Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 10: Against the Odds, We Choose to Hype!

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Dryk said:
That just raises further questions!
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Yeah, I'm giving these details a


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Wow, midair smash attacks. Which the entire cast got them, but I can't complain about something new and interesting.

The tome system is also cool.
exfatal said:
Samus=ZSamus thought it was obvious
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They're treated as separate characters in the game and there are three Miis, so it's still rather conspicuous. Same with Sheik.
 
JoeM86 said:
Pic of the day. The Levin sword and tomes are Robin's life lines. The Levin sword can be activated by using smash attacks--you can even activate these moves in midair! However, just like in the original game, the Levin sword can be used only a limited number of times before it breaks, at which point it takes some time to regenerate. When the Levin sword is unavailable, Robin fights using the bronze sword.

The way Robin launches Arcfire is kind of crazy—he or she calls down a bolt of flame from above, then launches a pillar of fire! By the way, Robin’s tome changes with each special attack.
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So you start with the Levin Sword, and switch to Bronze Sword when it breaks. She has aerial smashes!? Or maybe just her aerials use the sword? So her magic attacks are her specials, and her tilts/jabs. And what tilt/jab you use depends on what spell book you have, which changes based on the last special you did (neutral lightning, side fire, down dark, up wind as most people have noted).

So it looks like the breaking mechanic only applies to the sword, not to the tomes? Or maybe it does and Sakurai is just holding out on us.
 
JoeM86 said:
Pic of the day. The Levin sword and tomes are Robin's life lines. The Levin sword can be activated by using smash attacks--you can even activate these moves in midair! However, just like in the original game, the Levin sword can be used only a limited number of times before it breaks, at which point it takes some time to regenerate. When the Levin sword is unavailable, Robin fights using the bronze sword.

The way Robin launches Arcfire is kind of crazy—he or she calls down a bolt of flame from above, then launches a pillar of fire! By the way, Robin’s tome changes with each special attack.
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Man, I get more excited about Robin the more time passes. Love that item durability is actually a thing for him/her, haha. Seems like resource management is gonna be a legit concern.

Still really unclear about tome-switching. Is it just an aesthetic thing, then? Say, you use a wind spell to throw yourself up into the air and it just changes the tome to a wind one? Does it affect your normals or something? Or... does it just cycle after a single attack? I'm actually more confused about this than I was before. :lol

Also, aerial smash attacks?! Robin is sounding GODLIKE.
 
batfax said:
I assume because the first game was only on the disk system and all 8-bitty. The second game got a rerelease on the Super Nintendo and looks (and sounds) really nice and is the one that got translated. It's also a prequel, so you don't really miss anything story-wise. As far as I know, no one's translated the first game yet... but you can kind of experience it by watching an episode of Gamecenter CX where the Kacho plays through it.

PotD looks good. NEED COMMENTS.
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can you link me to the gamecenter one?
 
Toxi said:
They're treated as separate characters in the game and there are three Miis, so it's still rather conspicuous. Same with Sheik.
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They are technically the same character, though, unlike the Miis. Sheik is arguable - now that she's not actually transforming, it's easier to say that she's a different Zelda from the TP-influenced one going by that name.
 
So basically you start with the basic element move (thunder) then when you use a special again it goes to Elthunder until it's reaches Thoron. Then a new element will start.
 
Neiteio said:
It's the officially localized English version of the game. Yes, to me that trumps the original.

And I seem to recall the Japanese often treat this topic as kind of a joke, so is the "uncensored" version even something to champion from a progressive standpoint?
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Since they make it clear that Vivian is actually a woman and not a man pretending to be a woman, yes it is something we should champion. Vivian and Birdo (post SMB2) are the only good trans characters in gaming that I can think of.
 
Toxi said:
Wow, midair smash attacks. Which the entire cast got them, but I can't complain about something new and interesting.

The tome system is also cool.

