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[King_Moc]

Israel using flechette shells in Gaza

more is here
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israel-using-flechette-shells-in-gaza?CMP=twt_gu

To be fair, they're only using them because they are going for legitimate military targets and are trying not to kill any civilians.

Oh wait, no, flechettes are for inflicting as high a death count as possible, aren't they? God, you'd have to be a real piece of shit to defend Israel here.

 

[Pilgor]

link?

Hamas Is Using Civilians as Human Shields but Its Latest Directive Is the Most Shocking

There is a photo of that same rooftop scene, but from a different angle.

 

[Buzzati]

It just keeps getting better. Out of curiosity, do you think apartheid South Africa had equal rights too?

In South Africa, the white nationalists needed the black population: it was the country’s workforce, and as bad as the bantustans were, the nationalist government devoted resources to sustaining and seeking international recognition for them. Israel wants to rid itself of the Palestinian burden. The road ahead is not toward South Africa, but toward something much worse.

 

[Dash27]

It just keeps getting better. Out of curiosity, do you think apartheid South Africa had equal rights too?

They can apply for citizenship, vote, and get government services while not being compelled to military service like other residents. Not to mention the stated goal of equality for all in a free and democratic society. Perhaps flawed but let's compare to HAMAS next?

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Israel using flechette shells in Gaza

more is here
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israel-using-flechette-shells-in-gaza?CMP=twt_gu

The Israel Defence Forces (IDF) did not deny using the shells in the conflict. "As a rule, the IDF only employs weapons that have been determined lawful under international law, and in a manner which fully conforms with the laws of armed conflict," a spokesperson said in response to a request for specific comment on the deployment of flechettes.

Like the use of White Phosphorus shells? Laughable.

 

[soul]

It just keeps getting better. Out of curiosity, do you think apartheid South Africa had equal rights too?

How would you explain the outrage of Israeli-Arab towns that have Palestinian majority, when Avigdor Lieberman offered to move control of their towns from Israeli to Palestinian Authority. Instead of being under Israeli rule they would be under PA rule under future agreements. No one would have to leave their homes, no one would have to evacuate, nothing. Instead, they want to stay under Israeli rule. Obviously, as they receive health care and social security payments just as any other Israeli.

What you say is so untrue it's disgusting. Everyone in Israeli have equal rights, and the Israeli-Arabs, who are about 20% of the population, even have major representatives in the Knesset. I'd say Israeli-Arabs are treated far better than in any Arab state in the mideast.

 

[Chariot]

Hamas Is Using Civilians as Human Shields but Its Latest Directive Is the Most Shocking

There is a photo of that same rooftop scene, but from a different angle.

From the same article:

Jesus.

 

[Snaku]

Israel using flechette shells in Gaza

more is here
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israel-using-flechette-shells-in-gaza?CMP=twt_gu

How do you not feel like a disgusting piece of shit firing these at a civilian population?

 

[King_Moc]

Hamas Is Using Civilians as Human Shields but Its Latest Directive Is the Most Shocking

There is a photo of that same rooftop scene, but from a different angle.

Soooo....Israel says we're going to blow up your house, the palestinians don;t leave, so Israel blows it up anyway.

How is it possible to spin that to be anyone's fault other than Israel's? It's still murder.

 

[genjiZERO]

More and more I'm convinced it's the Israeli military and government who are the terrorists.

 

[FiggyCal]

Soooo....Israel says we're going to blow up your house, the palestinians don;t leave, so Israel blows it up anyway.

How is it possible to spin that to be anyone's fault other than Israel's? It's still murder.

You don't get it though. Human shields. Self defense and all that.

 

[Chariot]

How do you not feel like a disgusting piece of shit firing these at a civilian population?

Easy. You don't view them as people. Have you read how soul, a former IDF soldier on GAF, talked about the palestini?

 

[zeroOman]

Hamas Is Using Civilians as Human Shields but Its Latest Directive Is the Most Shocking

There is a photo of that same rooftop scene, but from a different angle.

That an old news dude.. and the only score is someone from Hamas saying they send the family to protect the house from getting bomb cuz it's there only home here ... and this img are taken from where and for what.... no one know the same as the img showing Israel painting something in there faces ans saying they fake there injure...

 

[Ashes]

How would you explain the outrage of Israeli-Arab towns that have Palestinian majority, when Avigdor Lieberman offered to move control of their towns from Israeli to Palestinian Authority. Instead of being under Israeli rule they would be under PA rule under future agreements. No one would have to leave their homes, no one would have to evacuate, nothing. Instead, they want to stay under Israeli rule. Obviously, as they receive health care and social security payments just as any other Israeli.

What you say is so untrue it's disgusting. Everyone in Israeli have equal rights, and the Israeli-Arabs, who are about 20% of the population, even have major representatives in the Knesset. I'd say Israeli-Arabs are treated far better than in any Arab state in the mideast.

Are more than half of Arabs living in Israel still living in poverty? If not, I'm glad things have changed.

 

[Des0lar]

You don't get it though. Human shields. Self defense and all that.

So human shields are the most dangerous targets actually?

