Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 10: Against the Odds, We Choose to Hype!
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I don't care about losing either. I play Puff in PM and I suck with her there. I rarely win a match but I still have fun with her
lol. OK then.
Ness is superb in 64. What are you talking about?
I'm sure he doesn't throw balance out the window when designing, but it's not his first priority. I doubt it's the first priority of anyone making most fighting games out there, today. That said, nobody making fighting games IGNORES balance either, and some invest more time into it than others. Most fighting games come out as an unbalanced mess but patch it in revisions. Smash bros has never had that luxury until now, so we'll see if they consider it.
My point is that in Brawl he's not fun for the people who want to play as him and actually have a fighting chance against people of similar skill, whereas in PM he's fun for both types of people.
He's not so hideously overpowered that I can't do well with him in Brawl, either, but that's only when I'm playing against someone well below my skill level, otherwise I may as well just play a character that's actually good.
Gawd I miss 64 Ness. That Dair was great
I don't blame you for thinking that. For the longest time, Ness was considered top 3 in Smash 64. But then metagame developed and players got better, and he simply couldn't keep up.
He's currently ranked #9 in the SSB tier list, and that's largely due to his awful recovery. Ness is extremely vulnerable to aerial attacks/spikes while using his recovery.
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Spring-Loaded
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I too routinely won against my friends in the past Smash Bros. almost exclusively using Mario, and then using Dedede a bit in Brawl. My best friend used Captain Falcon and I'd always win because I knew what he'd do at any given moment.
I can still recognize where poor balance mades the games unfun even if it didn't personally bother me much. Even at the most casual level, balance matters considerably (most Brawl items being either complete trash or win buttons sucked, completely gimped, low-tier characters sucks for those fans, Etc.) and it's just that much more important at higher levels.
What's the point in downplaying the importance of balance? It can be a priority in a game without sacrificing more casual fun that can be had with it. Poor balance might actually ruin the game for some people because of how they play it. It's silly to in any way suggest that people shouldn't care about quality of specific aspects of a given game, especially balance in a fighting series that has a considerable competitive scene.
Characters like the one you listed and Diddy and a few others should've already been in definitely. Pit and maybe Pokemon Trainer and ZSS were good additions though.
...Chorus Kids?Agreed. I love that most of them bring a new series with them, and I like that Rosalina, Greninja and Robin/Lucina represent the new generation of their respective series.
The diversity is pretty great. I just want a Rhythm Heaven character now that I got Little Mac.
:3
Wat
[QUOTE="D";121614541]I just want to attack Lucina and Rosalina with my..his tongue.[/QUOTE]
Double wat
RomanceDawn
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That guy is no friend to you or anyone on this earth!
MrSaturn99
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Oh please, tell me how you dislike that his PKT2 is better, that you hate how you can actually edgeguard with his Yo-Yo and how in general the yo-yo smashes are actually good moves, that you dislike the fact that you can DJC his aerials to do them closer to the ground and string together better combos.
Oh, and I'm sure you must just despise how you can cancel PSI magnet and that his PK Fire activates on shield again.
And don't even get me started on those improved aerials, fucking disgusting.
[QUOTE="D";121615339]Gawd I miss 64 Ness. That Dair was great[/QUOTE]
PM Ness has the 64 Dair.
Ironically, ZSS is much better than Samus.. lol
Spinosaurus
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LOL SamusI don't blame you for thinking that. For the longest time, Ness was considered top 3 in Smash 64. But then metagame developed and players got better, and he simply couldn't keep up.
He's currently ranked #9 in the SSB tier list, and that's largely due to his awful recovery. Ness is extremely vulnerable to aerial attacks/spikes while using his recovery.
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I actually have fun playing 64 Samus compared to Brawl Samus, though.
Ridley is a Rare character, didn't ya know?
They need to stop putting in so many characters from Japanese games.
I don't blame you for thinking that. For the longest time, Ness was considered top 3 in Smash 64. But then metagame developed and players got better, and he simply couldn't keep up.
He's currently ranked #9 in the SSB tier list, and that's largely due to his awful recovery. Ness is extremely vulnerable to aerial attacks/spikes while using his recovery.
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His recovery is awful, I give you that. But he's not entirely that bad in 64. Most probably when Smash 64 has been well-studied and being played as a competitive fighting game, it's a little too late for a lot of people to know about. At least on my side, where Ness and Kirby are pretty much my top guys in Smash 64.
Last thing I wanna say as I gtg but what I really dislike the most is how Sakurai balances more than the unbalance itself even. Take Marth in PM for example, he's mid tier on the early lists. That's the lowest he has been but somehow he's there even though he is the same as Melee. They made the rest of the cast better instead of making Marth worse. They made other characters more fun and gave them more options instead of taking away Marth's.
Some characters get left behind such as puff (she is still very low on the list in PM) but she is still fun to play because she didn't actually get worse
Some characters get left behind such as puff (she is still very low on the list in PM) but she is still fun to play because she didn't actually get worse
Not75Drops
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Fire Mblum isn't a good franchise people, stop kidding yourselves.
theprodigy
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Is Firemblum the FE game where everyone is voiced by Steven Blum
Well, I don't know how we'd do in a tournament setting, but my friends and I are all around a similar skill level, we played melee just about every weekend, and stil play brawl every once and a while too. I still find myself doing perfectly fine with Ness. I don't win every match, and some victories are pretty close, but I don't expect it to be.
