MS: Xbox One June 2014 sales more than double May 2014's sales
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SwiftDeath
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Rumor is a white XB1 for sunset overdrive
Imru al-Qays
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I'm not sure what proportion of overall PC gaming Steam represents. Or even what proportion of overall PC gaming what we consider "traditional" gaming represents - a lot of it is probably Facebook games, weird stuff that happens in China, etc.
EventHorizon
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You are always going to get comparisons in a sales thread because that is the easiest way to put the numbers into context. For example some people were making the point that the XB1's numbers weren't that bad considering that June was a month with no new games, but then you realize that the PS4 was operating under the same constraints and likely did better. Comparing the XB1 to the PS4 thus allows you to remove variables that can distort the data. Another example of a variable removed by comparison is the economic climate since the PS4 also had to sell units under the same conditions.
The fact that the XB1 can't pull the same or better sales as the PS4 points to more fundamental reasons for the XB1's poor performance. And of course in a sales discussion thread people are going to state their opinions on what those fundamental reasons are.
Honestly I don't see the point you are trying to make. Should there be threads where company press releases are taken at face value and no one bothers to question it?
This is going to sell gangbusters no joke. If they do it all for 399 sales of the console for the month should be pretty damn good.
SRTtoZ
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Honestly that would still be pretty neat. It would match the white PS4 I plan on buying.
The XBO is not "performing poor". You can compare the sales to pretty much every other console ever released - and it will look pretty good. The "problem" is that the PS4 is doing absurdly good in sales. And people only make comparisons with the best.
Both consoles are doing well. Another "Wii U" scenario won't happen with PS4 or XBO. That is good for the industry.
Imru al-Qays;121392568 said:
PS4 has sold more so far than the PS2, but PS4 also had a unique frontloaded boom which the PS2 did not have and PS4 has lower monthly sales than PS2. If PS4 continues to trend below PS2 in sales, PS2 will end up outpacing it despite the huge launch.
At the moment, we cannot say either way and need more data to make a definite conclusion.
But that isn't really true? Looking at past console generations, the Xbox One isn't really doing good even compared to the Xbox 360. The PS4 isn't doing "absurdly good" for the runaway winner so far. Everything suggests a contraction of the console market because sales of all consoles are projected to be lower than past generations, going by current trends, and the PS4 isn't picking up the slack. That's the problem. This problem is exacerbated by nearly everything being multiplatform so there's even less reason to get multiple consoles for the majority of people.
EventHorizon
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To be fair, "More than double" May's 77K could mean anything from 156k to 192k. Anything higher than 192k enters the "Almost" or "Nearly" triple category due to rounding up. So the range of weekly values are...
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Low: 156k / 5 = 31k/week
High: 192k / 5 = 38k/weekZeuanimals
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That's disappointing, I didn't think what GD71 said was banworthy, but it happened. A lot of people who are banned here tend to become resentful of the site. I expect him/her to start calling GAF SonyGAF after this.
Okay, time to stop lurking, I've got summer finals I should be studying/writing for.
TAJ
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You can buy a BD-ROM drive that's faster than the one in Xbox for <$40. MS assuredly pays less. And the royalty for set-top Blu-ray players is $9.00. That's all they'd save.
I don't see $100 there unless plastic suddenly skyrocketed in price.
No idea what your $299 option is for that matter.
Now seeing Xbone /WiiU sales performance, I tend to appreciate what Sony was able to do with PS3 in 2006. Its the most fascinating turn around in console history, and something that cannot be replicated ever.
-I mean launching 1.5 years after your competitor.
-Being $200 more expensive.
-Losing $400 on every unit produced.
-Having exotic archeticture that puts devs away.
-Media Backlash like never before.
-Introducing a new format BD .
- Having massive manufacturing problems early on.
- Establishing a new online network.
Despite all this, PS3 ended the generation second to Wii in overall unit sales WW.
Xbone/WiiU didn't have to deal with most of this, and yet I won't see them being able to outsell PS4 ever. This tells you a lot about the power of Playstation brand.
