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No more dead mothers are really alive plots

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Agreed.

I'm legitimately surprised that people think this is a possibility at this point. The level of mental gymnastics to make something like that works, as seen in Azula's post, makes this near impossible to pull off without coming off as completely insane or a massive retcon for Bolin and Mako.
 
No more dead mothers are really alive plots

No more

I get why people are theorizing it. It's just the story beats and the shows history of being really on the nose with these things. They have build up and specifically show his mom, then bring up the fact that Mako has her eyes. Then it cuts to the jail later and it doesn't show her face.

Plus if
you look at her face in future episodes, the dimensions are really close. Same length in head shape. Exact same hair line and hair just slightly styled differently. Same lip shape and size. Her eyes and eyebrows are a match too, she's just frowning most of the time. It basically looks like the characters model re-stylized to look bad.

Problem is, the story is impossible. They would have to retcon in a big way. And are they really going to tell the story of a mother cheating on her husband than killing him so she can be with her lover which then leads her to be able to shoot things out of her head? I'm not seeing it. And again that would require a retcon.
 
Are we sure they want to kill Korra? It's likely that I've missed something, but trying to kidnap doesn't necessarily mean they want her dead, especially in a show like this.
 
Are we sure they want to kill Korra? It's likely that I've missed something, but trying to kidnap doesn't necessarily mean they want her dead, especially in a show like this.

The Age of the Avatar is over, is what Zaheer said.

So if not kill her, then uh extract Raava from her and end the Avatar cycle? Seems strange to go back to that, after we already had that plot last season. I guess instead of kill, maybe they want to lock her away for 100 + years (or however long she can last age wise), so that they have an entire world that has a 100 years without an Avatar. Maybe that? I guess it's all semantics really. She might as well be killed if their goal is subdue her and lock her away for 100 years lol. Either way, it seems like their goal is to take Korra out from the world.

If they want to stop the Avatar from having an impact on the world, killing her would just result in another one being born. So maybe you are right about them not wanting to kill her.
 
Episode 3 :
Oh yeah abducting airbenders to make an army and coerce them to fight ?
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG.

/facepalm

To be fair, she's clearly not fit to lead. Hell, even her father was pretty stupid. I mean, sure he finally got his shit together once they showed him the truth. But he was still a pretty poor leader IMO. She's just as bad, she just has a superiority complex and is really tying to "regain the power of the empire" or whatever the fuck that means.

She's looking at things all wrong here. Yeah, it sucks that the Earth Kingdom lost territory to the fire nation. And it sucks that after the war, the Earth Kingdom helped out a lot in re-building the world (but didn't get much in return). But she should be focusing on her own nation now, and why it's failing instead of blaming it on the past. I see her resurrecting the Dai Li (as her own tool this time around), as an example of this foolishness. She probably saw it as a weakness that her Dad got rid of this agency. So she's basically reacting to the moves her father made, and making poor mistakes to correct what she feels was made wrong.

BASICALLY, she's an idiot.

And while I have no doubt that she is MORE in control than her father was (with the Dai Li), I have no doubt they are probably manipulating her. The father was completely docile and kept in the dark, but she is more so using them as her tool. But come on, you know t he Dai Li are probably doing more behind the scenes.
 
In case you forgot
the dai-lee are master hypnotists

To be fair, she's clearly not fit to lead. Hell, even her father was pretty stupid. I mean, sure he finally got his shit together once they showed him the truth. But he was still a pretty poor leader IMO. She's just as bad, she just has a superiority complex and is really tying to "regain the power of the empire" or whatever the fuck that means.

She's looking at things all wrong here. Yeah, it sucks that the Earth Kingdom lost territory to the fire nation. And it sucks that after the war, the Earth Kingdom helped out a lot in re-building the world (but didn't get much in return). But she should be focusing on her own nation now, and why it's failing instead of blaming it on the past. I see her resurrecting the Dai Li (as her own tool this time around), as an example of this foolishness. She probably saw it as a weakness that her Dad got rid of this agency. So she's basically reacting to the moves her father made, and making poor mistakes to correct what she feels was made wrong.

BASICALLY, she's an idiot.

