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2014 Israel-Gaza Conflict [UN: 1,525+ Palestinian dead, mostly civilian; 66 Israeli]

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Daaruz said:
I see.

This war is nothing, but political. What war isn't political?

Congress, Senate and Government heads should be the FIRST to send their sons and daughters to war...they're the ones that cause it really.
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I just straight up hate war, there's always a dark motive behind them anyways. This is just another war of aggression, the cynical side of me can't wait for the Day of Judgement (whether you believe in it or not) that's when everything ends. We should be thankful for the fact that we're safe in our own homes and not being blown to pieces. Count our blessings man. At least I can get up and eat later at sunset, many people can't.
 
NewEraBlood said:
Did I overlook something or do those make Israel look very open to a peaceful resolution?
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Yes, the part that says, "A Palestinian state must be demilitarized, without control over its air space and electro-magnetic field, and without the power to enter into treaties or control its borders". Thus making it a client state of Israel unable to exercise sovereign powers.

If Palestine should be forbidden from having a military, from exercising control over boarders and airspace, and from negotiating with other nations then so should Israel.
 
Why does Hamas fortify in civilian areas, unless they're basically daring Israel to come and kill innocents? I'm sure they're in a desperate situation compared to their enemy, but that crosses a huge line.
 
mattiewheels said:
Why does Hamas fortify in civilian areas, unless they're basically daring Israel to come and kill innocents? I'm sure they're in a desperate situation compared to their enemy, but that crosses a huge line.
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Errr, because there is nothing but civilian area in Gaza? There are no convenient war stadiums to fight in.
 
Cloudy said:
As shitty as this situation is, it's amazing that people think that the Palestinians should just turn the other cheek as dozens of their women and children are massacred in a few days.

See how easy that was?
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Except that Hamas has stated that it's goal is to wipe out Israel. It's not a tit-for-tat thing with them. Israel shows more force because they HAVE the force. It should not be surprising that Israel is trying to cripple the government who is attacking them.
 
fantomena said:
Gore images taken my Norwegian doctor[Mads Gilbert in Gaza.

I REPEAT, GORE, NSFW!

http://www.ivarjohansen.no/images/stories/pdf/fotogaza17072014.pdf

Edit: Seems like it was taken by Alaa Salamah, sorry.
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And every fucking person who is justifying these attacks and apologizing for Israel should force themselves to look at pictures like these, as horrifying and painful as they are. This is what they are condoning, that's "worth" whatever undefined and ambiguous goals Israel allegedly has. "Security"? The amount of children and women that Israel has slaughtered in the past few days is more people than Hamas could possibly kill in DECADES.

Keep in mind that there was not a SINGLE Israeli rocket death that spurred this massacre. The FIRST death happened 11 days after Israel's bombardment, try not to forget that. Meanwhile, we're approaching 500+ palestinian deaths and decimation of basic civilian infrastructure. Those who can say this attack is "justified" are absolutely sickening human beings.
 
Serious question: what is Israels justification for the settlements? What is the governments official stance on them?
 
mattiewheels said:
Why does Hamas fortify in civilian areas, unless they're basically daring Israel to come and kill innocents? I'm sure they're in a desperate situation compared to their enemy, but that crosses a huge line.
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Gaza is one of the most densely populated places on the planet. It's not like there is abundant room to spread out. The population there is packed in like sardines, and what makes it so tragic is that they are being told to evacuate. Where do they go? Into the sea? They are literally trapped, while an onslaught and bombardment is taking place. They even had power cut. The entire population is being made to suffer and they are being butchered like fish in a barrel.
 
i feel like the very worst thing that could happen to israel is being forced to stop what they are clearly in the process of doing, which would only come as a result of some kind of change in the western order, which in turn can only be the result of time.

so in the meantime it's in their interests to be as belligerent as possible. with a little luck, there will be so little left of the palestinian state by the time a change in order happens that even if politicians do speak out in their opposition to the situation, it will be in the past tense.
 
Scrooged said:
Except that Hamas has stated that it's goal is to wipe out Israel. It's not a tit-for-tat thing with them. Israel shows more force because they HAVE the force. It should not be surprising that Israel is trying to cripple the government who is attacking them.
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Well, Israel has been stealing their land and killing their people for decades. Israel has shown plenty of force before Hamas existed. What were their excuses before?
 
Nozem said:
Serious question: what is Israels justification for the settlements? What is the governments official stance on them?
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I was wondering that too. What are the chances they'd be stopped/ removed if Hamas would stop every violent action?
 
Father_Brain said:
Probably one of the few times I'll say something in defense of Israel in this thread, but that's simply not what a theocracy is. Israel is not ruled by religious leaders (though it does accord certain rabbis more power than would be the case in a more purely secular nation), and does not have biblical or talmudic law as the basis for its system of government.
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The how would you describe Israel? Because I can't think of a better way of describing a government where certain castes are de jure more powerful, and the basis for that caste identity is religion. I certainly wouldn't call that a liberal democracy.
 