-I mean launching 1.5 years after your competitor.
-Being $200 more expensive.
-Losing $400 on every unit produced.
-Having exotic archeticture that puts devs away.
-Media Backlash like never before.
-Introducing a new format BD .
- Having massive manufacturing problems early on.
- Establishing a new online network.
Despite all this, PS3 ended the generation second to Wii in overall unit sales WW.
Xbone/WiiU didn't have to deal with most of this, and yet I won't see them being able to outsell PS4 ever. This tells you a lot about the power of Playstation brand.
EventHorizon
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Jump to ~155k is not what MS has wanted. Heck, even I expected at least 250k, mostly because MS announced kinectless box so early and they had time to promote that and release it during E3.
However, even Amazon rankings showed that PS4 continued to sell better almost all the time.
There is no slack to pick up. Wii sales was an anomaly with people who were never console gamers buying them in droves. That market has come and gone from the console world. There will be a HUGE contraction of console sales this gen and that should be completely expected due to the skewed Wii market that never existed before and doesn't exist now.
Imru al-Qays
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I agree that the PS3's recovery last generation was nothing short of miraculous. I think it does Sony a disservice to attribute it to the strength of the PlayStation brand, though. I think it probably has at least as much to do with Sony's world-class hardware department being able to cut PS3 costs so much, and with Worldwide Studios absolutely killing it with first-party exclusives.
SwiftDeath
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I kind of wonder if MS might not get to release the white XB1 this fall if they have too many units in the channel to begin with. They're on their 4th SKU already? And one could still buy a Day One edition or Titanfall bundle if they wanted.
Would be a pity
Yoda
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Roughly where I expected the sales to be. The Xbox division is in a rut because the base-line sales hardly grew week to week. There will most likely be a decline next month due to this month being 5 weeks + the new SKU announcement being sooner than it should have. A lot of people here need to also realize this wasn't actually a price-cut. Technically they "removed value" from the box and the new price simply reflected said reduced value. Right now Microsoft is offering weaker hardware @ the same price point as the PS4. With the systems not being significantly different in terms of entertainment features, online capabilities, or game libraries; the rational consumer with no prior brand-loyalty should break for the PS4 and they are. Sony started last gen in a rut, but they always could fall back on other markets. Microsoft lacks said luxury, and they recently received new corporate leadership who will have an expectation to "shake up the company" in order to inflate the stock price. The Xbox One needs an injection of capital and some truly risky investments if it wants to even have a shot at reclaiming its "home" market. Sadly the chances of that happening are next to nothing.
Also those of you ruling out the holiday's are silly. Different breed of consumers than who would buy them during "regular" months + a stronger line up could allow for an upset.
Also those of you ruling out the holiday's are silly. Different breed of consumers than who would buy them during "regular" months + a stronger line up could allow for an upset.
travisbickle
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"pretty damn good" doesn't mean anything, Bgamer would probably describe this month's Xbox One sales as pretty damn good.
Birgitte2004
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Microsoft was very careful to note that it doubled "since June 9th".
Doesn't that mean the overall number could be less than 2x May? I'm a little iffy on which weeks were involved in May NPD vs. June NPD.
Doesn't that mean the overall number could be less than 2x May? I'm a little iffy on which weeks were involved in May NPD vs. June NPD.
This is all possible when a brand has such global appeal like that of PlayStation. A
dominant Sony is what I always wanted, so I hope PS1/PS2 levels of software support
is in the works this gen.
Console JRPGs need a revival and a market dominant PS platform can ensure that.
Aquamarine
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May 2014 NPD Reporting Period:
May 4th, 2014 - May 31st, 2014 (28 days / 4 weeks)
June 2014 NPD Reporting Period:
June 1st, 2014 - July 5th, 2014 (35 days / 5 weeks)
Phat Michael
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I think its posts like this:
...which he is talking about. Its a positive thread about MS selling more than the previous month. Great. Then people have to come in and say "well the PS4 sold more!" and its 20 pages of this back and forth when really, its just saying that sales are up for MS which is a positive thing - and it doesnt really mean that PS4 sales dropped at all.