 

[Skyzard]

Like the use of White Phosphorus shells? Laughable.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2009/apr/23/thetimes-israel

In a briefing yesterday the IDF deputy chief of staff, Major-General Dan Harel, said: "Since this was a big buzz in the media, we issued an order 7 Jan '09 to stop using white phosphorus shells."

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Soooo....Israel says we're going to blow up your house, the palestinians don;t leave, so Israel blows it up anyway.

How is it possible to spin that to be anyone's fault other than Israel's? It's still murder.

They should have found out who is a Hamas member among themselves, and then brought that person's head to the Israeli government.

You never know with these Hamas things, they can grow within just about any household!

 

[Friggz]

i was on a conference call with a guy that lives in isreal. he had to leave his office becuase bombs were going off outside his window.

 

[Megalosaro]

Israel is commiting genocide.

DAT IRONY

 

[Zaph]

They can apply for citizenship, vote, and get government services while not being compelled to military service like other residents. Not to mention the stated goal of equality for all in a free and democratic society. Perhaps flawed but let's compare to HAMAS next?

Oh wow, get educated about what it's really like for Arabs living in Israel. Here's just one recent story http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/sayed-kashua-why-i-have-to-leave-israel

And Hamas is a product of desperate, oppressed and imprisoned people with no international support. You can't possibly compare it to the duty of a supposedly democratic government.

 

[King_Moc]

They should have found out who is a Hamas member among themselves, and then brought that person's head to the Israeli government.

You never know with these Hamas things, they can grow within just about any household!

Lol, yeah. I'm sure if Hamas was gone, Israel would just stop.

 

[soul]

Are more than half of Arabs living in Israel still living in poverty? If not, I'm glad things have changed.

If you ever go to a hospital in Israel you will notice a lot of the personal is actually Arab. They get 'Affirmative Action' - funded degrees, preferences in certain types of jobs (about 95% of the pharmacists in Israel are Arabs). A lot of Arabs are also serving in the I.D.F (in voluntary as they don't have to).

Israeli-Arabs have it way better than in any other Arab state in the middle east.

 

[Dash27]

Soooo....Israel says we're going to blow up your house, the palestinians don;t leave, so Israel blows it up anyway.

How is it possible to spin that to be anyone's fault other than Israel's? It's still murder.

I notice you skip the part where they are storing weapons and firing missiles at Israel from said house.

 

[FiggyCal]

So human shields are the most dangerous targets actually?

Especially the children. They're flechette magnets.

 

[Daingurse]

Indiscriminate butchery, don't see how this can be legitimately justified.

 

[Mighty Chin]

Lol, yeah. I'm sure if Hamas was gone, Israel would just stop.

If only Israel was gone then Hamas would stop.

 

[Random_Stranger]

I think Bill Maher puts a lot of this in context -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1zzlXleHU4


Not that it justifies killing hundreds of innocents but It's not black and white as both sides would have us think.

While what is happening to the innocent people is horrible I have to agree with most of what was said in this video. I honestly believe most of the Israel population does not want to kill them all. At least I would hope so..

 

[Dash27]

i was on a conference call with a guy that lives in isreal. he had to leave his office becuase bombs were going off outside his window.

Only counts if he dies.

 

[Joni]

The argument that you can evacuate is also very silly in the fact these people have to accept someone will come in and destroy their home. I'm quite sure most people here would prefer their house not to be destroyed.

 

[Mighty Chin]

Indiscriminate butchery, don't see how this can be legitimately justified.

I know Hamas just indiscriminately firing rockets into Israel is so wrong.

 

[King_Moc]

I notice you skip the part where they are storing weapons and firing missiles at Israel from said house.

Those missiles that have killed 1/15th of the people that Israel have killed in the last 2 weeks in the entire history of their use? Those missiles?

 

[genjiZERO]

Are more than half of Arabs living in Israel still living in poverty? If not, I'm glad things have changed.

And and they are also by definition second class citizens since Israel defines itself as a "Jewish State".

They should have found out who is a Hamas member among themselves, and then brought that person's head to the Israeli government.

You never know with these Hamas things, they can grow within just about any household!

Why should they do this? That's just bowing to the demands of the aggressors.

 

[Ashes]

Israeli-Arabs have it way better than in any other Arab state in the middle east.

Is Turkey in the middle east?

 

[Chariot]

While what is happening to the innocent people is horrible I have to agree with most of what was said in this video. I honestly believe most of the Israel population does not want to kill them all. At least I would hope so..

of course not. But the majority also don't want to save any of the palestinensi from death.

 

[FiggyCal]

I notice you skip the part where they are storing weapons and firing missiles at Israel from said house.

Saying that they're using innocent civillians as shields doesnt give you a free pass to kill them anyway. And are we really to believe that ALL the kids and women that were murdered were all guilty of something?

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2009/apr/23/thetimes-israel

In a briefing yesterday the IDF deputy chief of staff, Major-General Dan Harel, said: "Since this was a big buzz in the media, we issued an order 7 Jan '09 to stop using white phosphorus shells."

The only reason they allegedly stopped using that flesh-melting vicious weapon in civilian areas. Mind you they tried to pass off the shelling as "flares" in broad daylight and swore up and down before that it was not White Phosphorus despite UN reports from hospitals and morgues that clearly showed results of White Phosphorus.