And while I have no doubt that she is MORE in control than her father was (with the Dai Li), I have no doubt they are probably manipulating her. The father was completely docile and kept in the dark, but she is more so using them as her tool. But come on, you know t he Dai Li are probably doing more behind the scenes.

I stand corrected, I completely forgot about the Dai Li and the whole Earth Kingdom debacle in Avatar
plus I mixed it up with King Bumi in my head (._.)
 
The Age of the Avatar is over, is what Zaheer said.

So if not kill her, then uh extract Raava from her and end the Avatar cycle? Seems strange to go back to that, after we already had that plot last season. I guess instead of kill, maybe they want to lock her away for 100 + years (or however long she can last age wise), so that they have an entire world that has a 100 years without an Avatar. Maybe that? I guess it's all semantics really. She might as well be killed if their goal is subdue her and lock her away for 100 years lol. Either way, it seems like their goal is to take Korra out from the world.

If they want to stop the Avatar from having an impact on the world, killing her would just result in another one being born. So maybe you are right about them not wanting to kill her.

You're right, it would be strange, but killing Korra won't end the Avatar cycle, either. So whatever their plan may be, it seems like killing Korra would either be incidental, separate, or superfluous.
 
You're right, it would be strange, but killing Korra won't end the Avatar cycle, either. So whatever their plan may be, it seems like killing Korra would either be incidental, separate, or superfluous.

It would under special circumstances, like killing her in the avatar state.
 
Ah shit forgot about that!

I forgot that was a thing too. Hmm...now the hard part is either forcing her into the Avatar state as she dies and/or being able to kill her in that state. It is possible and Korra is still inexperienced enough for it to happen.

Am I a bad person for wanting the bad guys to actually succeed in doing this?
 
I forgot that was a thing too. Hmm...now the hard part is either forcing her into the Avatar state as she dies and/or being able to kill her in that state. It is possible and Korra is still inexperienced enough for it to happen.

Am I a bad person for wanting the bad guys to actually succeed in doing this?

Yes, you are. There isn't a lot that can justify the murder of a sixteen year old girl, however disagreeable she may be.

Still, I wonder what their reasons are then.
 
Yes, you are. There isn't a lot that can justify the murder of a sixteen year old girl, however disagreeable she may be.

Still, I wonder what their reasons are then.

I'm coming from a story point of view only in this case. I can't really justify the murder of Korra for the reason above and because I have liked her character a ton more this season than last. It would be gutsy and an interesting direction for the show to go in or even a way to end it.

End game of the bad guys is definitely needed too. I hope we get that here by midseason.
 
I'm coming from a story point of view only in this case. I can't really justify the murder of Korra for the reason above and because I have liked her character a ton more this season than last. It would be gutsy and an interesting direction for the show to go in or even a way to end it.

End game of the bad guys is definitely needed too. I hope we get that here by midseason.

The death of a protagonist as a narrative tool can be a powerful one, but I see it too often misused as a way to shock the audience.

Before they even think about killing Korra, they need to embue her and the circumstances around her some kind of significance or meaning. Korra has been a lot more likable this season, but there should be a reason why THIS particular avatar is needed and the next would not work, much like how Aang was special even among other avatars, and not just on a social or spiritual level, but a personal level with the audience. Then Korra's death would be a gut punch. Otherwise...

We don't even know Zaheer's motivations yet. Lets wait a bit before we, literally, jump the gun on this one.
 
It's so nice to have a bunch of people to speculate with. <3

Yes, you are. There isn't a lot that can justify the murder of a sixteen year old girl, however disagreeable she may be.

Still, I wonder what their reasons are then.

Minor detail but I'm pretty sure she's 18 now.
 
Regardless of actual age, there is no justification of killing her no matter how awful she is at doing her job. I wonder if they will have an good backstory to their reasoning for this. It better be good. I mean, when Aang was gone for 100 years, the world went to shit.
 
Regardless of actual age, there is no justification of killing her no matter how awful she is at doing her job. I wonder if they will have an good backstory to their reasoning for this. It better be good. I mean, when Aang was gone for 100 years, the world went to shit.

Yeah, it's just a minor detail.

Killing Korra would be pretty lazy writing IMO and she's just starting to become a whole lot more likeable.
 
