uruguay just publically called FIFA a bunch of bitches because of the ban, I'd hardly call this blowing things out of proportion on the side of people wanting the ban. its absolutely crazy to see a leader of a country do something so stupid over a football player being banned due to assaulting another player, if anything its not the people who wanted the player banned blowing things out of proportion - its the people defending the player that are.Even alluding to a World Cup ban only supports the argument that this is being blown out of proportion, it's completely ridiculous.
No one with a sane mind does actually judges all of you guys.Please don't judge us. This country is batshit crazy for the sport but we are actually nice people.
Yeah, well. I said it's getting hard. Not fuck Uruguay for a reason.
HAHA, I'm shocked that people don't get the context in a football thread.
Scratch that, it shouldn't surprise me. Same guys cheering for whole continents.
The president (the bloomin PRESIDENT!) of Uruguay just publically called FIFA a bunch of bitches because of the ban, I'd hardly call this blowing things out of proportion on the side of people wanting the ban. its absolutely crazy to see a leader of a country do something so stupid over a football player being banned due to assaulting another player, if anything its not the people who wanted the player banned blowing things out of proportion - its the people defending the player that are.
Talking about condescending. It is actually pretty smart. It's also the reason people don't get banned for it in the World Cup thread. It's part of the game.I get that, just wanted to bag on you for your condescending reply just above.![]()
That said, club football is not the same as a World Cup. Like it or not these teams represent their countries so it's not on the same level and it's not smart to ignore that.
uhh, that's the best Uruguay has done in a long time?Their president calling FIFA a bunch of bitches is the best thing Uruguay has done in a long time,
I jjust wanna point out that you are a damn idiot and I wonder why arent you banned?Lets be honest, if Suarez had never came to England he wouldn't be getting punished this harshly even if it is his third time biting someone. Dude should have gone to Spain or Italy like most other South American players, he wasn't capable of adapting culturally to Western European sporting standards.
Once he goes to Spain, I don't expect to hear a peep of controversy arising from his actions.
Probably because we dumb savages from the south are to stupid to report him.I jjust wanna point out that you are a damn idiot and I wonder why arent you banned?
Probably because we dumb savages from the south are to stupid to report him.
I'm actually flabbergasted by this post. Do you actually think that, in the grand scheme of things, anyone is going to evaluate a man's presidency based on comments he made about a fucking sporting organization? Jose Mujica is, in many ways, an excellent president.This guy is representing a whole country. It's getting very hard to not condemn the country Uruguay.
You should applaud the fact that I'm even able to write. Let alone that english is my third language. Grunting and Neanderthal the first and second.#satire
See my post above. If a president can use hyperbole I should be allowed too.I'm actually flabbergasted by this post. Do you actually think that, in the grand scheme of things, anyone is going to evaluate a man's presidency based on comments he made about a fucking sporting organization? Jose Mujica is, in many ways, an excellent president.
"Not even a criminal would receive this penalty"
Uhh... has he never heard of jail or something? I'd struggle to work / spend time with my mates if I was banged up.
Worstguay keeps on getting worse.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-banning-Luis-Suarez-over-World-Cup-bite.html
Biting people is a crime. Which we shouldn't forget.
If you loudly signal your approach with 'Nom, nom, nom, nom' it's actually legal in most English counties.
and Italy and Spain, apparently.