Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I guess I find it weird that giantbomb didn't actually directly instigate it, yet it's the site which became a major part of the issue.
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I guess I find it weird that giantbomb didn't actually directly instigate it, yet it's the site which became a major part of the issue.
I agree that the majority seem welcoming.
Unfortunately it's far too easy to focus on the negative, especially when it's focused at you.
That may just be me, though.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Well, at this point I wonder if Maddy Myers has basically ruined her chances for the job if they actually do hire more people and are looking outside their immediate circle of friends.
I'm sure it's impossible to know, but the understanding most people have is that jobs are almost always based on networking and having friends recommend friends. Being hired straight from a posting seems rare, unless the job is a relatively disposable one.
I'm not aware of what her reaction was. If it was "yeah, I applied for that job and I'm bummed I didn't get it, but maybe next time," it may not be that big of a deal. If it was the opposite of that, then yeah, she's probably not getting that job, however if she were to have some sort of evidence or even a strong belief that a public outburst was the reason she didn't get the job, she could claim that as retaliation and start a lawsuit.
Btw, in case you haven't noticed, hiring people is the worrrrrrssttt.
Is he going? He better take his camera...
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I hope so!
On a complete side note, I hope that they go to CAX this year. I don't know if any of them are into arcades anymore, but I miss the stories of random haggling and shady deals and pot smoking teens at the Hyatt.
Finding a job is harder though. lol
I guess when it became clear that Dan was the new hire, it made perfect sense for Jeff and Giantbomb and it became clear that the job position was never really "open". I have known many people who were contractors where their companies created new positions just to hire them, even though they posted the positions to the public. Others in this thread have said the same. It's just standard practice.
I know that there are probably legal ramifications and whatnot if an employer actually said that a job position was created for a known candidate for the purposes of hiring that candidate... but I also feel like that there should be a way to communicate that to people to make them understand how the world works.
Now, all of this doesn't really address the core criticism of people criticizing the hiring in the first place - that game journalism careers have all been about friends hiring friends, which creates a homogeneous work place, but that's just unfortunately how it works out nowadays.
It was certainly easier to get into the field 10 years ago. A lot of the 1up, Gamespot, and IGN guys that we all know were from outside of the circle of friends. But as the industry contracts, it seems less likely that someone completely unknown will get a shot at a job at one of these places.
As for Maddy Myers, she posted a lengthy blog post spilling about her experiences trying to find a job and speaking to game journalists and tried to keep it all anonymous, but of course she is now the face of the issue so they have to know about her at this point.
SteveWinwood
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Is brad going to the International?
ReignofSparrows
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Lol, what?
Die Squirrel Die
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Also is it naive of me to hope that maybe this whole incident will teach Brad and Alex some humility when it comes to internet communities, and a few bad apples in a group doesn't make it okay to shit on everybody else?
7DollarHagane
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Do people really distrust Jeff and the rest of the guys about their hiring decisions this much?
The dude clearly knows what he's doing and isn't a jerk to anyone? Why people would question his motivations is beyond me.
The dude clearly knows what he's doing and isn't a jerk to anyone? Why people would question his motivations is beyond me.
He said he would be going.
Alex has already admitted that Coldman is good people.
I doubt she would apply again after all that abuse. The bigger question is - has she ruined her chances of getting hired by any big site? She has raised her profile but an internet search is a common part of the hiring proccesx these days and HR really tend to frown on vocal trouble makers - regardless of their best intentions.
Also, she is pretty niche. I doubt she was in the running or would be in the future.
TheSadRanger
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As I said in the last page I think it's because they're such a personality driven site and because a ton of their content is done in front of a camera.
Well that attention came a lot from Ryan's passing initially and then you got big pieces of the site moving and shifting. All eyes were on the guys to see how they'd handle the year and they handled it wonderfully. I feel like this year despite how tragic it started was exceedingly positive for the community and the face of Giantbomb.
So with all that a lot of people knew they'd be hiring and when that notice went up it was only a matter of time before something like this would happen.
It couldn't happen with IGN or Polygon or Gamepspot. I can name Danny O'Dwyer from GS and that's it. None of those sites are as "big" as GB. Sure they got more money and staff, but they're in no way as respected or lauded for their thoughts and image. GB is special and that's why people fight so fervently on both sides.
It was always going to get ugly.
7DollarHagane
Banned
It is really sad that a year after Ryan passing we have such ugliness on the site. I know Ryan would not have wanted this kind of mess going on at giant bomb,
TharpDaddy
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I'm curious to see how Jason plays out in the GB dynamic. From what i heard on the podcast his personality doesn't seem as strong or 'defined' as Dan's. He probably needs some time to grow his persona a bit kinda like how Drew did once he was on camera more. It's entirely possible as well that Jason will have little screen time and will free up Drew to be in more content. His fighting game experience might very well give him a leg up in Windjammers too, can he upset Jeff?
outunderthestars
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What happened with Maddy Myers?