And like I said earlier, I don't have too much experience with Project M. I've only played it at a few parties, but I found I didn't care for the way the game played compared to Brawl. Not that it was bad, just that Brawl was more my cup of tea.
Ipsoclipso
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I really like the diversity with Smash 4 newcomers.
Over half of the newcomers are either female or have a female variation.
KolosLazar16
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Wavedashing?
I mained Link in all the games despite him being shit tier in each installment (and will most likely be shit tier in the new one), but I make him look good. No issues standing toe to toe with my friends' higher tier characters.
Not saying tier lists are a joke - we don't play competitively. But we're all good players. Just gotta take the time to get good with whomever you want to use.
Not saying tier lists are a joke - we don't play competitively. But we're all good players. Just gotta take the time to get good with whomever you want to use.
Ness can basically do aerial attacks without leaving the ground and yet his recovery is so bad it doesn't matter.
JB-the-Hunter
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Why am I not surprised that people completely misinterpreted Sakurai?
It's as simple as this: Sakurai is not saying that balance will hinder fun, he's saying that he hopes to achieve both, but fun is a higher priority. People are acting like he thinks they're mutually exclusive, when that's not the case at all.
Melee Jigglypuff is pretty much the epitome of Sakurai's philosophy with Smash 4. Melee Jigglypuff was a character of extremes like Little Mac, which made her unique and fun to play as, but she also ended up being pretty balanced in the end. That's Sakurai's goal with Smash 4. Making a character fun and unique, while also being balanced. Brawl Jigglypuff had nothing to do with fun vs. balanced, she was just a victim of being changed from one game to the next.
I don't understand why people are so distraught about what he said. In fact based on what we already know about most characters from the demo, the characters seem to be pretty balanced. There are no detectable Meta Knights and no detectable Ganondorfs. Plus, we already know that he's not opposed to post-released balance patches.
It's as simple as this: Sakurai is not saying that balance will hinder fun, he's saying that he hopes to achieve both, but fun is a higher priority. People are acting like he thinks they're mutually exclusive, when that's not the case at all.
Melee Jigglypuff is pretty much the epitome of Sakurai's philosophy with Smash 4. Melee Jigglypuff was a character of extremes like Little Mac, which made her unique and fun to play as, but she also ended up being pretty balanced in the end. That's Sakurai's goal with Smash 4. Making a character fun and unique, while also being balanced. Brawl Jigglypuff had nothing to do with fun vs. balanced, she was just a victim of being changed from one game to the next.
I don't understand why people are so distraught about what he said. In fact based on what we already know about most characters from the demo, the characters seem to be pretty balanced. There are no detectable Meta Knights and no detectable Ganondorfs. Plus, we already know that he's not opposed to post-released balance patches.
Wut? I don't get that miiverse post at all, too salty for my taste. :|
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I'm not a fan of double jump cancel. I don't like how it feels so I didn't like playing Ness much. But oh please tell me how I'm actually lying because everyone has to like the same things you do.
Shadow Hog
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I've had this video sitting in my Firefox tabs for a while now; meant to post it earlier, but kept forgetting to.
So, in Sesame Street style: "It's not Mewtwo"
So, in Sesame Street style: "It's not Mewtwo"
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I miss Ness having the "KREEEEENG!" sound effect for his bat.
That was like the only reason why I bothered playing with him in the first place.
That was like the only reason why I bothered playing with him in the first place.
My man. I, too, main shitlink. At least in brawl I had toon link. The one round I played with link in smash 4 made me like him a lot more than how he played previously, though. Something about that new backflip and dash attack are really fun.
That's fantastic
He really needs the SMAAAAASH!! for tippers. Please Sakurai
The Great Gonzales
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Ah, yes, I've wanted Ridley in ever since his memorable appearance in the Japanese game Firemblum.
Yeah, that was so satisfying.
Karsticles
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Yeah, get that Japanese shit out of my Smash Bros.
Well it's a good job that the single thing you complained about can be negated by just holding the jump button so you don't do a DJC.
Any other reasons why you would not enjoy Ness mechnically when compared to Brawl Ness?
Golden Slumbers
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So has any other game had this many OTs pre-release? Is this GAF history right here?
PadWarrior
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I started using samus and zss a little more and they are quite fun.
Would be very interesting to see what kind of moves Sakurai can make for them.Hell yes.
I'd be so happy.
I would buy that.
SenorArdilla
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"I don't care for this game now. I WISH RIDLEY WAS IN... NOT SOME GUY FROM A JAPANESE GAME! [Fire Emblem] God, when I saw the trailer, I WAS SO DISAPPOINTED!"
kuroneko0509
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>firemblum
i guess this is one of the new IP from Intelligent System
ahahaha to bad mii don't have crying expression
PadWarrior
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Anyone is going to play the game with one of those two controllers?
Tilting must be hard using a dpad. I'm sticking to the pad in my avatar
I see you missed my point entirely, namely that you don't get to tell people what they do or don't like and call them liars when they say they like something. Welcome to the ignore list.
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