Paradoxal_Utopia said:
And every fucking person who is justifying these attacks and apologizing for Israel should force themselves to look at pictures like these, as horrifying and painful as they are. This is what they are condoning, that's "worth" whatever undefined and ambiguous goals Israel allegedly has. "Security"? The amount of children and women that Israel has slaughtered in the past few days is more people than Hamas could possibly kill in DECADES.

Keep in mind that there was not a SINGLE Israeli rocket death that spurred this massacre. The FIRST death happened 11 days after Israel's bombardment, try not to forget that. Meanwhile, we're approaching 500+ palestinian deaths and decimation of basic civilian infrastructure. Those who can say this attack is "justified" are absolutely sickening human beings.
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I in no way justify the killing off innocents, these pictures make me sick.

That in mind, the fact that Israel has way less civilian casualties is a the weakest argument there is. It just says Israel takes better care of their people. By building systems that protects them, bomb shelters, etc. Hamas, by many eye-witness accounts, does the opposite.

Do you really advocate for more helpless casualties just to "even the score" ?
 
Scrooged said:
Except that Hamas has stated that it's goal is to wipe out Israel. It's not a tit-for-tat thing with them. Israel shows more force because they HAVE the force. It should not be surprising that Israel is trying to cripple the government who is attacking them.
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The only thing I see being crippled is little kids....if they're lucky
 
Kinyou said:
I was wondering that too. What are the chances they'd be stopped/ removed if Hamas would stop every violent action?
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From the sound of this, the idea is to ultimately complete the expansion.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/15326#.U8wTJGRdVy8


Sovereignty – Gaza is part of our Land and we will remain there forever. Liberation of parts of our land forever is the only thing that justifies endangering our soldiers in battle to capture land. Subsequent to the elimination of terror from Gaza, it will become part of sovereign Israel and will be populated by Jews. This will also serve to ease the housing crisis in Israel. The coastal train line will be extended, as soon as possible, to reach the entire length of Gaza.

According to polls, most of the Arabs in Gaza wish to leave. Those who were not involved in anti-Israel activity will be offered a generous international emigration package. Those who choose to remain will receive permanent resident status. After a number of years of living in Israel and becoming accustomed to it, contingent on appropriate legislation in the Knesset and the authorization of the Minister of Interior, those who personally accept upon themselves Israel’s rule, substance and way of life of the Jewish State in its Land, will be offered Israeli citizenship.
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mattiewheels said:
Very true. What an impossible situation this is, if Israel continues to retaliate this hard. They need to find better methods for retaliation, if there even are any.
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I don't see any "human" outcome here if there is no "outside help/intervention", unfortunately.

Kinyou said:
I was wondering that too. What are the chances they'd be stopped/ removed if Hamas would stop every violent action?
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Pretty much 0.

You just have to look at the West Bank. Israel could have made that a prime example of "peace" and co-existence, it probably served to give Hamas even more power.
 
Paradoxal_Utopia said:
The fact is that Israel has for years intentionally kept Gaza, an open-air prison, as the brink of a humanitarian crisis. There are not "two sides"--there is a starved and desperate people, and there is an occupier with the most powerful military power in the world on its side. That's as one-sided as it gets.

Whats Israel's long term goal? Is causing so much death and suffering to Palestinians bringing them closer to it? What about the hundreds of thousands who have now lost family/friends, are are scarred for life with the carnage of death and destruction? Are these the people that Israel believes will be more amenable to compromise, instead of simply needing revenge because of their deep despair? Then what, Israel kills them all? Anyone who isn't a complete fucking idiot can see that the only strategy Israel has is one of unrelenting "war", because they know that radicalizing the Palestinians is to their benefit. It feeds their PR machine, and it destroys the chance of any kind of peace or palestinian state, things that Israel does not want.

Any positive development for Palestinians that could better their future that has been met with praise from the outside world (UN observer status, unity gvt) has been met with extreme anger, mockery, and then punishment from Israel. They wont have an ounce of goodwill towards the Palestinian people, nor any desire to see them better themselves and build a hopeful future. They've constantly torpedoes any chance of that, knowing that the result will give them pretext for further violence and oppression.
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Hear hear.
 
Spacecowboy77 said:
I in no way justify the killing off innocents, these pictures make me sick.

That in mind, the fact that Israel has way less civilian casualties is a the weakest argument there is. It just says Israel takes better care of their people. By building systems that protects them, bomb shelters, etc. Hamas, by many eye-witness accounts, does the opposite.

Do you really advocate for more helpless casualties just to "even the score" ?
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What is Hamas supposed to build these shelters with, and where? Israel takes better care of their people because they can. Hamas can't defend anything with what they have. Do you really expect them to possess a fancy missile defense system? Maybe when their citizens run out of bread they can just eat cake.
 
genjiZERO said:
The how would you describe Israel? Because I can't think of a better way of describing a government where certain castes are de jure more powerful, and the basis for that caste identity is religion. I certainly wouldn't call that a liberal democracy.
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Except for the fact that it is a democracy, with rule of law and protection for minorities. But on the other hand, HAMAS is regarded as a terrorist organization by many western nations. So it's really too close to call.
 
jakonovski said:
You're gonna ride that sentence all the way to the last living Palestinian, aren't you? Israel will for certain.
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I don't know what that user has said exactly prior, nor am endorsing any specific views with this post of mine, but may I ask you a question? It's a simple question.