Regardless of actual age, there is no justification of killing her no matter how awful she is at doing her job. I wonder if they will have an good backstory to their reasoning for this. It better be good. I mean, when Aang was gone for 100 years, the world went to shit.
In fairness, the world went to shit because the avatar got assassinated by the fire nation.

Usually, when the avatar dies, they are reborn and begin their training at 16 and dont finish until their in their 20's, assuming reincarnation is instant. The world manages to got along pretty well in the down time.
 
In fairness, the world went to shit because the avatar got assassinated by the fire nation.

Usually, when the avatar dies, they are reborn and begin their training at 16 and dont finish until their in their 20's, assuming reincarnation is instant. The world manages to got along pretty well in the down time.

I suppose. But I mean, if there was a strong Avatar during that time past the 20 year down time, Ozai's military push would have been a lot more limited than it was. I actually think an Avatar with full training could have completely demolished it and took out Ozai. (At the very least, it would have been much easier to do so, compared to their strength after they took over x nations).

Not having an Avatar for that long, allowed someone (or an empire) to cause chaos. I'm not saying the Avatar is ONLY used for military disputes. But in this era, there definitely needed to be an Avatar for that. Kind of bad luck that in this era they got a pacifist Avatar lol. Roku fucked up by not putting down the emperor, because of his friendship with him.
 
Why are we spoiler tagging Season 2 when we are on Season 3?

It's not mandatory, some people are just extra cautious since people flip their shit when they are spoiled. *shrugs*

As far as I'm concerned, the only thing that needs to be spoiler tagged is episodes that haven't aired yet. It's then on YOU to stay out of the thread if you aren't caught up.
 
I suppose. But I mean, if there was a strong Avatar during that time past the 20 year down time, Ozai's military push would have been a lot more limited than it was. I actually think an Avatar with full training could have completely demolished it and took out Ozai. (At the very least, it would have been much easier to do so, compared to their strength after they took over x nations).

Not having an Avatar for that long, allowed someone (or an empire) to cause chaos. I'm not saying the Avatar is ONLY used for military disputes. But in this era, there definitely needed to be an Avatar for that. Kind of bad luck that in this era they got a pacifist Avatar lol. Roku fucked up by not putting down the emperor, because of his friendship with him.
It's really simple though. Time had a different metric in those times. It took the Fire Nation over 10 years after Rokus death to mount an attack against the air benders. It took them 40 to 50 years to even reach Ba Sing Se... not having an Avatar in these times was no problem, as any big changes in the world would've required decades to take place....

The advancement of technology actually made the Avatars Job much much harder than ever before. Korra and the Avatars that would follow her, face radical changes and shifts in a fraction of the time that no other Avatar before them had to deal with.
If you ask me, the age of the Avatar is already over, and their power to deal with military aggression is almost nill.


Also to those that laugh about
the Airbending platoon, keep in mind that so far Airbending hasn't been used in any military capacity ever. As an ace in the hole it would be quite a powerful asset, especially since these recruits would definitely not be trained in any traditional airbender way, thus becoming much harder to counter by other troops who would plan their approach by what little they know of Airbenders.
 
It took them 40 to 50 years to even reach Ba Sing Se... not having an Avatar in these times was no problem, as any big changes in the world would've required decades to take place....

I don't really get this. A fully trained Avatar could have stopped them from ever pushing to Ba Sing Se and taking all the territory they did along the way. They also could have taken down the emperor before the Comet, thus saving a lot of people from losing their homes and being uprooted as refugees.

So..I don't get why you guys are saying the Avatar missing didn't really impact the world during this time. I think it could have definitely been an entirely different situation had Aang not been gone as long as he was. The Earth Kingdom in particular (which extends beyond Ba Sing Se) wouldn't have been as impacted as it was.
 
Had not gone back to S02 in a while and finished that last weekend and started S03 right away.
soooooooooooooooo goooood :D:D:D:D

yeah sure their are some stupid moments but every show has that, its fantastic so far and i love it all over again not sure why I ever stopped watching S02 to begin with.
 
I don't really get this. A fully trained Avatar could have stopped them from ever pushing to Ba Sing Se and taking all the territory they did along the way. They also could have taken down the emperor before the Comet, thus saving a lot of people from losing their homes and being uprooted as refugees.