They're treated as separate characters in the game and there are three Miis, so it's still rather conspicuous. Same with Sheik.
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If there are mid-air smash attacks, maybe the entire cast did get them, and this is just his first time mentioning it. I mean, did anyone even think to try smashing in mid-air in the demo? That would literally be amazing if they existed the whole time and no one noticed.
 
Wait, I thought Robin could run out of tomes. But now Sakurai's talking about the Levin Sword being expendable?

And does Robin use tomes or the sword for his/her normal/tilts?
 
Loco4Coco said:
So basically you start with the basic element move (thunder) then when you use a special again it goes to Elthunder until it's reaches Thoron. Then a new element will start.
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I guess that's where the book tossing animation comes in, to show that a new tome has started.
 
SmithnCo said:
Sounds like it.

Also sounds like he could just mean aerials but the wording is a little tricky. I wish Robin would've been in the demo because it's one of the more unique looking characters.
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I agreed. I wish that we could see Robin and Palutena in the demo to understand them better but only two more months tho.
 
SmithnCo said:
Sounds like it.

Also sounds like he could just mean aerials but the wording is a little tricky. I wish Robin would've been in the demo because it's one of the more unique looking characters.
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Yeah, but

Sakurai said:
The Levin sword can be activated by using smash attacks--you can even activate these moves in midair!
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If he just meant aerials, that part after the dash would be unnecessary.
 
Neiteio said:
It's the officially localized English version of the game. Yes, to me that trumps the original.

And I seem to recall the Japanese often treat this topic as kind of a joke, so is the "uncensored" version even something to champion from a progressive standpoint?
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But that's the thing, she's still a girl in all versions of the game. She's fundamentally the same character in both versions. The difference is, in the English version they flat out removed a huge aspect of her backstory and character history. And if you don't "believe" in that backstory, that's fine, I just think your attitude on the subject is incredibly offputting.

Neiteio said:
She was a "she" in the English version, right? If so, that's canon to me.
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That's just plain harsh. There's no point in putting she in quotation marks.

Re: your second point. You read my OP on the topic, you should know the answer to that.
 
Look at Samus, for example. Her Side Special has different properties depending on if you tilt or smash the stick. So Robin probably pulls out the Levin Sword if you smash and normal attack whether you're on the ground or in the air.
 
Vampirolol said:
Remember that the trailer made it clear about tomes breaking like the sword (same thing happened in FE). Maybe they break instantly?
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If the tomes can break like the sword, I'd imagine the recharge like the sword, as well. But what would you use in the meantime? What is the tome equivalent of the bronze sword? Or are you just left with your sword and your specials are disabled?
 
Neiteio said:
If the tomes can break like the sword, I'd imagine the recharge like the sword, as well. But what would you use in the meantime? What is the tome equivalent of the bronze sword? Or are you just left with your sword and your specials are disabled?
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Maybe Robin tosses the book like Diddy tosses banana peels and just grabs a new one from his sleeve.
 
PK Gaming said:
But that's the thing, she's still a girl in all versions of the game. She's fundamentally the same character in both versions. The difference is, in the English version they flat out removed a huge aspect of her backstory and character history. And if you don't "believe" in that backstory, that's fine, I just think your attitude on the subject is incredibly offputting.



That's just plain harsh. There's no point in putting she in quotation marks.

Re: your second point. You read my OP on the topic, you should know the answer to that.
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I barely remember that topic you linked, and I'm not being off-putting -- I'm not even disagreeing with you, I'm just saying I follow the English version of the story. It's the one I played, for chrissakes. Please, stop making this into some kind of drama.
 
It'd be weird that Robin specifically goes 'I can only use [tomes] so many times" and say "that's why I've got my Levin Sword" if the Levin Sword were the only thing at risk of breaking, hah. Trying to figure out how you can reconcile that with the description that Sakurai gives here, that the tome changes with each special attack. I'm assuming that should mean that, say, Up-Special is a wind spell and Side-Special is, I dunno, fire, and Neutral-Special is thunder and they're always the same no matter what tome is currently out (which might influence normals?). But how does that figure into all the other spells (more than the inputs would allow) assuming that there's no charge necessary? Am I just reading this wrong?

