NipplesAndToes23
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Another two glorious episodes from Korra. I could smell that whooping coming from a mile away.
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Legend of Korra Book 3: Change |OT| SCHEDULEBENDING
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The main issue now is that the show's building toward a war with the Earth Kingdom (Earth Kingdom army plus probably some more enslaved airbenders versus Republic City, the Metal Clan, and probably the new airbenders) *and* a confrontation with the four evil superbenders, and we still don't have a motivation for the latter or a sense of what their actual plan is yet (not to mention very, very little in the way of characterization for them, which is a damn shame).
I think the Earth Kingdom confrontation will be left for next season. There is not enough meat in the Zaheer arc to stretch it for too long.
Yeah, it was going to be a struggle. So I expected these hurdles. The end of the episode was amazing though! To be clear I don't have an issue with Tenzin clashing with new vs old. This idea that he wants to preserve his peoples way of life, but not realizing they need to make a new beginning.
I expected all that. I just don't like it when Tenzin gets angry and doubles down on his stubbornness. This episode has a lot of that so it wasn't entirely pleasant. But I agree with you in that I think if the "re-building the airbender nation" plot is going to be done seriously they need to show the struggles and failures.
I am too am tired of Tenzin's shit. The writers clearly have a set arch for him, but it is too broad. And too annoying.
Thinking on it, I wish we knew why Toph because chief of police. Was it a favor to Aang/Zuko? Did she grow into a love of justice (Unlikely)?
Am I wrong in thinking thats relevant? It could explain Toph's disregard for the rules despite being the chief, and the fact that she didn't really care when Lin became a police officer.
Dunno.
Am I wrong in thinking thats relevant? It could explain Toph's disregard for the rules despite being the chief, and the fact that she didn't really care when Lin became a police officer.
Dunno.
badcrumble
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I think the Earth Kingdom confrontation will be left for next season. There is not enough meat in the Zaheer arc to stretch it for too long.
I'm not so sure about that. Future episode titles indicate some further business with the Queen of the Earth Kingdom.
I feel like, if anything, Book Four is likely to finally catch us up on how things are going with the Fire Nation. We've gotten a good sense of basically everyone *but* them, at this point.
Thinking on it, I wish we knew why Toph because chief of police. Was it a favor to Aang/Zuko? Did she grow into a love of justice (Unlikely)?
Am I wrong in thinking thats relevant? It could explain Toph's disregard for the rules despite being the chief, and the fact that she didn't really care when Lin became a police officer.
Dunno.
Someone thought it would be cool.
It is the only way this could have happened. Nothing of what we know about Toph suggests she would ever be interested in being the law.
Thinking on it, I wish we knew why Toph because chief of police. Was it a favor to Aang/Zuko? Did she grow into a love of justice (Unlikely)?
Am I wrong in thinking thats relevant? It could explain Toph's disregard for the rules despite being the chief, and the fact that she didn't really care when Lin became a police officer.
Dunno.
She's the first metalbender and we know she started a metalbending school.
She was probably put in charge because she was needed to train Republic City's police force.
I'm not so sure about that. Future episode titles indicate some further business with the Queen of the Earth Kingdom.
I feel like, if anything, Book Four is likely to finally catch us up on how things are going with the Fire Nation. We've gotten a good sense of basically everyone *but* them, at this point.
Really? Damn. Well, I hope they at least properly handle the entire Air Nomad =/= Air Bender thing.
I personally will find this season a failure if what we got this episode closed the chapter on that.
Consequences in both scenarios. Just so happens that it is not your satisfaction in one. Which is fine.
Again I do not disagree that Toph did wrong. Just that there is much to sympathize with in her actions. Not simply a cold calculating action.
When you look at it that broadly, there are consequences to everything, which makes it a meaningless statement. If she didn't have to leave the city, she'd still have to deal with the 'consequence' of the people she stole from not liking her.
The consequences for Suyin's high theft should have been legal ones, because she is now a criminal and should be tried. Toph protected her from those consequences in favor of avoiding a political scandal.