SteveWinwood
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I hope so. Now that Vinnie is in NY, Jeff is sitting easy as king. Rorie needs to train as well.
I think Jason will be mainly on the sidelines doing the A/V work, a pinch-hitter on the podcast or a quick look if needed.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
On her podcast that was posted yesterday, she brings up other game journalism job postings (IGN is apparently hiring a news editor) and says that she expects those jobs to be filled by the same type of people as well, so... yeah, her opinions on the matter are pretty clear.
TharpDaddy
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Rorie is busy training for his esport career in Nidhogg. I think it will come down to Jason or Brad "Southern Comfort" Shoemaker.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Also, 6 things about Cacodemons that have to be seen to be believed.
TharpDaddy
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This is one of the best moments of the podcast no doubt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzZf6S8hqUw
Was brad ever that good though? I always ranked it Jeff = Vinnie > Rorie > Brad > Drew
Nidhogg is a whole other beast.
And speaking of beasts, Brad is still king of Gang Beasts.
I just want a tourney of these duders playing through WJ, GB, NH. Would be sweet.
TharpDaddy
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Brad wasn't that great at it nope, but that's why he's a prime candidate. Vinny flies down and records Brad's intense training, cuts it together into a Rocky-style montage and releases it after Brad upsets Jeff.
Real talk - most people (women and minorities included) ruin their chances of "dream jobs" at mainstream places like Giant Bomb because they're not actually listening to what employers want and are instead focused on writing articles which look good on their tumblr portfolios. What use is that to a video based outlet?
If people new to the industry want a perfect example of how to land the job when you're competing against industry veterans with tons of experience - look at Danny O'Dwyer's personal YouTube channel and his Citizen Game one. Him and his friends set up a blog and fucking went for it. They got a camera, made interview requests and just filmed the results. It looks amateur as fuck and got no views but so what?
This shit happens in every industry. Employers say one thing, but potential employees are scared stepping outside their comfort zone and don't do it (but happily bitch about rejection).
Of the thousands (???) of applicants, I'd wager there were far less realistic candidates than we think. Even as much as I'd love to see Cara hired one day, there's an arguement to be made that she's currently too focused on the written word for GB standards and Jeff wouldn't be comfortable asking someone to stop doing what they love and instead make videos most of the day. That could be an incorrect assumption but how are the decision makers to know if there's no evidence out there?
Brad was only king when Jeff wasn't around.
This is well done from Jeff. Hopefully this shuts down some of the more extreme people. There really are some crazies in the Giant Bomb community. It doesn't address the initial criticism towards the hires but Jeff shouldn't have to explain himself for those hires at all, so good on him for not doing that.
It makes me really angry and sad that some portion of GB fans are such shit bags that Jeff had to make a statement like that and that you can't be a popular games related thing on the Internet without some portion of your fans being shit bags. Now the staff might feel somewhat responsible for the way people acted in their "name" when they actually had no control over it.
Jeff's blog post was really smart. It said what it needed to say without lighting fires on any side of the political or social spectrum. People who get offended by it at this point are almost assuredly the people who will inevitably get offended by anything that doesn't represent their personal, narrow perspective (again, on either side).
stump sock
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it's always weird and funny when he finds something that clicks with him like that. he becomes a monster.
the shift from narcoleptic to rabid attack animal never stops being amusing.
BannedEpisode
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They really have no obligation to defend the hiring of two very qualified guys.
On the other hand, people tend to take silence as an admission of guilt, even if the accusation of misogyny is built on an extremely sandy foundation. I would make a statement of some kind.
On the other hand, people tend to take silence as an admission of guilt, even if the accusation of misogyny is built on an extremely sandy foundation. I would make a statement of some kind.
Awesome!
Speaking of meanies on the internet [via Klepek's twitter]
Relative to what youtube comments are generally like that might as well be the nicest thing anyone has ever said to another human being.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
No, they fastest way to not be involved is not to involve yourself at all. Telling people who think that they represent you to not be dicks is great though.
She's a women in gaming with opinions, sexiest monsters decided she should be punished for this.
I'm preserving this.
outunderthestars
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Ah. I've really enjoyed her podcasts and articles. I hope she finds a full time gig somewhere.
Speaking of meanies on the internet [via Klepek's twitter]
Oh dear, he shouldn't be reading YouTube comments.
Sleeping Lesson
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*Woman
*Sexist
Normally wouldn't feel the need, but in this case I thought you might want to know.
OdysseusVA
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The sexiest? They must be very sexy
That is the most delightful typo I've seen in a while. An unintended but welcome lightning of the mood.
Patrick is a bad influence on all of you.
LifeIsLife
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I dont necessarily agree with this. It seems more like she had opinions but didnt express them in a constructive manner and got attacked for it and then continued to enage the people who attacked her and created a vicious cycle
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