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[Warchamp7]

Yes, we do. She's got a seperate slot on the site. There's no way she's an alt costume.

Wii Fit Trainer and Villager are simply gender swaps. Lucina is an entirely other character (Newcomer status) who's entire schtick is looking and fighting like Marth

I'm willing to bet she's a new pseudo costume for Marth, and we'll get Dark Pit for Pit in a similar manner

 

[MrSaturn99]

lucina is driving us apart

we have to share our waifu with care

 

[Beelzebufo]

Who on earth has suggested that Lucina's moves don't have different properties other than you? Mario and Dr Mario move exactly the same, but plenty of their moves affect the enemy differently. Just like Fox/Falco. I cannot understand why you're acting like identically-animating clones are a new thing in SSB.

Have you seen the video? And like I said, even Doctor Mario has pills. They're exactly the same.

Wii Fit Trainer and Villager are simply gender swaps. Lucina is an entirely other character (Newcomer status) who's entire schtick is looking and fighting like Marth

I'm willing to bet she's a new pseudo costume for Marth, and we'll get Dark Pit for Pit in a similar manner

Don't let them hear you, that kind of talk isn't tolerated on these boards, apparently.

 

[SuperSah]

Lucina will have her own slot.


I love the trailer's art style. They nailed the colours and animation and damn it looks GOOD in 1080p.

Amazing how much Sakurai threw us off. Glad to know the gematsu leak isn't totally accurate.

Chrom looks to be part of Robin's FS which relates to the partner up feature in Awakening.

 

[Grakl]

Like you are, that's the point. You have no idea if Lucina is a clone or an alt, none of us do. It's up in the air.

no I'm really not lol, especially since sakurai stated that he didn't want different characters to be alt costumes for other characters

 

[Beelzebub]

If Lucina plays like a better Marth I'm all for it.

 

[emb]

Remember how Roy's moves looked different and had different properties?

Have you seen all of her moves? I saw uair, nair, up B, and side B. (Did I miss any? Please correct me if so.)

Let's say I showed you a glance of Melee Mario and Dr. Mario's uair, nair, up B, and side B. Other than the cape being white instead of yellow, can you tell the difference?

Given that none of us are super familiar with this game, and percents weren't even shown the one time we saw those moves, how can we say her moveset is the exact same?

 

[Labrynian Rebel]

So Lucina "wastes a slot" and needs to be in a submenu?

 

[Distresssss]

Wii Fit Trainer and Villager are simply gender swaps. Lucina is an entirely other character (Newcomer status) who's entire schtick is looking and fighting like Marth

I'm willing to bet she's a new pseudo costume for Marth, and we'll get Dark Pit for Pit in a similar manner

You are wrong but you are free to believe what you want.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Lucina will have her own slot.

But she might not. Unless you have some groundbreaking evidence that says otherwise? Are you Sakurai?

 

[Fey]

GODcina doubters aka the Supermanisdeads of the world right now

"why am i always so wrong"

 

[greycolumbus]

Her move set is literally exactly the same. If she was an alt for Marth, this is exactly what it would look like. We won't know anything more until Sakurai clarifies further. Even if she does have her own slot on the select screen, she's essentially an alt for Marth anyway.

But it's a shame that everyone's so hostile today. I'm not gonna try arguing with a brick wall, so I'm gonna stop. Hopefully Sakurai clarifies soon, I'm interested to see what her situation is.



"So confident"? I said it's 50/50. Which it is.

That's pretty funny. It's like saying "I'm right either way so there."

 

[Tathanen]

Have you seen the video? And like I said, even Doctor Mario has pills. They're exactly the same.

Oh MY GOD are you literally illiterate. We have seen FIVE of Lucina's 12+ attacks. Mario and Dr Mario are 100% identical animation-wise EXCEPT for the pill. ONE attack. Stop acting like you have seen her whole moveset.

 

[georly]

I always took an alt to be a different skin for a character - more substantial than a palette swap but not a completely different character. Thus Villager's various forms are alts, and Wario's overalls are an alt, but clones like Roy aren't alts.

Yeah, that's what it is to me, too. We need to have a clear definition because some people don't.

An alt is an alternate costume or version of the same character. Two different characters with two different names are not alts of each other, even if their move sets are similar. The only confusing one might be link / toon link but, again, they have 'different' names.

Examples of alts already in the game (or previous):
Little mac/Wireframe mac (reskin)/Pink sweatsuit mac
Warioware wario/overalls wario
Male/Female of all characters who have 2 genders.

Things that are not alts but may be confused as such:
Marth/Roy and Marth/Lucina
Link/Young Link/Toon Link
Fox/Falco/Wolf
Pikachu/Pichu

and I feel really sorry if you think Luigi is an alt of Mario.

 

[omegashockwave]

Remember how Roy's moves looked different and had different properties?

Remember how Mario and Dr Mario's moved behaved differently? Dr. Mario's side smash had no sourspot and his forward air wasn't a meteor smash. Clone characters are always like this.

 

[rekameohs]

Remember how Roy's moves looked different and had different properties?