And pretty much all criminal behavior has sympathetic motives, even the most heinous, which doesn't change its wrongness. And yes, Toph was in a shitty position as a mother and an officer, but that doesn't change the fact that she failed in both those duties. And honestly, what sympathy she has is lessened when she indicates her primary motive for doing what she did was political.
Thinking on it, I wish we knew why Toph because chief of police. Was it a favor to Aang/Zuko? Did she grow into a love of justice (Unlikely)?
Am I wrong in thinking thats relevant? It could explain Toph's disregard for the rules despite being the chief, and the fact that she didn't really care when Lin became a police officer.
Dunno.
The problem is that Toph isn't an advocate of chaos.
Her rule breaking always had a point. She stole, but to survive. She took Aang's staff, but to teach him earthbending. She went to meet Zuko when the Gaang's forbid it, because she knew they needed a firebender. She didn't start shit just because. She usually broke the rules only when they impeded her ability to do the right thing.
Granted, she wasn't perfect, but she never condoned violence or crime for it's own sake, which is what Suyin was doing.
Also, she was 12 and with the avatar. I hold her to higher standards as an adult and mother of two girls and the police chief of a city.
m_shortpants
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These two episodes seemed filler-y but that's ok. Provides much needed character development. Only thing is that there's just too many characters to give them all justice.
I mean, you have :
Korra
Mako
Bolin
Asami
Tenzin
Jinora
Bumi
Lin
Kai
Mako and Asami were essentially non existent in the last two. I guess that's also ok though since we got Lin, Bolin, Tenzin, Bumi, and Jinora development.
I mean, you have :
Korra
Mako
Bolin
Asami
Tenzin
Jinora
Bumi
Lin
Kai
Mako and Asami were essentially non existent in the last two. I guess that's also ok though since we got Lin, Bolin, Tenzin, Bumi, and Jinora development.
When you look at it that broadly, there are consequences to everything, which makes it a meaningless statement. If she didn't have to leave the city, she'd still have to deal with the 'consequence' of the people who stole from her not liking her.
The consequences for Suyin's high theft should have been legal ones, because she is now a criminal and should be tried. Toph protected her from those consequences in favor of avoiding a political scandal.
And pretty much all criminal behavior has sympathetic motives, even the most heinous, which doesn't change its wrongness. And yes, Toph was in a shitty position as a mother and an officer, but that doesn't change the fact that she failed in both those duties. And honestly, what sympathy she has is lessened when she indicates her primary motive for doing what she did was political.
Now you are being too broad.
And yeah, that indication seemed odd. Especially in light of what we are told later about how guilty she felt. I find it incongruous that someone who casually ignored the law for completely selfish reasons would be so racked by guilt later that she gives up her ill-gotten gains.
Which is why I do not completely buy that statement. Especially since it was an angry retort. More like: 'I am doing this to save your neck you ingrate' and less: 'My reputation, it must not be sullied. Even though this coverup which cannot possibly work already sullies it.'
I don't feel that it retconned the original series. In the comics, Ozai had his doubts in Zuko from the day he was born as it appeared Zuko was born a non-bender.
Telling Ursa that he was being cruel to Zuko directly because of her actions was just another way to emotionally hurt her.
The bolded is also a retcon in that it is new information that fundamentally alters how one has to interpret the events that we did see in the original series.
Anyway, the comics are interesting as they provide some extra info into the Legend of Korra series that we wouldn't otherwise get because the LoK is so much shorter than A:TLA.
More power to you if you enjoy them, but I don't think the comics have told us very much about TLOK yet. That might change if, as most people expect, The Rift transitions the storyline into being about the building of Republic City. But so far most of the information we've gotten could already be gleaned from the backstory of TLOK, except for some of the specifics, which are more relevant to ATLA and its characters anyway.
I have the comics in front of me right now and I can't find where he does that if at all.
It happens in The Promise Part 1, towards the end of the issue, during the first fight between Aang, Katara, and Zuko.
It's true, and that's not analogues to what I said. I mean you are applying a definition too broadly. You just disagree with the statement I said. That's different.Now you are being too broad.
