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[pj]

I don't think anyone would have cared if he wasn't on twitter, which is a social media outlet for the entire world to see.

Keep your bullshit in your box, and you can smell it all you want. When your bullshit becomes overwhelmingly public, the public has every right to declare they don't like the way your shit smells.

That people are upset because "people who don't care about the show have influenced it" is ridiculous. Maybe you should be mad at the guy who opened himself up for the drama by posting a stream of vomit on twitter.

And if the goalposts are moved to say "Well, he's been this way on Twitter forever!" well, who cares? Now is the time where it backfired.

This makes no sense.

Say stupid shit on your own radio show - OK
Say stupid shit on Twitter - Take away radio show. You can still post on twitter though

???

Him just posting something on twitter is not "overwhelmingly public". Only his followers see it, and the majority of those probably miss most of his tweets scrolling through their feed. If you weren't following him you'd never have seen his rant. It only became truly public when blogs picked up on it and made it a big deal on a slow news day.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

This makes no sense.

Say stupid shit on your own radio show - OK
Say stupid shit on Twitter - Take away radio show. You can still post on twitter though

???

Him just posting something on twitter is not "overwhelmingly public". Only his followers see it, and the majority of those probably miss most of his tweets scrolling through their feed. If you weren't following him you'd never have seen his rant. It only became truly public when blogs picked up on it and made it a big deal on a slow news day.

He could've been fired for anything his employers deemed a good enough reason.

Twitter is also a very public place considering anyone with internet access can, in some way, see what you write there. Apparently it was more public than radio enough to warrant his termination.

 

[pj]

No one's saying that being an Opie & Anthony fan counts as directly condoning every thing Anthony's said though. If you assume that's what people are saying, you'll go off on a tangent without any need, like you have here.

pj has gone out of his way to make a thread complaining about people "wearing death threats like badges" and he made a thread saying he was a fan of O&A. That shows the type of speech he's prone to defend and that he's a fan of this show. It looks like he's defending a host's right to not be fired for racist speech on a syndicated radio show in this thread and that's in line with what he's made threads about before. It's harder to get an idea of someone's beliefs by looking through their individual posts since those could be in any myriad threads that they may not have made, as opposed to looking through "threads by this member" which is more specific. I remembered seeing the "hate speech" thread when it was made though, but not everyone did.

My thread that you linked was purely about fandoms, associating hate for given media with the fans of that media and complaining about the fans themselves simply for liking that media — stuff like movies, cartoons, video games, Etc. Here it's different as 1) no one's chastising pj because he's an O&A fan and 2) are instead concerned with his defense of racist, hurtful speech. If anyone's writing off his opinion it's probably because he seemingly actively supports racist speech in some way, not just because he listens to O&A (or just O now). Someone complaining about something negative that a fan actually does — not saying anyone's doing that, but still — is different from complaining about fans of the Star Wars prequels for liking the Star Wars prequels. Does that distinction make sense?

What in the world are you talking about? Why do you keep saying I'm defending what he said? Please quote any posts where I did so.

"Right to not be fired" is nonsensical and I would never say something like that. The company can do whatever the hell it wants.

I guess we'll find out if moving from a nationally syndicated radio show to a podcast is going to end up being a rewarding career move for him or not. Time will tell.

Financially? Who knows. Creatively? I can almost guarantee he's happier.


P.S. It's not a syndicated show, it's a satellite show.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

This makes no sense.

Say stupid shit on your own radio show - OK
Say stupid shit on Twitter - Take away radio show. You can still post on twitter though

???

Him just posting something on twitter is not "overwhelmingly public". Only his followers see it, and the majority of those probably miss most of his tweets scrolling through their feed. If you weren't following him you'd never have seen his rant. It only became truly public when blogs picked up on it and made it a big deal on a slow news day.

It makes perfect sense. It's a more extreme example of Adam Orth, or the idiot PR person making tastless jokes about Africa.

