Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 9: F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5
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JediLink
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Sora confirmed.
oreomunsta
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Don't we wish so, KHlover =[
Pop-O-Matic
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Lot of shit in SSE wouldn't look out of place in KH.
JB-the-Hunter
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When 1+1=2 is common knowledge, an argument doesn't need to be presented to prove why it's true. There does need to exist proof to support it, but the proof doesn't always need to be stated. Sometimes the proof is already known. Now, I may be wrong to assume that the other person doesn't already see it as common knowledge, because in my mind the other person is simply denying something that they know to be true, but if that person actually challenges my argument by suggesting proof, that's when I know that the person needs to see proof.
Mega Man X and Legends exists within the same universe as Mega Man, but that does not make them apart of the main series. Mega Man, Mega Man X and Mega Man Legends are all individuals series. Going by the universally accepted notion that when there is more than one series of a single property that are all active at the same time (Spider-Man comics for example) there is usually or always one series that is considered the main one. There is support around the internet for why Mega Man 1-10 is considered the main series, but I am currently on my iPad and searching around the internet would be tedious. If needed I will gather the support later on.
The way you asked that question paints me as the "bad guy" in this conversation ("This guy" "insisting" "just spin-offs"). I trust the Capcom rep to answer the question honestly, but that's emotional manipulation. I'm not going to ask you to change it, but if I was asking the question I would have asked in in a more neutral way:
"I'm currently in an argument with someone about whether or not the games that are not in the original Mega Man series like X and Legends are considered part of the main series.
Does anyone want to clear the situation up?"
In fact, I think I'm gonna submit my more neutral version.
Sylverstone14
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Yep, as expected.
I can feel the amount of hours that'll be lost to Smash Run.
I can feel the amount of hours that'll be lost to Smash Run.
I feel like there was a reason they pulled that pic. It pretty much confirms the Ice Climbers if we're going by the whole, "series has enemy in Smash Run then they have a playable rep", thing. I don't think we're going to see that pic again until after the Ice Climbers are announced.
This is true of any series. It's only more obvious here because the fanbase is divided into two halves that want to murder each other.
Dimitri LH
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Eh, one of my favorite enemies. So im not too bummed.
peanutbutterlatte
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Go to sleep.
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If it's a time related issue, WHY THE HELL can they not all be main series then, going by the bolded
Mega Man 1-6 for NES. 1 in 1986, 6 in 1993 (7 in 1995, 8 in 1996)
Mega Man X and the rest of the X series completeley eclipsed Mega Man 7 and 8, in sales and various other measures, and the X series was more promoted from that point on Mega MAn X was 1993, to 8 in 2004. Iirc, X-X3 are best recieved, most critically acclaimed, etc. Stayed on consoles.
Mega Man Zero, 2002 to Mega Man Zero 4 in 2005. Was a Gameboy Advance series
Mega Man ZX in 2006, ZX Advent in 2007. Was on DS
MegaMan 9 and 10 were in 2008 and 2010, and were on the new generation of consoles.
Asides from Megaman 7 and 8, which were eclipsed by the X series, and the X series and ZX series, which were on a console and handheld respecively, there is 0 overlap with time for each and every series to be the "main" one
And as you keep claiming that classic being the main is fact, and as common knowledge on top of that, but I would like to see someone at Capcom or Inafune say this himself. If there does exist a proof for 1+1=2, ten give us your proof that MM1-10 is the mainline series
JediLink
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Please don't actually do that.
You're not making it more neutral. You're making it more vague. I'm representing you as the guy who thinks that the other series are just spin-offs because that's what you said.
Please just accept that you were wrong on that particular front, and that your line of reason was, well, non-existent.
JB-the-Hunter
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I'd like to point out that this argument is really dumb. There must have been a point to it, but I don't remember.
Edit: Are you serious? How is that making it more vague? I'm not getting rid of the actual quotes. All I did was change the wording so it doesn't come off as "I'm in an argument and I want you on my side" because that's how it comes off.
And no, I'm not "accepting" that I'm wrong... Because I'm not.
Edit: Are you serious? How is that making it more vague? I'm not getting rid of the actual quotes. All I did was change the wording so it doesn't come off as "I'm in an argument and I want you on my side" because that's how it comes off.
And no, I'm not "accepting" that I'm wrong... Because I'm not.
I'm not a part of the debate, but it is a bit silly when these arguments extend to intricate franchises like Mega Man and whatnot. I mean can anyone even manage to clarify what a "mainline Mario" is anymore?