And yeah, that indication seemed odd. Especially in light of what we are told later about how guilty she felt. I find it incongruous that someone who casually ignored the law for completely selfish reasons would be so racked by guilt later that she gives up her ill-gotten gains.
Which is why I do not completely buy that statement. Especially since it was an angry retort. More like: 'I am doing this to save your neck you ingrate' and less: 'My reputation, it must not be sullied. Even though this coverup which cannot possibly work already sullies it.'
Also, that's kind of how guilt works. There are plenty of people who do a something wrong without considering the moral implications and then feel guilty about it later.
And Toph stole more than just to survive. She liked it. She definitely had issues with authority.
Not that it has to inform her character as an adult, but it certainly made her choice of career seem odd.
I know it is not the same thing. Was meant to me more wry than I indicated. And I do not even want to argue on that point. We fundamentally disagree there.
And the moral implications were considered. The entire sequence after she shreds the papers makes sure of that.
Not that it has to inform her character as an adult, but it certainly made her choice of career seem odd.
It's true, and that's not analogues to when I say you are applying a definition too broadly.
Also, that's kind of how guilt works. There are plenty of people who do a something wrong without considering the moral implications and then feel guilty about it later.
I know it is not the same thing. Was meant to me more wry than I indicated. And I do not even want to argue on that point. We fundamentally disagree there.
And the moral implications were considered. The entire sequence after she shreds the papers makes sure of that.
And Toph stole more than just to survive. She liked it. She definitely had issues with authority.
Not that it has to inform her character as an adult, but it certainly made her choice of career seem odd.
That is true, but that doesn't change the fact that she needed to do it to survive.
You can't condemn her for liking to do it. It may inform us of her character somewhat, but it's when she does crime she doesn't need to that we can say she broke the rules wrongly.
I always figured that Toph only became involved in law-enforcement because somebody wanted metalbending police and she was the only one to teach them. Obviously, out of universe, that somebody was the writers, but in-universe maybe Aang or Zuko thought metalbending police would be a good idea and convinced Toph to get involved. Or maybe Toph took the job just because she liked bossing people around. Those are the only explanations I can think of that don't involve assuming something profound in her character changed after the end of ATLA. To be clear, it's not unreasonable to suggest that someone could be very different as an adult than they were at 12, but it gets a little old hearing this excuse trotted out time and again since we only know the ATLA cast as pre-teens/teenagers and many of their appearances in TLOK are clearly geared to appeal to nostalgia.
In my eyes, Toph being a police officer fit inso far that she was someone who liked to fight, and what better way to do that than make her own task force and go after criminals? Though I do think she liked being on the 'right' side of the fight, which is why she didn't opt to just become a criminal which could give her a similar career of fighting others.
That is true, but that doesn't change the fact that she needed to do it to survive.
You can't condemn her for liking to do it. It may inform us of her character somewhat, but it's when she does crime she doesn't need to that we can say she broke the rules wrongly.
Not a condemnation, simply an assertion of act. And, not sure where you going with this.
The sort of things Toph would do in contrast to the rest of the gang (especially early on) was entirely to establish her as being self-centered and contemptuous of authority. In micro, Katara's default authority as team mom.
Not sure where you are getting here.
The sort of things Toph would do in contrast to the rest of the gang was entirely to establish her as being self-centered and contemptuous of authority. In micro, Katara's default authority as team mom.
Not a condemnation, simply an assertion of act.
I don't deny that she enjoyed doing it, but it isn't relevant. My point is that that we never saw her start shit just because. She always needed a good reason to do it, or for the most part anyway. This is different to what we see her do in LoK, which is rule breaking to avoid just punishment (or a political scandal).
TheRealTalker
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the animation seems off for the last 4 episodes
:/
did Pierrot animate it instead of Mir?
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did Pierrot animate it instead of Mir?
gotta rewatch that fight but it looked like Suyin was giving Lin that work with ease. although i guess you could credit that to Lin being in a delirious state.
also i can't believe i just now realized Sally Draper is Jinora. that's such a perfect choice.