News is news. This guy said racist shit on twitter, he has an audience, people picked up on it, and the public is not okay with it. That's it. It doesn't matter who got the information or how it was presented. Sirius has the right to cave to public pressure just like A&E has the right to decide that profits are more important than what people are mad about one of their hosts saying.

Once you get on twitter and open your shitbox, you're not somehow exempt from the consequences that might result from that action.

If you're upset by the way things went down, there's one person who you should be mad at. It has nothing to do with "twitter users" or "bloggers" or "slow news days" or anything like that.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Why is every thread lately turning into a post history witch-hunt followed by comments like this? All it does is suggest a lack of confidence in debating the idea at hand. Not productive one bit, especially since spot-on arguments come from otherwise-loony people all the time.

Anyway, great ad. Love the self-deprecation angle.

Yea, we shouldn't hold people's word against them. We should judge them by the color of their skin, like Anthony Cumia.

 

[pj]

He could've been fired for anything his employers deemed a good enough reason.

Twitter is also a very public place considering anyone with internet access can, in some way, see what you write there. Apparently it was more public than radio enough to warrant his termination.

It makes perfect sense. It's a more extreme example of Adam Orth, or the idiot PR person making tastless jokes about Africa.

News is news. This guy said racist shit on twitter, he has an audience, people picked up on it, and the public is not okay with it. That's it. It doesn't matter who got the information or how it was presented. Sirius has the right to cave to public pressure just like A&E has the right to decide that profits are more important than what people are mad about one of their hosts saying.

Once you get on twitter and open your shitbox, you're not somehow exempt from the consequences that might result from that action.

If you're upset by the way things went down, there's one person who you should be mad at. It has nothing to do with "twitter users" or "bloggers" or "slow news days" or anything like that.

No shit they can fire him for whatever reason. No rational person would say they had no right to fire him.

My point is that his firing accomplished nothing except the internet feeling good about itself and Anthony getting more followers. He can repeat his exact same twitter rant tomorrow, the public will hate it and nothing will happen because he's now self employed. The only difference is that MORE people will see it because he's gained twitter followers since it happened.

Where are these "consequences"?

Edit: And it's not your job or twitter's job to police what I hear on the radio. I'm a big boy and I can handle someone saying racist crap.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

What in the world are you talking about? Why do you keep saying I'm defending what he said? Please quote any posts where I did so.

"Right to not be fired" is nonsensical and I would never say something like that. The company can do whatever the hell it wants.

That guy who responded to me earlier misunderstood what I suggested to another user (earlier in this thread). I was trying to clear things up.

I said you were "defending a host's right to not be fired for racist speech" not that you were defending what he said. Even though defense of one can arguably count as defense of the other, more one way than the other, but even still.

I too respect the importance of splitting hairs; I think it's worth making distinctions between one thing and another — no matter how small — is meaningful in most instances. You haven't said "Anthony should be able to say racist stuff on this syndicated show without being fired." You've just said that firing him is pointless and that his racist speech won't hurt anyone who would be offended by it because those people didn't already listen to the show. You're not defending his racist speech here.

Next time you say something that explicitly sounds like defense for Anthony, I'll let you know. I doubt you will though since we've made it into a sub-topic here.

Edit: And it's not your job or twitter's job to police what I hear on the radio. I'm a big boy and I can handle someone saying racist crap.

I agree and I believe you. Had sirius kept Anthony on the show, but forced him to say nothing at all under threat of termination, that would've been more effective.

 

[Yado]

No shit they can fire him for whatever reason. No rational person would say they had no right to fire him.

My point is that his firing accomplished nothing except the internet feeling good about itself and Anthony getting more followers. He can repeat his exact same twitter rant tomorrow, the public will hate it and nothing will happen because he's now self employed. The only difference is that MORE people will see it because he's gained twitter followers since it happened.

Where are these "consequences"?