See, this is just close-minded. We have no reason to believe that's the case.

No, there is literally zero evidence to support your claim. Everything says she is a new character. You may want her to be an alternate costume, but there is absolutely zero evidence of this.

 

[Lunar15]

Well, now that we can somewhat disregard the Gematsu leak, does this mean that there's a possibility that Dark Pit really will be his own character?

They were clearly hinting at some kind of Dark Pit representation at the end of the Palutena trailer.

 

[BassForever]

Here is the ultimate proof that Lucina is her own slot and not just an alt

She has a unique animation for her intro, taking off the mask before the fight. If she was just an alternate costume she'd just have Marth's intro.

 

[Beelzebufo]

That's pretty funny. It's like saying "I'm right either way so there."

I was never taking a position either way, so how could I be right? I'm already right in that I'm saying we don't know for sure what her situation is, which we don't.

 

[georly]

Here is the ultimate proof that Lucina is her own slot and not just an alt

She has a unique animation for her intro, taking off the mask before the fight. If she was just an alternate costume she'd just have Marth's intro.

I'm hoping that's her alternate costume, too; just like little mac.

 

[Grakl]

Here is the ultimate proof that Lucina is her own slot and not just an alt

She has a unique animation for her intro, taking off the mask before the fight. If she was just an alternate costume she'd just have Marth's intro.

tru dat

 

[Karsticles]

You know, looking at the roster, we've only had...one villain revealed?

I wonder if Sakurai is saving a bunch of villains for a mass reveal like in this trailer. Ganondorf, Metaknight, Ridley...

Edit: Also, I need to take my "L" for Robin. I outright said he wouldn't be picked because he was a custom character, and I was wrong.

 

[L00P]

I like how captain falcon was in this trailer for no real reason.

I guess he's just there to beat Chrom's ass and tell everybody that he will not be playable

 

[Tathanen]

I was never taking a position either way, so how could I be right? I'm already right in that I'm saying we don't know for sure what her situation is, which we don't.

Stop saying we.

Stop saying it.

 

[HawthorneKitty]

And the winner is Marth.
It's Lucina.

U wot m8

 

[ffdgh]

Lucina already has her waifu.

...That could easily be her mom

 

[SmithnCo]

Here is the ultimate proof that Lucina is her own slot and not just an alt

She has a unique animation for her intro, taking off the mask before the fight. If she was just an alternate costume she'd just have Marth's intro.

Thank you. I highly doubt they would give this sort of treatment to an alt costume.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Here is the ultimate proof that Lucina is her own slot and not just an alt

She has a unique animation for her intro, taking off the mask before the fight. If she was just an alternate costume she'd just have Marth's intro.

So you think Sweatshirt Little Mac is still going to pull of a sweatshirt? Alts can have different openings, that doesn't say anything either way. We really just don't know.

 

[PKrockin]

Damn, calm down you guys, personally I think it's possible she's an alt given that she's not just a different style of Marth or different costume yet seems to share the exact same moveset as far as I can tell. But whether she's an alt or clone the only thing it even affects is whether she has her own icon on the character select screen. There's no need to lose your shit arguing about it.

 

[Azure J]

This Lucina thing is spiraling out of control now. Let's just agree to not talk about it and move on to best newcomer FE female.

So who's maining (fem)Robin?

@PKRockin: That's where I've been the whole time but the vitriol shown at even presenting the idea that she's anything but her own character in the face of other active circumstances and the brazenness of people on the other side arguing that she is a Marth alt make me kind of want to go back in time and never say as much.

 

[ColossalLazy]

But she might not. Unless you have some groundbreaking evidence that says otherwise? Are you Sakurai?

lol you serious the site is evidence enough

 

[Kriken]

Lucina's having her own slot, it's not the first time Marth has had a clone character with a unique slot

I'm hoping that's her alternate costume, too; just like little mac.

She takes off the mask to reveal another mask?

 

[exfatal]

Have you seen all of her moves? I saw uair, nair, up B, and side B. (Did I miss any? Please correct me if so.)

Let's say I showed you a glance of Melee Mario and Dr. Mario's uair, nair, up B, and side B. Other than the cape being white instead of yellow, can you tell the difference?

Given that none of use are super familiar with this game, and percents weren't even shown the one time we saw those moves, how can we say her moveset is the exact same?

dont bother, he'll just ignore anyone who brings up seeing the whole move set, cause he's talking outta his ass. Nintendo even went out of there way to say the chrom wasn't playable (even though it was obvious to me at least). Why would they leave people confused about lucina being a her own character, unless they thought it was obvious?

 

[MrSaturn99]

Well, now that we can somewhat disregard the Gematsu leak, does this mean that there's a possibility that Dark Pit really will be his own character?

They were clearly hinting at some kind of Dark Pit representation at the end of the Palutena trailer.

At this point? Definitely. I can totally see them taking advantage of KI:U's huge array of weapons and whatnot to flesh him out.