If the media did not see them in use they would be in use right now. Your quote does not make it any way defensible.

 

[yarden24]

Is Turkey in the middle east?

While I think what he is saying is really stupid, turkey is neither in the Middle East, nor an Arabic country

 

[MacNille]

Is Turkey in the middle east?

No and Turks are not Arabic.

 

[soul]

Those missiles that have killed 1/15th of the people that Israel have killed in the last 2 weeks in the entire history of their use? Those missiles?

I see. So it's okay they shoot rockets if they don't hit anyone. That's your logic? Really?

Israel was smart enough to protect it's citizens. With all the money Hamas has made due to decent contributions from Qatar, Turkey, U.N. etc has bought advanced weapons, advanced rockets, created underground tunnels and so on.

A part of Hamas' strategy is to place it's arms where it knows or expects Israel not to hit. For example, Israel knows for a fact 99% of Hamas' leaders and rockets are under Al-Shifa hospital. They don't want to protect their citizens because that's a part of their overall strategy; if their citizens get hit, it's better for them, more pressure on Israel to stop.

 

[Measley]

This isn't going to stop until the majority of humanity becomes atheist and realizes this shit is pointless and self destructive.

 

[Skyzard]

The only reason they allegedly stopped using that flesh-melting vicious weapon in civilian areas. Mind you they tried to pass off the shelling as "flares" in broad daylight and swore up and down before that it was not White Phosphorus despite UN reports from hospitals and morgues that clearly showed results of White Phosphorus.

If the media did not see them in use they would be in use right now. Your quote does not make it any way defensible.

Ah I thought you were doubting that it was used.

 

[Ashes]

While what is happening to the innocent people is horrible I have to agree with most of what was said in this video. I honestly believe most of the Israel population does not want to kill them all. At least I would hope so..

News discourse should not be as one sided as that panel was.

 

[Thorakai]

This isn't going to stop until the majority of humanity becomes atheist and realizes this shit is pointless and self destructive.

lol

 

[falastini]

It's definitely a pro-Israel video, but the conclusion begs the question... would the Palestinians and other Arab/Muslim states ever accept the nation of Israel? Would Israel ever just abandon the country? Because that's really the only questions. Rather than getting bogged down by who started what.

Arab nations have already agreed to recognize and normalize diplomatic relations with Israel, if they withdrew from the occupied territories, and accepted an independent Palestine in West Bank and Gaza.

 

[jerry1594]

This isn't going to stop until the majority of humanity becomes atheist and realizes this shit is pointless and self destructive.

Of course. Then the entire world will read the selfish gene and talk about how rational they are on forums. War will be over forever.

 

[yarden24]

Those missiles that have killed 1/15th of the people that Israel have killed in the last 2 weeks in the entire history of their use? Those missiles?

Yes, those missiles, you can say that the use of indiscriminate force against people using these missiles is unethical, but just because Israel has found ways to defend its citizens from such measures does not mean it should accept the rockets being fired

 

[Pilgor]

Soooo....Israel says we're going to blow up your house, the palestinians don;t leave, so Israel blows it up anyway.

How is it possible to spin that to be anyone's fault other than Israel's? It's still murder.

I doubt Israel actually attacked that particular house, with so many people visible. It's more likely than not that they abandoned any planned airstrike on that target. I don't know the exact number of Israeli airstrikes so far, but it must be approaching 2,000. Just looking at the numbers, it's clear that the vast majority of airstrikes are not actually causing casualties.

Of course that doesn't legitimize the tragic deaths of roughly 300 Gazans. However, to assume that Israel would purposefully blow up a house with dozens of people acting as human shields is just plain ludicrous. It's clear Israel is not trying to kill innocent civilians. If that was their goal, the death toll would be significantly higher. On the other hand, they are not doing enough to minimize the death of innocent civilians.

From the same article:

Jesus.

This is an unfortunate reality. There is a network of underground tunnels throughout Gaza, used to smuggle and transport weapons. I wish they could be used to protect innocent civilians instead.

 

[Chariot]

This isn't going to stop until the majority of humanity becomes atheist and realizes this shit is pointless and self destructive.

Man, really? Now some hardcore atheist who thinks that atheist people can't be greedy and violent? ffs.

 

[Zaph]

And and they are also by definition second class citizens since Israel defines itself as a "Jewish State".

Hold up.

Did you just defend apartheid? Because it's a self defined Jewish state it's okay for non-Jews to be treated as second class citizens?

England is a Christian country, should we treat all the non-believers as second class citizens too?

 

[kmag]

The only reason they allegedly stopped using that flesh-melting vicious weapon in civilian areas. Mind you they tried to pass off the shelling as "flares" in broad daylight and swore up and down before that it was not White Phosphorus despite UN reports from hospitals and morgues that clearly showed results of White Phosphorus.

If the media did not see them in use they would be in use right now. Your quote does not make it any way defensible.

As with everything the IDF does. They only investigate when there's video or some international observer happens to witness their atrocity. Otherwise it's just another 'terrorist' to the kill column.