Edit: And it's not your job or twitter's job to police what I hear on the radio. I'm a big boy and I can handle someone saying racist crap.

Getting fired is a consequence. Getting a new job doesn't change that.

 

[vas_a_morir]

No shit they can fire him for whatever reason. No rational person would say they had no right to fire him.

My point is that his firing accomplished nothing except the internet feeling good about itself and Anthony getting more followers. He can repeat his exact same twitter rant tomorrow, the public will hate it and nothing will happen because he's now self employed. The only difference is that MORE people will see it because he's gained twitter followers since it happened.

Where are these "consequences"?

Ant potentially lost some money, one might guess. And, maybe some of his old celeb friends and defenders might be reluctant to associate with him from now on., even though he's said these same things for 20 years now.

Beyond that, Ant lives in his own world. He'll use the incident for more attention, and probably come out relatively unscathed.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

No shit they can fire him for whatever reason. No rational person would say they had no right to fire him.

My point is that his firing accomplished nothing except the internet feeling good about itself and Anthony getting more followers. He can repeat his exact same twitter rant tomorrow, the public will hate it and nothing will happen because he's now self employed. The only difference is that MORE people will see it because he's gained twitter followers since it happened.

Where are these "consequences"?

Well, he got fired.

He might not get on Twitter and post vile racist rants for incidents that haven't been proven.

I really don't care if he goes independent and if he's going to be more successful. That's fine. It's bigger than that. It's a victory because people are starting to understand that there are some lines that can't be crossed. If the outcome of this is that there's a bigot who got shitcanned because he's a bigot, that's good enough for me. If the end result is that he gets more popularity (likely from other bigots who want to stand in solidaridy with him), that's fine too. He was likely to get that even if he didn't get fired.

 

[mckmas8808]

No shit they can fire him for whatever reason. No rational person would say they had no right to fire him.

My point is that his firing accomplished nothing except the internet feeling good about itself and Anthony getting more followers. He can repeat his exact same twitter rant tomorrow, the public will hate it and nothing will happen because he's now self employed. The only difference is that MORE people will see it because he's gained twitter followers since it happened.

Where are these "consequences"?

Edit: And it's not your job or twitter's job to police what I hear on the radio. I'm a big boy and I can handle someone saying racist crap.

See this is your "privilege" talking now. I don't blame you because you honestly probably don't realize it as you type, but it's there and it's screaming out.

His firing does accomplish something. Saying it doesn't accomplish anything is a narrow view of world that you currently possess.

 

[RawkHawk2010]

His firing does accomplish something.

Like, uh...what? The attempts to make him irrelevant has only made him more relevant than ever. (And not because of any apologies.)

 

[Nuklear]

Everytime I see Opie and Anthony's name it makes me remember of 0.0.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJZP1-u2iSg

 

[jred2k]

Well, he got fired.

He might not get on Twitter and post vile racist rants for incidents that haven't been proven.

I really don't care if he goes independent and if he's going to be more successful. That's fine. It's bigger than that. It's a victory because people are starting to understand that there are some lines that can't be crossed. If the outcome of this is that there's a bigot who got shitcanned because he's a bigot, that's good enough for me. If the end result is that he gets more popularity (likely from other bigots who want to stand in solidaridy with him), that's fine too. He was likely to get that even if he didn't get fired.

I don't think it really teaches people that it's wrong to be a bigot, though. I think it just teaches them not to be a bigot in public. Now white guys who feel like they are victims have a figure to rally around and increase they're resentment.

At least on the radio you got the chance for a dissenting opinion that might be able to argue a point with him. Now he's just going to be speaking in a vacuum and entrenching those values.

I don't know what the solution is, or if there is a solution. I just don't feel that racing from outrage to outrage really does anything to educate people or change minds.

 

[Narpas Sword0]

Not being a bigot in public is a net positive to society. No one can change the hearts of men. But maybe the next generation will grow up with a different outlook if this shit is removed from the public sphere now.

