stump sock
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not counting Rune Factory games, absolutely, totally true.
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not counting Rune Factory games, absolutely, totally true.
Didnt he say he never tried sour cream or mayo either? Thats even weirder than onions
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Sorry, it just rubs me the wrong way if people just say "Hire a black person" and somehow think thereby they will automatically appeal to all black people out there. I know that's not in any way what you meant but I dealt with that sorta stuff enough in my life so I jkust felt the need to say that. It's dehumanizing and was the reason why I quit my job. Cause I felt like my bosses weren't looked for qualified people but for some sort of mascots that they could parade around. Just breaking down people into the broadest category possible.
Again, I know that's not what you said, but I just heard that exact phrase so often but with a completly different meaning.
I don't think the point of positive discrimination hiring decisions isn't to appeal to that particular demographic but rather to ensure in general diversity of viewpoints etc? i dunno it's late and i don't really want to go through this. i get what you're saying though, it's always in danger of falling into tokenism
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Yeah sure. I guess at this point I was less thinking about GiantBomb and more about my old job. Sorry.
That garlic aioli discussion was another great thing in a string of great food related things to now be canonised at Giant Bomb.
cr_blah_blah
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No ketchup, mustard, onions, pickles, relish, salad, any sauce, any salad dressing, baked potato, potato salad, anything that goes on a pizza or burger that isn't cheese or meat before he was 25. Still never mayo or sour cream, except that mac and cheese he threw away.
That's quite a list.
TharpDaddy
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They should dedicate 10-15 minutes at the end of each UPF to Dan trying a new food.
Atomic Edge
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You are assuming rationality with the person you are arguing with. If someone is in your face saying, for example, "WTF is this woman doing on the podcast spreading her gay agenda", how are you going to convince them they are being ignorant? Pointing out the fact is just going to get you more of the same. You need to wait for them to be banned or their comment deleted and then, with the idiots gone, maybe you can have a reasoned discussion.
This is why Rorie is reviewing their mod policy. You can actually have a discussion on GAF because, agree with it or not, there is a zero tolerance and mods have no problem banning people.
I wonder if it's another "first game = eternal love" scenario with that series. FoMT was my first HM, anyway.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I do like how he said that he liked the mac and cheese, but threw it away because his mom told him it had sour cream in it. 
That's nearly gerstmann-esque in terms of food issues.
That's nearly gerstmann-esque in terms of food issues.
stump sock
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as someone who has played ever damn HM game that has come out in NA, I can honestly say that FoMT is like top 3 at the very least.
it's one of the only ones ever to really nail the balance of everything well.
I've played a couple of the other GB ones at least and they're all terrible and I never really bothered to figure out why.
Rune Factory 2 was pretty good tho. RF3, okay. RF1, had potential. RF4, who the fuck knows, fucking region locking
The toxic/aggressive elements, as I've seen them, are not equivalent. On the "more diverse hires" side the strongest form of the argument I've seen is suggesting that GB is sexist or racist for only hiring white dudes. Now I certainly don't think that this is true or that any point Jeff was like "let's only hire a white dude! Yeah! *high five*" during the hiring process so I'd consider arguing to someone about this by pointing towards examples of female guests and the stuff Patrick has written and their small staff size and etc etc etc. It is an argument that is starting in a very hostile place but it has positions you can engage and argue with.
On the opposite side, the most aggressive forms of the debate are "shut up you stupid feminist bitch I'm going to murder you". This is very different from the above. It isn't expousing any belief or point. It is just pure intimidation to try and push down a viewpoint that is being disagreed with.
This isn't a divergence of opinion with aggressive opinions on each side. It is one side having an opinion and the other side reacting to that opinion with slurs and threats of violence. Notice that in Jeff's Letter from the Editor he doesn't admonish people for agreeing or disagreeing either side of the argument or with what Giant Bomb has been doing. He only says that bullying and intimidation tactics will not be tolerated. The "two sides" aren't "I like Giant Bomb's hires" and "I wish they'd hire more diverse people" it is people having an argument people being bullying assholes.
Ban Puncher
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Giant Bomb next hire needs to be a staff chef. Then film Jeff and Dan eating exotic dishes prepared for them and the resulting scrunched up baby faces.
Definitely a weirdo.
I can see how Jeff gets along with him, since he isn't too far off as far as food goes.
avengers23
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I'm fairly certain Dan's trolling the audience about his gaps in food experiences. There's no one a grown man like Dan could have an even odder and possibly narrower lifetime food experience than, say, Ryan Scott.
"people"
I'd like to see you quote more than one person saying this. Prime example of a false equivalence. One persons says they might not resubscribe if GB continues to consist of 100% white dudes(totally within their right to do, btw) VS. a community wide meltdown over a female guest.
SEE BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME!!!!!!
Antiwhippy
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They should turn the raid into jeff and dan going to food places and eat food they've never eaten before.
ShockingAlberto
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I really don't like the "both sides are wrong" argument in this instance.
Freedom = $1.05
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You mean shawn elliott? Because Ryan Scott is just him doing a voice.
No worries, we all love the site and want it to be awesome even if we have minor disagreements in some things.