This is seriously wrinkling my brain.

(real talk, though, Robin is gonna be amazing)
 
Moonlight said:
It'd be weird that Robin specifically goes 'I can only use [tomes] so many times" and say "that's why I've got my Levin Sword" if the Levin Sword were the only thing at risk of breaking, hah.
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Yeah, that's what has me puzzling, too.

I trust it'll be fun, whatever it is. :-)
 
Moonlight said:
Man, I get more excited about Robin the more time passes. Love that item durability is actually a thing for him/her, haha. Seems like resource management is gonna be a legit concern.

Still really unclear about tome-switching. Is it just an aesthetic thing, then? Say, you use a wind spell to throw yourself up into the air and it just changes the tome to a wind one? Does it affect your normals or something? Or... does it just cycle after a single attack? I'm actually more confused about this than I was before. :lol

Also, aerial smash attacks?! Robin is sounding GODLIKE.
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it sounds like from the way he worded it
neutral b might be the thunder tomes
side b the fire tomes
down b noseferatu
and up b elwind

and then some of your normals will change based on what spell you used last......so i guess i guessed the moveset probably lol

also i think the only actual spell that has any sort of levels will be the thunder spell side b will just be elwind and up b will be stuck with elwind probably the things we saw before might just be what happens when the books are used with normals also i have a feeling the books will also need to recharge as we saw it disappearing the trailer but as to how many we have and if its only limited to thunder is another story
 
Maybe each side special is a tome that gets stronger if you continue using it until it breaks, then it starts back. Or the normal special is the switch.
 
Maybe the way that they come out in the trailer is the hint? Because Robin casts 'Thunder, Elthunder, Arc Thunder, and then Thoron' in order from least strongest to most. So like someone else mentioned, each successive spell comes out in order like Pikmin. And when you run out of tomes and reach the end of the 'cycle', a cooldown kicks in and the cycle begins anew once it ends. So when Sakurai says that the tome changes after every special, he just means neutral, maybe? Down-B could still be used to cycle between tomes, maybe, unless there's no way of swapping tomes without using them first, which I would be, ah, mixed about.

EDIT: Oh, well, ninja'd in so many less words. I was more elaborate about my explanation, though!
 
My take currently is that tomes are really just normal special attacks and the sword breaking is the only thing Robin has to worry about.
Caveat - Sakurai uses tomorrows picture to clarify what's up with tomes
 
I think it automatically cycles tomes, and you can do a certain amount of specials before it switches to the next element.

Which would be crazy if the elements all have different properties, it's almost like the character would cycle slightly different movesets. Custom moves would be interesting too.
 
JStein0222 said:
My take currently is that tomes are really just normal special attacks and the sword breaking is the only thing Robin has to worry about.
Caveat - Sakurai uses tomorrows picture to clarify what's up with tomes
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That doesn't really make sense given Robin making a big deal out of only being able to use them so many times and tossing his book away. Why even bring that up if it's a non-factor?

Moonlight said:
Maybe the way that they come out in the trailer is the hint? Because Robin casts 'Thunder, Elthunder, Arc Thunder, and then Thoron' in order from least strongest to most. So like someone else mentioned, each successive spell comes out in order like Pikmin. And when you run out of tomes and reach the end of the 'cycle', a cooldown kicks in and the cycle begins anew once it ends. So when Sakurai says that the tome changes after every special, he just means neutral, maybe? Down-B could still be used to cycle between tomes, maybe, unless there's no way of swapping tomes without using them first, which I would be, ah, mixed about.

EDIT: Oh, well, ninja'd in so many less words. I was more elaborate about my explanation, though!
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And requoting myself for the next page, I don't care if it's egotistical!
 
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