Chobel
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You know that Naminator is joking, right? He's actually Xbox Fan.
Phat Michael
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no way i would have known that. But the point stands that there are quite a few points mentioning Sony or saying how MS are making things up/ these figures arent that great - when the thread is really about how they doubled sales.
Hey it may not be great...but its a positive trend and good for the gaming industry as a whole. I dont see why everything has to be Sony vs MS. I want both to do well as then i will get more/better games on both systems.
EventHorizon
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I'm not even sure what Microsoft could do. Their weaker hardware is set in stone. The "cloud" seems very confined in what it can do and it is unlikely that a multiplatform title would make use of it anyway since it needs to be able to work on other platforms.
Exclusives could help but if they are starting now it would be 2 years, or probably longer, before the games would be available. Microsoft could get some benefit by announcing games far ahead of when they are to be released like they are doing with Halo 5, but as the current sales show people are likely to just wait until the games they want are available before buying the console. Unfortunately for Microsoft, in 2+ years the ultimate fate of the XB1 will likely already be set.
The only thing I think would help immediately is to start selling the console at a loss, or maybe they could somehow hide the full price of the console in a subscription model. Perhaps they could have an ad supported model that trades a lower price for more ads shown. No matter how they do it, I think a sub $300 XB1 is the only thing that could bring the console back in the race.
Omotesando
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The ''Xbox is fine'' practise popping up every sales thread should get its own meme.
I think it is not too early to say, that the decline of the sales curve with the Xbox One is unprecedented in the history of Xbox in America or even any other console. Sure a lot is attributed by the launch, which is comparable to the PS4, but the true measure of strength of any console displays itself to where the curve settles. Guys it is not fine, 160K is a sad reflection of sales nonetheless considering the strength of where the curve of the Xbox 360 settled post launch. It may be more double than the previous month, but that is just spin by a company that can not be happy by the numbers that is presented every month to them since January.
I think it is not too early to say, that the decline of the sales curve with the Xbox One is unprecedented in the history of Xbox in America or even any other console. Sure a lot is attributed by the launch, which is comparable to the PS4, but the true measure of strength of any console displays itself to where the curve settles. Guys it is not fine, 160K is a sad reflection of sales nonetheless considering the strength of where the curve of the Xbox 360 settled post launch. It may be more double than the previous month, but that is just spin by a company that can not be happy by the numbers that is presented every month to them since January.
at the very least, it's a weak comparison to when the ps2, gamecube, and original xbox were on the market. in the last two generations, the leading console would regularly beat 300k in a month while the second would do about 150k+ to 200k and the last one might be under 100k part of the year but not all of it. instead it's more like the xbox 360, gamecube, and dreamcast are on the market.
shacklesmcgee
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Then what should we talk about in this thread? Just everyone congratulates MS and we move on? Or should we only compare X1 sales to X360? Of course competitors are going to be brought up in a conversation about sales, regardless of the product.
What you didn't calculate properly there. You forgot to factor in the fact that the xbox 360 came out a year before the competition. So its june sales should be higher than the xbox one's june figures
The fact the systems sales doubled when no new games dropped is all Microsoft needed to see. What did you guys expect? A million systems sold?
Once the exclusive games start dropping, expect systems to start flying off the shelves
Xbox has that on lock, gamers win!
Alx
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I'd support that. Are we really that interested in sale numbers to discuss it in circles ? Once you've noticed that sales went up but not as much as one may have hoped, you've basically said everything.
Especially as they announced it half-way through May therefore having a negative effect on May.
TBH this doesn't look good for MS but looks good for me (more price drops!!)
Glad to see Xbox One sales was improved in US in June although it might be not very impressive.
About the sales war between X1 and PS4, personally, I don't think X1 has any chance to sell more than PS4 in any coming month. So better to accept the fact that PS4 already wins the console war in the current gen.