So..I don't get why you guys are saying the Avatar missing didn't really impact the world during this time. I think it could have definitely been an entirely different situation had Aang not been gone as long as he was. The Earth Kingdom in particular (which extends beyond Ba Sing Se) wouldn't have been as impacted as it was.

There's something to be said for the Avatar's job getting much harder, and for the usual 20-ish year gap to be much more of a problem going forward. The Fire Nation was only in a position to take out the air nomads in the first place because of improved technology. This sort of stalled, and the time gap in ATLA is a little hard to make sense of, but clearly as of the start of Korra we're somewhere around WW1 capabilities. It's totally feasible now for political boundaries to change completely in 16 years.
 
I suppose. But I mean, if there was a strong Avatar during that time past the 20 year down time, Ozai's military push would have been a lot more limited than it was. I actually think an Avatar with full training could have completely demolished it and took out Ozai. (At the very least, it would have been much easier to do so, compared to their strength after they took over x nations).

Not having an Avatar for that long, allowed someone (or an empire) to cause chaos. I'm not saying the Avatar is ONLY used for military disputes. But in this era, there definitely needed to be an Avatar for that. Kind of bad luck that in this era they got a pacifist Avatar lol. Roku fucked up by not putting down the emperor, because of his friendship with him.

I'm not sure what you mean. Ozai didn't exist at the time of Aang's birth.

And while I agree that a lack of an avatar can give someone opportunities for chaos, it seems that it's usually not the case. For the most part, the nations don't go to war with each other, which makes sense since they all seem to flourish under their own resources.

The advancement of technology actually made the Avatars Job much much harder than ever before. Korra and the Avatars that would follow her, face radical changes and shifts in a fraction of the time that no other Avatar before them had to deal with.
If you ask me, the age of the Avatar is already over, and their power to deal with military aggression is almost nill.

I wouldn't say they're ability to deal with military aggression is anywhere near nil. A fully trained avatar in the avatar state is still the most powerful human on earth. Nothing in Korra has yet measured up to the sheer power (maybe UnaVaatu, but since he was essentially the avatars negative equal at that point, I think that proves my point) and capability Aang showed in his fight with Ozai, and other Avatars performed similar feats. Kyoshi split up a part of a continent when she wanted to. And Koizilla would wreck shit like he did back at the north pole.

Strangely though, Korra has yet to demonstrate that kind of power, even before losing her past lives. Her AS is more of a slight power up instead of the ascension to godhood levels of power most seem to have.

Either way, you dump Kyoshi in the modern era, she'd put any upstart in their place, like the current earth queen.

There's something to be said for the Avatar's job getting much harder, and for the usual 20-ish year gap to be much more of a problem going forward. The Fire Nation was only in a position to take out the air nomads in the first place because of improved technology. This sort of stalled, and the time gap in ATLA is a little hard to make sense of, but clearly as of the start of Korra we're somewhere around WW1 capabilities. It's totally feasible now for political boundaries to change completely in 16 years.

Which is why the key part of the avatar's training should be them getting aclimated to the current politics of the four nations, not throwing around fire.
 
I don't really get this. A fully trained Avatar could have stopped them from ever pushing to Ba Sing Se and taking all the territory they did along the way. They also could have taken down the emperor before the Comet, thus saving a lot of people from losing their homes and being uprooted as refugees.

So..I don't get why you guys are saying the Avatar missing didn't really impact the world during this time. I think it could have definitely been an entirely different situation had Aang not been gone as long as he was. The Earth Kingdom in particular (which extends beyond Ba Sing Se) wouldn't have been as impacted as it was.

Well yeah, I don't see why anyone would be contesting that. It was the 100 year absence that created that huge rift that even Korra still has to deal with. Every piece of politics that Korra has deal with is a direct result of a 100 years without an Avatar.

I'd even argue that this long absence has actually made the Avatars role irrelevant in the big scheme of things, especially regarding the inability to properly and timely respond to changes happening in the "down time" between Avatars.

At best Korra and future Avatars can hope to become mediators. The time of Avatars as big military heroes that saved whole civilizations is over. Unless they go Nuclear on everyone's ass, blasting everyone back to the stone age.