It was still weird seeing Suyin being quite an excellent fighter with bending. With Lin you would expect it given her position but Suyin looked like she could even take her sister at 100%.
the animation seems off for the last 4 episodes
:/
did Pierrot animate it instead of Mir?
wut
MidnightCowboy
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I thought the two episodes tonight looked beautiful.the animation seems off for the last 4 episodes
:/
did Pierrot animate it instead of Mir?
TheRealTalker
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especially the faces
seems poorly drawn like the Pierrot drawings
m_shortpants
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It was still weird seeing Suyin being quite an excellent fighter with bending. With Lin you would expect it given her position but Suyin looked like she could even take her sister at 100%.
Well Suyin traveled the world, she was a pirate, etc. She's an accomplished bender.
especially the faces
seems poorly drawn like the Pierrot drawings
I'm not seeing it.
TheRealTalker
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looked it up, seems that it was Mir all along
odd since the first 2 episode looked way better
could be because they put more time with the first 2
odd since the first 2 episode looked way better
could be because they put more time with the first 2
I don't deny that she enjoyed doing it, but it isn't relevant. My point is that that we never saw her start shit just because. She always needed a good reason to do it, or for the most part anyway. This is different to what we see her do in LoK, which is rule breaking to avoid just punishment (or a political scandal).
I am not trying to make any greater point. I just think it is odd that the writers made her the chief of police despite her story-beats from the previous series suggested she had serious issues with authority.
I conclude one of the following must have happened:
1) - Irony
2) - They wrote Lin as chief of police before they thought what to do with Toph, and figured making Lin a legacy had some storytelling potential
3) - Someone thought it would be cool and no further thought was given to it
I lean toward #1 with some shades of #2
the animation seems off for the last 4 episodes
:/
did Pierrot animate it instead of Mir?
Nope it's all studio Mir for books 3 and 4
I am not trying to make any greater point. I just think it is odd that the writers made her the chief of police despite her story-beats from the previous series suggested she had serious issues with authority.
I conclude one of the following must have happened:
1) - Irony
2) - They wrote Lin as chief of police before they thought what to do with Toph, and figured making Lin a legacy had some storytelling potential
3) - Someone thought it would be cool and no further thought was given to it
I lean toward #1 with some shades of #2
I see. In that case, I'm pretty sure it was a combination of all 3 then.
TheRealTalker
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I mean the hands don't have detail anymore (well most of the time)
fine details in stone/clothes/ and stuff is gone too
and the outlines are so thin (you know like Digimon Movie/ Summer Wars Thin)
I can't be the only one seeing this right?
DDDDDDD:
fine details in stone/clothes/ and stuff is gone too
and the outlines are so thin (you know like Digimon Movie/ Summer Wars Thin)
I can't be the only one seeing this right?
DDDDDDD:
Supermanisdead
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dumb filler episode. nobody cares about tenzin and hes ~drama~
Mr. Bamboo
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Ep 6 is amazing, probably my favourite from this book so far, and ep 7 was a lot of fun and offered a much needed development story for the new airbenders... especially if they will be incorporated into the main story later on. Also, that song that plays during the obstacle course in ep 7 is awesome! The soundtrack for this season has been incredible.
TheRealTalker
Banned
Only weird animation I saw tonight was when Lin first confronts Su and is breathing hard. Seemed really rough. Other than that, thought it was pretty great.
yeah that was the main one for me
Also I meant 3 episodes since episode 7 seems fine
Well Suyin traveled the world, she was a pirate, etc. She's an accomplished bender.
Yes but that was her past life and she moved on to a much more peaceful setting while raising a family. Didn't expect her to still have an 'ass kicking' mode and show no signs of being rusty.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Last few episodes have been great. Show works best when it does work as a full ensemble. Enjoying a lot of the ancillary characters finally.
How's it doing though? I hear poorly? Will we get another season?
How's it doing though? I hear poorly? Will we get another season?
Last few episodes have been great. Show works best when it does work as a full ensemble. Enjoying a lot of the ancillary characters finally.
Yeah, this is definitely true.
How's it doing though? I hear poorly? Will we get another season?