Have you read article 7 of the Hamas Charter? If not, go ahead and read it; not a summary, not the jist of it, the whole thing.
 
Aaron said:
What is Hamas supposed to build these shelters with, and where? Israel takes better care of their people because they can. Hamas can't defend anything with what they have.
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They're apparently very good at digging tunnels and hiding underground. I'd say those are prime candidates for bomb shelters.
 
Spacecowboy77 said:
They're apparently very good at digging tunnels and hiding underground. I'd say those are prime candidates for bomb shelters.
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What the fuck. Bombs from Israel are leveling concrete apartment blocks. You think dirt can protect them? Might as well walk into gunfire than being buried alive.
 
genjiZERO said:
The how would you describe Israel? Because I can't think of a better way of describing a government where certain castes are de jure more powerful, and the basis for that caste identity is religion. I certainly wouldn't call that a liberal democracy.
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A quasi-liberal democracy? I dunno, honestly, but theocracy certainly isn't it.
 
mattiewheels said:
Why does Hamas fortify in civilian areas, unless they're basically daring Israel to come and kill innocents? I'm sure they're in a desperate situation compared to their enemy, but that crosses a huge line.
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For real u think the attack in Shojaiya was cuz Hamas was firing from there wtf.... they just want to destroy everything to make ppl mad at Hamas, it's not the first time something like this happen
 
Aaron said:
What the fuck. Bombs from Israel are leveling concrete apartment blocks. You think dirt can protect them? Might as well walk into gunfire than being buried alive.
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You know hamas has a whole underground network under gaza in which they are hiding y?
Its probably most safe to be a hamas official these days in gaza.
 
RustyNails said:
Is this troll or what. Sorry I can't keep up.
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How is this trolling?

Hamas has shown that it can dig huge tunnels that span kilometers to the Israeli border. Why can't they dig functional bomb shelters for their citizens?

Sigh. So much misinformation on both sides. I'm done for today.

It's so sad we'll wake up to other morning of fresh corpses and 0 hope.
 
Orenhy said:
You know hamas has a whole underground network under gaza in which they are hiding y?
Its probably most safe to be a hamas official these days in gaza.
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Ah, so it is an even fight after all. The death toll might be a little lopsided, but at least Hamas has holes to put their dead to rest.
 
Spacecowboy77 said:
How is this trolling?

Hamas has shown that it can dig huge tunnels that span kilometers to the Israeli border. Why can't they dig functional bomb shelters for their citizens?

Sigh. So much misinformation on both sides. I'm done for today.

It's so sad we'll wake up to other morning of fresh corpses and 0 hope.
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Ok so it's not a troll. Tunnels are *illegal* according to Israel and Egypt, and in the past 3 days 12 tunnels have been obliterated. The tunnels are being specifically targeted by IDF. What do you think is going to happen if women and children are housed in them? Bomb shelters aren't holes in the dirt. They require reinforced concrete and special construction materials that is able to withstand the might and fury of a bunker buster missile, which IDF employs.
 
Spacecowboy77 said:
How is this trolling?

Hamas has shown that it can dig huge tunnels that span kilometers to the Israeli border. Why can't they dig functional bomb shelters for their citizens?

Sigh. So much misinformation on both sides. I'm done for today.

It's so sad we'll wake up to other morning of fresh corpses and 0 hope.
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To make shelter endure rocket and bomb isn't that easy.... they could kill more civilians with ur idea man
 
RustyNails said:
Ok so it's not a troll. Tunnels are *illegal* according to Israel and Egypt, and in the past 3 days 12 tunnels have been obliterated. The tunnels are being specifically targeted by IDF. What do you think is going to happen if women and children are housed in them? Bomb shelters aren't holes in the dirt. They require reinforced concrete and special construction materials that is able to withstand the might and fury of a bunker buster missile, which IDF employs.
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Steel and concrete being two materials which Israel prevents the Gazans from importing and using (outside of building projects controlled by international organisations)
 
If civilians actually did hide in tunnels in the ground, not only would that not stop the misseles and bombs, if they did happen to survive the initial blast, they'd probably be buried alive.
 
ironcreed said:
From the sound of this, the idea is to ultimately complete the expansion.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/15326#.U8wTJGRdVy8
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I googled that guy and just.. wow...

Feiglin was asked about Israel's status as a "Jewish and democratic state" in a 2004 interview and stated: "Why should non-Jews have a say in the policy of a Jewish state?... For two thousand years, Jews dreamed of a Jewish state, not a democratic state. Democracy should serve the values of the state, not destroy them...."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Feiglin

And that guy got voted into the Israeli Knesset

Spacecowboy77 said:
They're apparently very good at digging tunnels and hiding underground. I'd say those are prime candidates for bomb shelters.
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Wouldn't there be a good chance that the IDF assumes that they use these shelters as storage for missiles and target them specifically?
 
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