Sure - it's any Mario game with the title that begins with 'Super Mario'. Previously it used to be 'Super Mario Bros.' specifically for 1-3, but since then it's been superceded by Super Mario World, Super Mario All-Stars, Super Mario 64, Super Mario Sunshine, Super Mario Galaxy 1&2 and Super Mario 3DLand/World.
What are we arguing about?
I wonder what the Iridescent Glint Beetle drops - 'keep hitting it for gold' must be a hint, surely?
JediLink
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Oh, I agree that this is dumb. But this is also SmashGAF. Dumb is what we do.
You're making it more vague because asking "Are Mega Man 1-10 the only mainline games, while the rest are all just spin-offs?" leads to the straightfoward answer of "No, of course not", whereas asking "Are games that are not in the original Mega Man series like X and Legends are considered part of the main series?" leads to a more complicated "Well, the classic series is the "main" series, and they're not part of the classic series, but if you mean main series as in the mainline games then yes, they are part of that".
JB-the-Hunter
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I believe it goes SM3DL > NSMB2 > NSMBU > SM3DW.
There's a difference between vague and complicated. There's nothing wrong with getting a complicated answer, because you can still get a definitive answer from it. Not that I was even trying to make it complicated. My neutral version had nothing to do with that, it was more to present the argument in a neutral/unbiased way. A way that wasn't manipulative. In order to get a straight answer from them that doesn't try to throw you a bone because of how you presented the question.
Also, I like how the hypothetical answers you have imply that you are right... "No, of course not." Lol I ain't complaining, I would do it the same way.
Amazeballs
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The Doki Doki Panic re-skin is considered mainline while Mario Land is not? Wuuuuuuuut...
Even in Japan where their 2 was different and they had the original Doki Doki:
1992 is when Japan got it (they call it Super Mario Bros USA) rather than that being the date of the Super Mario All Star pack (1993).
Legendarylemur
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The company itself as a character in Smash?
It deconfirms characters. Any character it eliminates is gone from your game for good. Final Smash appears to do nothing, but resets the roster to include all of Your Favourite newcomers once you start the next match, and instantly deletes them the moment you try and start a match with them.
Legendarylemur
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That sounds downright frightening o.o
Neoriceisgood
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I'm curious, but do people really play random online that much more than online with friends?
Majukun
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the reason is probably the many "make a dick-face mii" tutorials on youtube
I have no friends. ;______;
But seriously, random is useful because you don't have to organise anything. However seeing as I was perfectly content to play both Melee and Brawl a lot against CPUs I'll be able to get a lot of Mii time.
It's just a shame that if one becomes proficient with Miis that one can't use them to kick the buttocks of strangers online.
Which is why the Wii U doesn't show hundreds of Miis when you turn it on.
Beyond every other match being a Hitler or Jesus or Vulva-faced Mii, I imagine it's impossibly hard to balance different sized hitboxes and speeds among three different types of character (swordfighter, pugilist, gunner) with a huge array of customizable movesets. I'll never use a Mii for that reason alone - I'll stick to set characters and moves.
balladofwindfishes
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It's just 9 characters. Probably even easier to balance than just 9 entirely new characters. Or online they could just make everyone the medium sized Mii
So you will disable the custom moves for online friendlies? That's lame
This is why this game really needs communities like MK8. Then you can easily join a group with rules that suit your taste.
DICKS AHOY
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Then make it default to your NNID Mii which Nintendo is fully able to ban in the first place if you're in 'With Anyone' mode.
I don't see why this is a problem in Smash but wasn't in Mario Kart 8.
Call me a traditionalist. Unless they add purple skin and dragon wings and beaks to customize Miis, then I can imagine at least one Mii I'd use.
Zevenberge
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The largest Mii you can use is large, though.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Hah, scale in this game is a joke. Olimar's smaller than a D battery. In Sunshine, Bowser's the size of a volcano. I think Rid's moves are prohibitive because he should be in near-perpetual flight, otherwise he'd be in one of his awkward huddled poses like in Fusion. Or, worse yet, his weird MDK-looking form from Other M.
I know that. But because they banned them from a big part of the game I feel like that they are more of a tool rather than a real fighter. I can see them not going over well even in matches with my friends locally, let alone tournaments. No way they have a chance there if Nintendo themselves thinks they should be banned from certain modes.
JediLink
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By that logic, they also think FD is the one true stage. I guess in the end, we'll just have to wait until the game is out and judge for ourselves.
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