 

[See You Next Wednesday]

Wait, he was fired?

 

[pj]

Getting fired is a consequence. Getting a new job doesn't change that.

True but I am thinking more of net result.

Before this happened:
Anthony was a racist millionaire with a radio audience and a lot of twitter followers.
People who dislike him don't listen to him.

After this happened:
Anthony is a racist millionaire with an internet radio audience and slightly more followers.
People who dislike him don't listen to him.

Well, he got fired.

He might not get on Twitter and post vile racist rants for incidents that haven't been proven.

You clearly don't know Anthony.. Also, the veracity of his story is irrelevant. Unless you think his words were more justified if he was in fact attacked.

I really don't care if he goes independent and if he's going to be more successful. That's fine. It's bigger than that. It's a victory because people are starting to understand that there are some lines that can't be crossed. If the outcome of this is that there's a bigot who got shitcanned because he's a bigot, that's good enough for me. If the end result is that he gets more popularity (likely from other bigots who want to stand in solidaridy with him), that's fine too. He was likely to get that even if he didn't get fired.

That's a very naive way of viewing it. These kind of actions are doing nothing but entrenching stupid opinions. I'd much rather have opinions like his out in the open where they can be debated and hopefully change someone's mind. Keeping them behind closed doors accomplishes nothing.

Why is it worse to have a public stupid opinion than a private one? If every racist lost their job this country would have like 40% unemployment

See this is your "privilege" talking now. I don't blame you because you honestly probably don't realize it as you type, but it's there and it's screaming out.

His firing does accomplish something. Saying it doesn't accomplish anything is a narrow view of world that you currently possess.

No, the narrow world view is that this twitter/blogosphere victory means anything. Very few people really cared about this event and even fewer will remember it.

The last thing in the world I want is for the media and internet to be an echo chamber of opinions like mine. Some of the deepest thinking I've done on political subjects is when anthony says some republican line and I try to formulate a rebuttal that I'd give if I were able to respond (I don't listen to the show live, so my excellent thoughts can't make it on air :-( ). His racial stuff was less interesting because a lot of it was completely irrational, but sometimes he would ask reasonable sounding questions with racial undertones and I'd end up doing research to see why the answer wasn't his implied "because black people are awful"

 

[Higgy]

People who feel like they accomplished something by his firing remind me of jack black in King Kong. They think they have control of the situation when in reality they just turned King Kong loose. The shackles are off. And King Kong isn't going to die in the end in this story. This was a huge favor for him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPjLQOfvsaQ

 

[Mammoth Jones]

People who feel like they accomplished something by his firing remind me of jack black in King Kong. They think they have control of the situation when in reality they just turned King Kong loose. The shackles are off. And King Kong isn't going to die in the end in this story. This was a huge favor for him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPjLQOfvsaQ

LMAO. It's not about stopping his career. It's just his employer doesn't want anything to do with him.

Want to rant and rave racist shit on twitter, go ahead. But people bitching about the consequences of that are killing me, lmao.

 

[Higgy]

LMAO. It's not about stopping his career. It's just his employer doesn't want anything to do with him.

Want to rant and rave racist shit on twitter, go ahead. But people bitching about the consequences of that are killing me, lmao.

I think it's the fake ness of the people who want firings every time they hear something they don't like. People have horrible flaws. I know family and friends who have good parts inside but also have parts that are not cool. Do I disown them or want the fired from their jobs? No I don't. I just understand they are flawed.

We want people to tell the truth in this country until they actually tell us what they are thinking. Oh didn't like that answer you need to leave!

I just don't agree with that.

 

[RawkHawk2010]

LMAO. It's not about stopping his career. It's just his employer doesn't want anything to do with him.

Yet if Sirius XM hired him back because suddenly they DID want something to do with him, a lot of these same people acting "neutral" under that principle would scream bloody murder. (See: Phil Robertson.)