I only expect MS can keep deliver games, especially 1st party games and support X1 for at least 5-6 years.
Less sales console is not equal to bad console. X1 can be sold less than PS4, but as long as it has games, it will gain my support permanently.
In Phil, I trust...
About the sales war between X1 and PS4, personally, I don't think X1 has any chance to sell more than PS4 in any coming month. So better to accept the fact that PS4 already wins the console war in the current gen.
I only expect MS can keep deliver games, especially 1st party games and support X1 for at least 5-6 years.
Less sales console is not equal to bad console. X1 can be sold less than PS4, but as long as it has games, it will gain my support permanently.
In Phil, I trust...
Aquamarine
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Alx
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I don't understand those either. Actually I even entered this very thread out of curiosity and just answered shacklesmcgee without thinking, but I usually avoid sale threads. So please don't mind me and proceed, I'll show myself out.
Not sure if this is serious...
This kind of post didn't contribute anything for the discussion...
Chobel
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What about comparing to the original xbox? It come out in PS2 era and here's its NPD numbers
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It's sarcasm.
Alx
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It's not really an opinion, it's mostly fact. Sales did get better, and the idea that MS expected even better may be speculative but also one with which most people seem to agree (I haven't read any different position anyway, but I didn't go through the 18+ pages of the thread). So I don't see much to discuss there.
But like I said I don't want to spoil the party and won't follow the thread anyway ; keep discussing if you want, it's not like I can or want to do anything about it. I was just expressing my feeling about shacklemcgee's suggestion.
Imru al-Qays
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We still don't know how much of this lower monthly demand is caused by the extremely high sales we saw in November-December. PS4 has handily outsold pretty much everything at this stage in its lifecycle.
Personally I'm kinda surprised that Microsoft never moved their $99 + 2 years of XBLG Lease to Own monthly payment contract to the Xbox One. They also quietly just killed that program off for the X360 in March (which I just found out now). It must not have done well at all. I think I remember Pachter hyping it up a lot too, also stuff about subsidized Xbones via cable that never came to fruition.
I thought that that program would do really well, but I guess it didn't. It did come really late in the X360's life with a ton sold already and maybe that's why it didn't work, but I think it'd be a good way to move new Xbones right now.
EventHorizon
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But my point still stands. Comparing the XB1 sales to the PS4 puts them in context. Comparing products to their competitors happens all the time. If I see a product in a store, I want to know how its price compares to the same or similar products in other stores. I don't just blindly accept the sign that says 15% off and think I am getting a good deal.
On the other hand I can see your point. I get annoyed when I'm in a thread discussing consoles and someone pops up to compare them to PCs. Although it's not that I don't want the happy console thread to be brought down by PC talk, it is that I consider the comparison to be irrelevant. Its like if I'm talking about the acceleration of my car and someone feels the need to point out that their motorcycle is much faster.
The XB1 and PS4 are direct competitors and are in the same category of products. It is very easy to see a person exchanging the purchase of one for the other in order to perform the same role. As a result I defend the use of comparing one to another in discussions.
Not sure what your point is. The supplied list is of all the 360s June sales. It includes everything from the first June since the 360's release to last year. That includes with competition and without, and the only time the 360 did worse was when it was 7+ years old and had its successor, the XB1, coming out in months. Also note that the XB1 is likely to do worse than the PS4 which also had no new games dropping in the month. As I pointed out before, the benefit of comparing the the XB1 to the PS4 is that it allows us to remove those very concerns that you just brought up.
No, it didn't. And this is something quite a few people bring up for a while now (since early 2013 actually), but it is still not true. The Xbox 360 is still leading the PS3 in overall worldwide sales at last count.
So if you take the release of of XBO/PS4/WiiU as the end of last gen then the PS3 ended up last. If you wanna measure the sales up until these companies manufacture last gen consoles then maybe the PS3 might end up selling more than the 360.
But not yet.
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