Either way, you dump Kyoshi in the modern era, she'd put any upstart in their place, like the current earth queen.

And then what? The scale of military engagement is so much bigger in this time, that the only real option for an Avatar would be to literally wipe out a whole Nation or fleet, either by killing everyone or crippling their industries and defences to a point where they're as good as dead or open to the next attack.

Kyoshi splitting up a continent in this era would only delay a military aggression for days. Back in her time it actually made an invasion impossible.


Basically what I'm saying is that the best an Avatar can be at this point is an impartial mediator, and little more. It's authority needs to come from wisdom, not power.
 
At best Korra and future Avatars can hope to become mediators. The time of Avatars as big military heroes that saved whole civilizations is over. Unless they go Nuclear on everyone's ass, blasting everyone back to the stone age.

*sigh*

That is what they essentially always were. For all the people who hate Korra for being a hothead who just wants to kick ass, it's shocking how many people forget that the avatars being military heroe's has always been just a side gig.

But even assuming the that was the trend, it hardly seems to be dying out. Amon was a city wide threat who intended to be spread to the rest of the globe, and he needed to be stopped. Same with Unalaq. And now this new group pose a threat to the whole world according to Zuko.

World threatening events are more populous than ever since Korra arrived.

And then what? The scale of military engagement is so much bigger in this time, that the only real option for an Avatar would be to literally wipe out a whole Nation or fleet, either by killing everyone or crippling their industries and defences to a point where they're as good as dead or open to the next attack.

Kyoshi splitting up a continent in this era would only delay a military aggression for days. Back in her time it actually made an invasion impossible.


Basically what I'm saying is that the best an Avatar can be at this point is an impartial mediator, and little more. It's authority needs to come from wisdom, not power.

Uh...I wasn't suggesting she split a continent everytime a disagreement pops up. My point was that her power was such that nothing in the current modern world would touch her. If she can split up a continent, she can probably do comparable things like sink Ba Sing Se if she wanted to. There's no army or technology in the world that can stand up to something like that at present. Maybe once they invent nuclear weaponry. And given Kyoshi has no issues with killing, she'd probably just kill the earth queen and tell the next one to stop the bullshit. Much like Roku would have done if he had killed Sozin for his military aggression and the next one didn't drop the whole 'invade the world' plot.

And like I said, the traditional role of the Avatar is a mediator anyway. You seem to have as much a misconception of what the avatar is as Korra.
 
The advancement of technology actually made the Avatars Job much much harder than ever before. Korra and the Avatars that would follow her, face radical changes and shifts in a fraction of the time that no other Avatar before them had to deal with.
If you ask me, the age of the Avatar is already over, and their power to deal with military aggression is almost nill.

i thought the same until book 2, with Korra basically keeping herself in a job by leaving the portals to the spirit world open.

i dont know how much crossover there will inevitably be with the spirit world and the human world (like the spirit wilds taking over republic city), but i can only imagine that it will slow down further industrialization. great spiritual leaders are going to have to come back in fashion so that the two sides can co-exist.

i mean, even at the basic level, the spirit forests are blocking off roads and the vines are constricting occupied homes. industrialization and militarization can't compete with that. but the Avatar sure as hell can.
 
Watched the first 2 episodes
Woah Zuko's still alive and kicking.
I think it's weird that out of all the Elements, suddenly there is a burst in Air Benders, and I don't like their approach to getting more Air Benders trained.

Liking the new villains though
the lady with the water whip arms reminded me of spiderman heh
 
i mean, even at the basic level, the spirit forests are blocking off roads and the vines are constricting occupied homes. industrialization and militarization can't compete with that. but the Avatar sure as hell can.

Evidentally not, given the first episode. ANd that's how it should be. The avatar is the bridge to the spirit world, not the boss of it.
 
i thought the same until book 2, with Korra basically keeping herself in a job by leaving the portals to the spirit world open.

i dont know how much crossover there will inevitably be with the spirit world and the human world (like the spirit wilds taking over republic city), but i can only imagine that it will slow down further industrialization. great spiritual leaders are going to have to come back in fashion so that the two sides can co-exist.

i mean, even at the basic level, the spirit forests are blocking off roads and the vines are constricting occupied homes. industrialization and militarization can't compete with that. but the Avatar sure as hell can.