After something like that happens, the "a company should be able to choose its own employees!" line of reasoning is suddenly nowhere to be found, even though by its very core nature it's supposed to go both ways.

 

[NomarTyme]

It would be stupid of them if he charges for podcast. It would be a immediate dud if he charges.

 

[Higgy]

Yet if Sirius XM hired him back because suddenly they DID want something to do with him, a lot of these same people acting "neutral" under that principle would scream bloody murder. (See: Phil Robertson.)

After something like that happens, the "a company should be able to choose its own employees!" line of reasoning is suddenly nowhere to be found, even though by its very core nature it's supposed to go both ways.

Truth.

 

[BlackJace]

I think it's the fake ness of the people who want firings every time they hear something they don't like. People have horrible flaws. I know family and friends who have good parts inside but also have parts that are not cool. Do I disown them or want the fired from their jobs? No I don't. I just understand they are flawed.

We want people to tell the truth in this country until they actually tell us what they are thinking. Oh didn't like that answer you need to leave!

I just don't agree with that.

Well yeah, if someone tells us the truth that they are racist, hateful people, fuck yeah I want em' gone.

They don't get points because they were honest about it lol.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

I think it's the fake ness of the people who want firings every time they hear something they don't like. People have horrible flaws. I know family and friends who have good parts inside but also have parts that are not cool. Do I disown them or want the fired from their jobs? No I don't. I just understand they are flawed.

We want people to tell the truth in this country until they actually tell us what they are thinking. Oh didn't like that answer you need to leave!

I just don't agree with that.

I don't understand why people are offended by the idea of public figures being held accountable about things they say to large audiences.

I work in an office building. I park every day by a guy who has an Anti-Obama bumper sticker on his car. There's a possibility he might have feelings about the President that might be rooted in racism. That guy (potentially) being a racist doesn't have the same impact as Anthony posting a racist tirade on Twitter for eevryone to see. On top of that, he's representing a multimillion dollar company who doesn't want that on them.

That's the disconnect. What you described is completely different than what happened to this guy.

 

[pj]

See this is your "privilege" talking now. I don't blame you because you honestly probably don't realize it as you type, but it's there and it's screaming out.

His firing does accomplish something. Saying it doesn't accomplish anything is a narrow view of world that you currently possess.

Thinking about this more, if anyone has a narrow world view it is you. I am white and have lived in towns with populations of: <1000, 10,000, 250,000, 8,300,000. I have witnessed (not been a victim of) racism in all of them.

Unless you are white, you do not know what white people say behind closed doors. I've heard the n-word said racistly more than a lot of black people. From friends and family of every age group, including most depressingly my own.

If you think the solution to racism is to shush up the loudest racists, you are sorely mistaken. Anthony's firing was in no way a victory against racism.

 

[Shamrock7r]

Anthony and DIno Costa would be best buddies.

 

[VoxPop]

So let me get this straight

Anthony takes picture of a woman / street

Woman tells him to delete picture (?)

Anthony says no (?)

Calls him a racial slurs then starts assaulting him

5 other guys come to stop it or fuck Anthony up (?)

He goes on a racist tirade of the prostitute on Twitter instead of punching her in the face.

Leave the guy alone jeez.

 

[RawkHawk2010]

According to Anthony she called him a "white motherfucker" upon the shutter going off and then punched him in the face. There was no exchange prior to that from what he's said.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Thinking about this more, if anyone has a narrow world view it is you. I am white and have lived in towns with populations of: <1000, 10,000, 250,000, 8,300,000. I have witnessed (not been a victim of) racism in all of them.

Unless you are white, you do not know what white people say behind closed doors. I've heard the n-word said racistly more than a lot of black people. From friends and family of every age group, including most depressingly my own.

If you think the solution to racism is to shush up the loudest racists, you are sorely mistaken. Anthony's firing was in no way a victory against racism.

the alternative being? Public shaming and removing their soapbox sounds to me about as much as you can expect to do legally.