MiniBossBattle
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I think Ryan knew this and that was often the reason why they tasted energy drinks or swedish savory candies. For some reason, when people really don't like something, I find it hilarious.
I don't see why the criticism has to be framed with a such sweeping statement to begin with. Shouldn't you just say "There are some people in the GB community acting awfully?" and then we can go straight to agreeing that those people suck and should leave.
In that bottom scenario I'm still basically making a "Not all of us" argument, it just has a statement condemning them on the end, which could easily be added to the first scenario.
ugh, old wounds..
Peeps should check out the Atari article that Patrick put up. The new management seems somewhat cavalier, is dabbling in some areas that from my perspective aren't entirely wholesome and definitely isn't targeting the same audience that is on NeoGAF, but there is something interesting there nonetheless.
So not true.
TheBaronOfNA
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Well, I'm not exactly excusing the fact that a group of people acted like total jerks because a guest that was outside of their side of comfort.
At the same time, outside the GB community and geek tension, I thought that Samantha was a way to try to take note of the issues that critics and being outside of the comfort zone as a new hire will not be a given for a while.
"A community wide meltdown". Still, you had point about that few people doing it.
newdayrocks
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I understand that lots of folks are resistant to hiring a token female/person of color, but one needs only look at how much better The Idle Thumbs Podcast has been since adding Danielle Riendeau to their roster.
Of course, the Idle Thumbs community already >>>>>> the GB community, but that diversity will only strengthen and improve it.
Of course, the Idle Thumbs community already >>>>>> the GB community, but that diversity will only strengthen and improve it.
Mowki Kowski
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The first scenario reframes the situation as an argument between you and the previous commenter. You are treating their comment as a perceived slight and are now making the comment about you. If both of you agree that some people on GB are acting like assholes, then an argument isn't productive. It's best to simply speak out against the assholes, and acknowledge that they are indeed a part of the community, but they are a part that needs to leave.
Danielle Riendeau has made Idle Thumbs a much better podcast, I agree. It's because she is an interesting, intelligent, funny, well-spoken person.
Finally catching up on this stuff. I think featuring a greater diversity of guests on Giant Bomb can only be a good thing. As a trans woman, I'm impressed with them having Samantha on, and I thought the guys were really nice and respectful. I think Samantha was great. The whole conversation was polite, and I didn't sense anything inflammatory (which is why when I looked at this thread I wondered what was going on).
newdayrocks
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That's part of it, sure. But it's also because she brings a different perspective to the conversations as a woman and all her unique experiences that Chris/Sean/Jake/Nick/Steve don't have.
bemusedchunk
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What if Samantha was brought on just as a guest? You know - to do guest things.
Jeff Greene doesn't get any flack. Neither does Brad Muir
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Sometimes a spade is just a spade and there isn't any huge conspiracy behind it, an agenda pushing it, or months and months of planning and damage control because of it.
Jeff Greene doesn't get any flack. Neither does Brad Muir
(who actually has products to hock)
Sometimes a spade is just a spade and there isn't any huge conspiracy behind it, an agenda pushing it, or months and months of planning and damage control because of it.
Of course there was nothing inflammatory, I wouldn't expect there to be. The fact that Samantha is a trans woman only seems to matter to a small, bigoted minority.
I twinged when she said her first impression of Splatoon was "it looks like dogshit", even if it was played up (I can't actually tell if it was played up), but otherwise she's a good fit.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
This isn't really true. There's a big Hmong population, and there's a ton of Vietnamese food in the area.
Exactly. This is a blunt ass example, but none of those guys could have talked about "Coming Out Simulator" in a similar kind of way.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Samantha was a great guest, indeed.
To be fair that unique experience turned out to be actually playing games.
In my eyes that really has been the biggest differentiator between her and the other Thumbs.
Oh man, that statement is immediately polarizing.
I agree, but putting yourself out there via Giant Bomb may also generate a lot of hate (just ask Patrick). Not getting experience you need for fear of something that may happen anyway once you get the job is a terrible way to go about things.
You've got to take the chance on yourself before you ask an employer to.
You've done a good job of saying what the Giant Bomb community shouldn't be doing, but you haven't addressed anyone asking what should they do.
A large, long lasting community feels under attack because of a recent, nasty problem which they're not used to seeing. And you're surprised they're being vocal about the fact this cancer doesn't represent them when they have no other power because they're not mods or staff?
Daniel seems great, but being on a podcast is the easiest part of their job.
It's much more difficult when you're hiring and wondering "what is this person like on camera?", "what is this person like hosting guests?", "can this person video interview someone at a moments notice without prep?".
I don't think people give Jeff enough credit when it comes to picking people. Dude's been in this industry for a while, but people are acting like he's new to this and doesn't know what's best for his own site.
Yes. A community wide meltdown. I think that's a perfectly valid description of what happened seeing how the response was so strong that this is the first time they had to close the comment section to a bombcast.
Whoops, that was kind of taken out of context. She did a complete turnaround and super likes Splatoon after getting her hands on it, but my first thought when I first heard that was "Girl are your eyes broke?". As I said, she's fine, it was just that tiny thing that made me go "wat".
He's lying or Jeff hired an alien. How could you avoid any of this for so long? Did he never eat at McDonald's? How did he live in Minnesota? Or anywhere in the US?
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