Agreed. The fusion of both worlds (or at least the teardown of their respective borders) is actually something that makes the Avatar still matter. The Avatars authority will have to rely on this aspect. Especially since it is obvious that dedicated normal humans/benders are more than able to influence or benefit from the spirits powers (Iroh, Zhao, Unalaq)
Even the current villains and the threat they pose is a direct result of this fusion. Korra will have to choose. Keep the portals open, allowing the powers that ensue to be used for personal or national gain (like the Earth Queen using Airbenders to boost her military power) or to shut it down, and let the Avatar become obsolete in the process.

*sigh*

Uh...I wasn't suggesting she split a continent everytime a disagreement pops up. My point was that her power was such that nothing in the current modern world would touch her. If she can split up a continent, she can probably do comparable things like sink Ba Sing Se if she wanted to. There's no army or technology in the world that can stand up to something like that at present. Maybe once they invent nuclear weaponry. And given Kyoshi has no issues with killing, she'd probably just kill the earth queen and tell the next one to stop the bullshit. Much like Roku would have done if he had killed Sozin for his military aggression and the next one didn't drop the whole 'invade the world' plot.

And like I said, the traditional role of the Avatar is a mediator anyway. You seem to have as much a misconception of what the avatar is as Korra.

Again and do what? Commit genocide or cripple a nation to a point that allows another nation to swoop in for the kill once the Avatar is down?
The Avatar has been a mediator that was able to perform it's duties mostly because there was no opposition in the world that was able to rival them. Plenty of times armies, nations and individuals tried to contest that power, and every time the respective Avatar put them in their place... but technology has thrown off that power balance to a point where it's simply ridiculous to expect the Avatar to be a mediator simply by relying on their traditional role as an impartial ass kicker.

I'm not saying the Avatar doesn't still have the power to end every conflict, but the violence and brutality needed to do so in Korras time is on such a scale that it would make Zozins genocide look like a luke warm fart.
 
Regardless of actual age, there is no justification of killing her no matter how awful she is at doing her job. I wonder if they will have an good backstory to their reasoning for this. It better be good. I mean, when Aang was gone for 100 years, the world went to shit.

Actually there were good things that came from Aang being gone for 100 years. Obviously a lot of bad shit, but his absence let technology and culture evolve in an exponential way from a society that was apparently stagnant with constant Avatar "balancing" going on.
 
For the record, here are the chief exploits of the past avatars according to the show:

Avatar Wan: Once Vaatu was vanquished, it's unclear how many wars he fought in, but I remember the dialogue saying it was several. If I'm wrong, someone feel free to correct me.

Known Military exploits: "several"

Avatar Yangchen: We only saw her advise Aang. According to other material, she fought a dark spirit, which I don't count because we don't know what that entails. The airbenders apparently made a festival out of it, but since when do pacifistic monks make national holidays over military conquests? Whatever, I'm counting the show only anyway.

Known military exploits: 0

Avatar Kuruk: Known for his lack of responsibility. He went around and fought a lot of agni kai, neglecting his duties. He lost his lovers face back to Koh the face stealer.

Known military exploits: 0

Avatar Kyoshi: Stopped Chin the Conqueror.

Known Military exploits: 1.

Avatar Roku: His life is defined by a lack of military exploits. He stopped the Sozin before a real invasion became necessary, then just lived peacefully since then as far as we can see.

Known Military Exploits: 0

Avatar Aang: It's hard to quantify this one. On one hand, he was part of several operations against the fire nation. On the other hand, his only main goal was just stopping the fire nation, so you could say those were just several skirmishes in one ongoing conflict. I'll count it as 3, if only because there are only 3 instances where the a significant portion of the population was in danger: The Northern Water Tribe invasion, the attack on Ba Sing Se lead by Azula, and attack on Ba Sing Se lead by Ozai. And it should be noted that Aang, of all avatars, considered himself a mediator first and a warrior second.

Known military exploits: 3

Avatar Korra: There's amon, UnaVaatu, and now presumably this Anti-Krew.

Known military exploits: 2, pending on 3.