 

[Grakl]

So you think Sweatshirt Little Mac is still going to pull of a sweatshirt? Alts can have different openings, that doesn't say anything either way.

lol

 

[balladofwindfishes]

But she might not. Unless you have some groundbreaking evidence that says otherwise? Are you Sakurai?

No, but Sakurai told me she's not an alt costume

I mean come on. You're believing the fact you saw 5 moves similar to Marth over literally every single piece of official media treating her as a new comer? She's no different than any other new comer in presentation, how can you make the assumption she's an alt based on literally nothing.

Absolutely nothing. There is nothing at all saying she's an alt and mountains of evidence she's a character.

Have you never played Smash? Do you not know what a clone is?

 

[Karsticles]

Here is how you stop the arguments about Lucina being an alt:
1) Stop responding to Beelzebuffoon.
2) Post about something else.

 

[Hatchtag]

I don't think Captain Falcon's going to have his own slot. He's gonna be an alt for Ganondorf. There's no evidence saying otherwise.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Damn, calm down you guys, personally I think it's possible she's an alt given that she's not just a different style of Marth or different costume yet seems to share the exact same moveset as far as I can tell. But whether she's an alt or clone the only thing it even affects is whether she has her own icon on the character select screen. There's no need to lose your shit arguing about it.

Exactly lol, I don't even really think she'll be an alt, but it's definitely a possibility. I have no idea why this is such a personal issue for some people.

 

[SuperSah]

But she might not. Unless you have some groundbreaking evidence that says otherwise? Are you Sakurai?

When did the Villager alts get their own page? Or the Male Fit Trainer? Or even Wireframe Mac?

Never. Why? They are alts. Lucina is a character with her own page, intro splashcard and more.

Come on.

 

[emb]

This Lucina thing is spiraling out of control now. Let's just agree to not talk about it and move on to best newcomer FE female.

So who's maining (fem)Robin?

Robin (either gender) is pretty awesome, but I'm not sure about playing as her yet. The slowness looks pretty significant, and I still have no idea how the tome/sword switching things work. I'm leaning towards no.

 

[MrSaturn99]

Edit: Also, I need to take my "L" for Robin. I outright said he wouldn't be picked because he was a custom character, and I was wrong.

I actually felt that's why they'd pick Chrom over him, but looking at Villager I suppose that doesn't really matter.

Happy to be wrong, regardless!

 

[Lunar15]

While we have no clue what she's going to be, my guess is that it's going to be a toon link/ganondorf/falco type clone deal.

Which is fine. I mean, what could they give her that would make her radically different from Marth anyway? Everyone loves Fox, Falco, and Wolf seperately, so I don't see the need to flip out if Lucina is also a clone. She's in the game, it's great. I'm happy. Hell, it's even better since we have customizable movesets. You can make her even more different if needed.

But as it's been said, we have no idea what her situation is. I'm just saying that if it turns out she's a clone of Marth, it really isn't a huge deal. Just look at Roy.

EDIT: Wait people were saying she's an alt for marth? Yeah, fuck that noise.

 

[BassForever]

So you think Sweatshirt Little Mac is still going to pull of a sweatshirt? Alts can have different openings, that doesn't say anything either way. We really just don't know.

Yep, he'll throw off his pink sweatshirt and reveal he had on another pink sweatshirt on underneath it, Little Mac is just that studly he wears two pink sweatshirts at the same time while training.

 

[kuroneko0509]

I'm hoping that's her alternate costume, too; just like little mac.

Her alt would be her disguise during the early part of FE:A. Probably her kimono costume also can make it :3

 

[786110]

Does anyone have a link to that like 20 minute Captain Falcon video with a bunch of modified Final Smashes?

 

[Beelzebufo]

When did the Villager alts get their own page? Or the Male Fit Trainer? Or even Wireframe Mac?

Never. Why? They are alts. Lucina is a character with her own page, intro splashcard and more.

Come on.

Those are the same character though. I think it's pretty obvious that if we got an alt that represents a different character, that character would get a profile page. And Yoshi got his own splashcard too lol.

Wireframe mac is a texture swap.

 

[Popnbake]

...That could easily be her mom

You knew what I meant. >:/

 

[WhiteRabbitEXE]

Lucina seems to an alternate costume that will be implemented as a clone, or more accurately something partway in between a traditional Smash Bros. clone and a costume. Her attacks look much more similar to Marth's than any clone's ever has to the character they were pulling from (except maybe Pichu), to the point where the moves may actually be exact copies. But then she has her own voice acting and possibly some unique animations, and also will clearly have her own tile on the menu select.

Basically it seems like Sakurai's way to address his previously discussed aversion to making characters into costumes, without require the extra development work and time spent balancing that would be required of a traditional Smash clone. So she's basically a "free" character, and for once the clone thing is justified, given the canon.

Also, I feel like the fact that Lucina has her own page on SmashBros.com, but isn't marked as a "Newcomer" is basically saying exactly that.

 

[HawthorneKitty]

Her alt would be her disguise during the early part of FE:A. Probably her kimono costume also can make it :3

OST dress or bust