He goes on a racist tirade on Twitter

Leave the guy alone jeez.

That's what we know for certain, so, nah. And it's hardly a secret that he's an incredibly vile and stupid bigot.

 

[royalan]

So let me get this straight

Anthony takes picture of a woman / street

Woman tells him to delete picture (?)

Anthony says no (?)

Calls him a racial slurs then starts assaulting him

5 other guys come to stop it or fuck Anthony up (?)

He goes on a racist tirade of the prostitute on Twitter instead of punching her in the face.

Leave the guy alone jeez.

She's a prostitute now?

 

[pj]

the alternative being?

If the solution could be described in a forum post it would have been done ages ago. I just know what I see, and based on my experience, racism is chugging along quite well despite society's most public shamings.

That's what we know for certain, so, nah. And it's hardly a secret that he's an incredibly vile and stupid bigot.

I think it's dismissive to label racists as stupid. Anthony is very ignorant on a lot of issues, at times it seems willfully so, but he is not a dim person.

 

[VoxPop]

She's a prostitute now?

I thought thats what she was from one of the posts here. Sorry if not.

 

[turtle553]

According to Opie, it wasn't even the racial aspects of the tweets that got him in trouble with Sirius, but the talk of violence. So they don't really seem to care if he rants like he did on the show about minorities as long as the violence isn't part of it.

Personally, I think Sirius made a big mistake and that if they just waited a couple of days, the outrage mob would have moved on pretty quickly.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

If the solution could be described in a forum post it would have been done ages ago. I just know what I see, and based on my experience, racism is chugging along quite well despite society's most public shamings.




I think it's dismissive to label racists as stupid. Anthony is very ignorant on a lot of issues, at times it seems willfully so, but he is not a dim person.

The goal wasn't the end racism once and for all. Pretty sure you're throwing out an all or nothing fallacy.

Racism is a very stupid belief, if he's also ignorant on MANY issues...would that not qualify him to be called stupid? Sounds pretty stupid to me.

 

[pj]

The goal wasn't the end racism once and for all. Pretty sure you're throwing out an all or nothing fallacy.

Racism is a very stupid belief, if he's also ignorant on MANY issues...would that not qualify him to be called stupid? Sounds pretty stupid to me.

No I'm not. I'm saying its unproductive at best, counterproductive at worst.

I am ignorant of many things. In fact I'm ignorant about far more things than I am knowledgeable. Every human is.

 

[Alienous]

The goal wasn't the end racism once and for all. Pretty sure you're throwing out an all or nothing fallacy.

Racism is a very stupid belief, if he's also ignorant on MANY issues...would that not qualify him to be called stupid? Sounds pretty stupid to me.

I'd call it ignorant. Much like how people who believe in a God in lieu of evidence aren't 'stupid' people. It isn't a matter of intelligence. More often than not it has to do with a person's upbringing, and the beliefs they hold onto in adult life that were taught to them at an impressionable time in their lives (like childhood).

 

[jmood88]

So did he ever file a police report after this vicious attack?

 

[pj]

So did he ever file a police report after this vicious attack?

Are you saying not reporting a crime means it didn't really happen? Would you say that to a rape victim?

He didn't report it because it wasn't that bad. He never said it was vicious.

 

[richiek]

So did he ever file a police report after this vicious attack?

Yeah, that's why I'm calling bullshit on Anthony. I'm betting the attack never happened.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

No I'm not. I'm saying its unproductive at best, counterproductive at worst.

I am ignorant of many things. In fact I'm ignorant about far more things than I am knowledgeable. Every human is.

And? If the alternative is nothing then this is the best option.

Are you a racist?

I'd call it ignorant. Much like how people who believe in a God in lieu of evidence aren't 'stupid' people. It isn't a matter of intelligence. More often than not it has to do with a person's upbringing, and the beliefs they hold onto in adult life that were taught to them at an impressionable time in their lives (like childhood).