Total military exploits in the last 6 avatars: 7, with half of them not experiencing a single need for military exploitation in their lives. Aang was unique in that he became active in the middle of the worst war the world has ever seen. Korra and Wan are the only ones who have attracted multiple different national level threats in their lifetimes.

So I hope that's proof that while the avatar is indeed a warrior, that's not what they've been known for being. If anything, it's a notion invented by Legend of Korra.

Again and do what? Commit genocide or cripple a nation to a point that allows another nation to swoop in for the kill once the Avatar is down?
The Avatar has been a mediator that was able to perform it's duties mostly because there was no opposition in the world that was able to rival them. Plenty of times armies, nations and individuals tried to contest that power, and every time the respective Avatar put them in their place... but technology has thrown off that power balance to a point where it's simply ridiculous to expect the Avatar to be a mediator simply by relying on their traditional role as an impartial ass kicker.

I'm not saying the Avatar doesn't still have the power to end every conflict, but the violence and brutality needed to do so in Korras time is on such a scale that it would make Zozins genocide look like a luke warm fart.

What? Why are you skipping to the avatar doing national level damage? Just replace the guy in charge if he is dangerous with someone who is not. Like they've always done when someone is too out of line. And again, the avatar is powerful enough that there is still nothing the modern world can compete with. What weapons are you referring to that can supposedly make the avatar obsolete? The only thing we've seen is mechs, which normal benders can take care of, electric gloves, which dont' give much more of an advantage, and cannons that can fire stuff slightly harder than people can from their hands. Which of any of these is going to make someone who can chunk a continent somewhere even blink?

And for the record, the avatar did not immediately use fear to make mediation work. Look at how people treat the avatar throughout TLA. Instant respect, whether they are common born peasants or nobles. The only ones who don't are people who are against him or that he later offends in some way. Respect for the avatar went a long way in politics back then. It's only in Korra that rulers (The council of book 1, the president, the queen) don't really respect nowadays.
 
I'm not sure what you mean. Ozai didn't exist at the time of Aang's birth.

And while I agree that a lack of an avatar can give someone opportunities for chaos, it seems that it's usually not the case. For the most part, the nations don't go to war with each other, which makes sense since they all seem to flourish under their own resources.



I wouldn't say they're ability to deal with military aggression is anywhere near nil. A fully trained avatar in the avatar state is still the most powerful human on earth. Nothing in Korra has yet measured up to the sheer power (maybe UnaVaatu, but since he was essentially the avatars negative equal at that point, I think that proves my point) and capability Aang showed in his fight with Ozai, and other Avatars performed similar feats. Kyoshi split up a part of a continent when she wanted to. And Koizilla would wreck shit like he did back at the north pole.

Strangely though, Korra has yet to demonstrate that kind of power, even before losing her past lives. Her AS is more of a slight power up instead of the ascension to godhood levels of power most seem to have.

Either way, you dump Kyoshi in the modern era, she'd put any upstart in their place, like the current earth queen.



Which is why the key part of the avatar's training should be them getting aclimated to the current politics of the four nations, not throwing around fire.

I mean Ozai's father. But even by the time Aang would have been really old, Ozai would have been around. My point is, the Avatar could have stopped them from growing as powerful nation. The absence of an Avatar definitely had an impact.
 
I mean Ozai's father. But even by the time Aang would have been really old, Ozai would have been around. My point is, the Avatar could have stopped them from growing as powerful nation. The absence of an Avatar definitely had an impact.

Yeah, no denying that. Sozin wanted to start his campaign when he was in his 30's or so, but Roku's presence kept him from it until he was in his 60's. So, yeah, I definitely agree that the presence of the avatar acts as a deterrent and the absence leaves a gap of power that others can exploit.

But Sozin and his descendants were the exception, not the norm. And besides, it's not like the avatar can be everywhere at once even when he is active, so the fact that a single avatar is somehow a capable keeper of peace in a world of 4 nations seems a testament to how peaceful the world is usually. I mean, avatar or not, if all 4 nations decided they wanted to go to war, what could the avatar do? In the time he's putting down one invasion, another is happening.

So the four nations must be usually capable of getting along without the avatar watching over them for the most part. Which I like. I hate it when a single person has to babysit entire city-states incapable of taking care of themselves or behaving.
 
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