The ratings have been garbage but Book 4 was ordered years ago and is already in production (though not post-production, as a lot of people think). It's possible that the show will be moved to Nicktoons, but I don't know enough to say whether that's likely. According to the co-creator of the show, a large portion of Book 2's audience was viewing the show through official online channels, but Nickelodeon has decided not to make Book 3 episodes available online until two to three weeks after they air on TV.
Man. How empty will we feel when Book 4 is over? Presumably that's the last season right?
Yep, Bryan has said that Korra will be over after Book 4. It's gonna really suck, because we've never not had something to look forward to from this franchise before. The movie was announced before the end of the original series, and Korra was announced before the release of the movie. After 2015, we're not going to have anything left except (maybe) the comics. Unless some other new animated project in the Avatar 'verse is announced, which I'm keeping my fingers crossed for. But barring that, 10 years of onscreen Avatar will be coming to a close.
Pai Pai Master
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dumb filler episode. nobody cares about tenzin and hes ~drama~
"Filler" episodes are exactly what I wanted more of on the show. Not feeling that need to leap forward in narrative. Just take it slow and develop characters.
Honestly, At toph's perspective, I honestly understand her protecting Su, because it just happens that my fave episode in TLA is "The Runaway" lol.
But yeah...You look at toph on that episode and see that she actually got away with all the trouble she did, I can't blame her for freeing Su for doing the same things she did. She would do the same to Lin if Lin gets in some trouble of her own too...
The real problem though is of all the possible careers she can get, why being a police? I can see it if its a total necessity as she's the only metalbender around yet at the time, but it would be about time till she breaks a couple of rules because she can...
But yeah...You look at toph on that episode and see that she actually got away with all the trouble she did, I can't blame her for freeing Su for doing the same things she did. She would do the same to Lin if Lin gets in some trouble of her own too...
The real problem though is of all the possible careers she can get, why being a police? I can see it if its a total necessity as she's the only metalbender around yet at the time, but it would be about time till she breaks a couple of rules because she can...
This is how I feel. Also, like many others said Zuko or Aang probably had a hand in her becoming cheif because of the metalbendingIn my eyes, Toph being a police officer fit inso far that she was someone who liked to fight, and what better way to do that than make her own task force and go after criminals? Though I do think she liked being on the 'right' side of the fight, which is why she didn't opt to just become a criminal which could give her a similar career of fighting others.
m_shortpants
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Was the VA for young Suyin the same as Toph in TLA? Because it sounded just like her.
Also, is Guru Laghima weightlessness now confirmed to be astral projection?
Also, is Guru Laghima weightlessness now confirmed to be astral projection?
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Yeah, this is definitely true.
The ratings have been garbage but Book 4 was ordered years ago and is already in production (though not post-production, as a lot of people think). It's possible that the show will be moved to Nicktoons, but I don't know enough to say whether that's likely. According to the co-creator of the show, a large portion of Book 2's audience was viewing the show through official online channels, but Nickelodeon has decided not to make Book 3 episodes available online until two to three weeks after they air on TV.
Yep, Bryan has said that Korra will be over after Book 4. It's gonna really suck, because we've never not had something to look forward to from this franchise before. The movie was announced before the end of the original series, and Korra was announced before the release of the movie. After 2015, we're not going to have anything left except (maybe) the comics. Unless some other new animated project in the Avatar 'verse is announced, which I'm keeping my fingers crossed for. But barring that, 10 years of onscreen Avatar will be coming to a close.
Oh that's a great bit of info I didn't know, thanks!
I certainly hope we get more after a full s4
i'll be burnt out on it by the end i thinkMan. How empty will we feel when Book 4 is over? Presumably that's the last season right?
the one thing that i was interested in seeing was a villainous avatar, but since the avatar is basically sharing their body with the very essence of all that is Good and Just, i'll never get to see it (i hate this fucking change so much lol)
OK, can someone explain to me what the fuck the earthbender in Zaheer's clique does? How the hell does he create lava?
Heat can be created by friction, so going by that fact, I'm led to believe that he quickly rubs the earth together as he bends it. He does so in a fashion that causes it to heat quickly, and liquefy into molten lava.
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