We really conflating racism with religion now?

 

[jmood88]

Are you saying not reporting a crime means it didn't really happen? Would you say that to a rape victim?

He didn't report it because it wasn't that bad. He never said it was vicious.

Yes, I am saying that. If someone who claimed they were raped made as outrageous a claim as he made, then I probably wouldn't believe them either. It was bad enough for him to talk about how the woman and the random black guys on the street were savages but not bad enough to file a police report?

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Are you saying not reporting a crime means it didn't really happen? Would you say that to a rape victim?

He didn't report it because it wasn't that bad. He never said it was vicious.

Or maybe because it didn't happen, or at best, didn't happen the way it was described.

If he was so mad about "savages" attacking him and upset about "white people being preyed upon", I'd imagine that filing a police report to get that kind of scum off the streets would be much more productive than having a racist twitter whine...

"Not that bad". His words sure didn't match that reaction!

Edit: Didn't he even say he has friends on the force? He even has at least one picture of the alleged attacker! There's no excuse!

 

[Alienous]

We really conflating racism with religion now?

Not conflating, comparing. They aren't the same. But I'd argue that they are both irrational beliefs held by people, despite evidence to the contrary, because of people's upbringings. They aren't evidence based beliefs. And I only feel comfortable making the comparison because of the damage organized religion has done, at times, in supporting racist notions, along with sexist and homophobic ones. Not all religions, certainly, but enough of them at some point.

 

[pj]

And? If the alternative is nothing then this is the best option.

Are you a racist?

To me the best option is to talk it out. Like we are doing about this situation. Exposure to other races also helps so you can see they're not the devil. Trying to ruin peoples lives is not the solution.

I don't think I'm racist. I dont find myself getting upset with black people or anyone else really.

Yes, I am saying that. If someone who claimed they were raped made as outrageous a claim as he made, then I probably wouldn't believe them either. It was bad enough for him to talk about how the woman and the random black guys on the street were savages but not bad enough to file a police report?

How is it outrageous? You can see in the picture she's wagging her finger at him. She hit him a few times for taking her picture. What is far fetched and what is his incentive to lie?

The severity of his response has nothing to do with the severity of the incident. He would drop the n bomb if a black guy took too long in a crosswalk while he was trying to make a right turn. No one says he isn't a loud mouth racist.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Not conflating, comparing. They aren't the same. But I'd argue that they are both irrational beliefs held by people, despite evidence to the contrary, because of people's upbringings. They aren't evidence based beliefs. And I only feel comfortable making the comparison because of the damage organized religion has done, at times, in supporting racist notions, along with sexist and homophobic ones. Not all religions, certainly, but enough of them at some point.

It's an unnecessary comparison to discuss Cumia. It'll only muddy things up. It's also a far more complicated topic than this.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

To me the best option is to talk it out. Like we are doing about this situation. Exposure to other races also helps so you can see they're not the devil. Trying to ruin peoples lives is not the solution.

I don't think I'm racist. I dont find myself getting upset with black people or anyone else really.

Has Cumia not met enough black people? Has he not been given enough chances? Fuck 'em.

 

[Alienous]

It's an unnecessary comparison to discuss Cumia. It'll only muddy things up. It's also a far more complicated topic than this.

That's fair, and I don't mean to offend. In terms of calling all racist people stupid, or unintelligent, I disagree. High intellect can still be coupled with racist beliefs, there are many examples of that.

 

[pj]

Has Cumia not met enough black people? Has he not been given enough chances? Fuck 'em.

No he probably hasn't met enough black people. But you're right, isolating him will make it all better.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

That's fair, and I don't mean to offend. In terms of calling all racist people stupid, or unintelligent, I disagree. High intellect can still be coupled with racist beliefs, there are many examples of that.

He has many ignorant beliefs. If He's intelligent, he ain't using it.