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[Joni]

What has this to do with anything? Is hamas threatened by Egypt? Is Egypt about to invade? It was a cease fire to discuss a future cease fire. Nothing more.

I'm quite sure they'd feel safe discussing a ceasefire accompanied by two parties that want their destruction.

 

[phalestine]

CNN's breaking news headline this morning: Seven Israeli soldiers were killed today in or near Gaza, Israeli military says, bringing number of Israeli soldiers killed in conflict to 25.

No mention of the many civilians killed by the Israeli bombings.

Makes me fucking sick.

Baltimore Suns headline today was "Sharp rise in Gaza deaths: 13 Israeli soldiers, 70 others killed;.."

Literally "othering" us.

 

[sindbadthesailor]

One of the worst things about this conflict is how every single Palestinian death is being lumped into the category of 'human shields.'

And even worse is how the apologists and NA media have lapped it up and thus, callously gloss over the deaths of innocents by stretching each one as a 'victory' for Hamas. The actual result is effectively declaring every single Palestinian an enemy combatant, and therefore legitimizing wholesale genocide.

Hard to imagine them sinking any lower but undoubtedly, they'll find a way.

 

[kamorra]

That's a silly question. The UN, in 1947.

Poor Israel and silly Arabs. Both just marionettes of the evil UN.

 

[Jackpot]

Question, who started firing missiles first?

Question: Why have you deflected with the above meaningless statement after someone took the time to post a detailed response to your comments specifically on the recent Ceasefire proposal?

 

[Joni]

That's a silly question. The UN, in 1947.

Great Britain, 1917. Or their desire in 1922 to just make another colony.

 

[Stet]

Great Britain, 1917.

Babylon, 586 BCE.

 

[zeroOman]

ISRAEL CHANNEL TWO RETRACTS FALSE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST UNRWA

Jerusalem

Israel’s highest-rating TV news network, Channel Two, has retracted false and damaging allegations that an UNRWA ambulance was used to transport militants in Gaza on the night of 19 July 2014. The false report by Channel Two’s military affairs correspondent was pulled after UNRWA presented incontrovertible evidence that the allegation was baseless.

“There are many false reports circulating about UNRWA right now. This is another regrettable example in that long catalogue of sloppy journalism”, said UNRWA Spokesman, Chris Gunness. “The constant repetition of baseless allegations about the UN allows false mythologies to take root. I encourage members of the public to treat them with the suspicion they deserve and I call on all journalists to check with us first before damaging the credibility of their organisations.”

In October 2012, Israel Channel Two News was forced to publish a similar retraction following false claims about UNRWA’s neutrality record.

“UNRWA is working under incredible pressure right now in Gaza providing assistance to tens of thousands of people displaced by the fighting. Even during this extraordinarily difficult situation, we do our utmost to maintain the highest standards of neutrality for our staff, our property and in our installations”, Gunness concluded.

http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press...-two-retracts-false-allegations-against-unrwa

 

[norealmx]

The israel defense force has been in full blow-out in my facebook... Even some guy called these deaths "necessary so the enemies of israel know what would happen to anyone to dare go against us" and "these lives where worthless anyway".

It just made me feel sick. Was called out anti-Semitic and to be de-friended for commenting.

 

[Orenhy]

Yes it is. Because they've done shit all to Israel except fire worthless rockets that have killed only 28 people in like a decade. While Israel kills 500 in a day, and mostly civilians. If these magic tunnels could be used against Israel, they would have done it already. It's not like Israel isn't giving them plenty of reasons to.


Fuck no it's not. It's a war crime to bomb a hospital no matter the provocation. Also, the UN has examined the issue thoroughly, and found no evidence Hamas ever used civilians as shields. While there's plenty of proof that Israel does, but somehow they're not held accountable. They're never held accountable.

In the last 4 days, every day, 10+ hamas soldiers poped out of these holes exits, which are about 0.5 km away from local villages. Every time they got spotted by the IDF that has lookouts using cameras and drones, and they either get bombed, or in 2 cases shoot down some soldiers who come to them before they all die, or run back in the hole and gtfo.

you say "worthless rockets" why? they sent hundreds of rockets so far into israel, the only reason lets say, a 1/3rd of them didn't hit is because for each rocket has 2 intercepting rockets sent against it by the iron dome system, which the USA paid for, and each rockets costs tens of thousands of $$.

Things have a price, you seem to be aware of nothing but the latest death toll posted on the news, and even that you can't post accurately, 500 Palestinian deaths are for 2 weeks, not 1 day, some things are not supposed to be winged so easily and figuratively.
Israel has done wrong by the Palestinians, but its the same the other way, not by death toll, but the Palestinians use terrorism as their method, as in mostly targeting resilience as a means for revenge, political leverage, showing of power, and also to raise global awareness.
If you think israel is ruthless now, you seem to have 0 idea of the measures it takes to try and avoid civilian casualties, but it also has an obligation for its soldiers and own civilians which it favors. Seems people here forgot how hard fighting guerrilla is when you try to uphold war laws. this "massacre" occurred in a huge fight that also cost the life of 13 israeli soldiers who are sweeping the area for those underground tunnels, which led to the bombing of the area, its not that the area was just randomly bombed.
Seems GAF has much nicer and informative threads for videogames, but no one updates these OP's to actually have anything close to fairness of facts.

 

[Spinluck]

My family is Jewish... I hate hearing my dad speak of Israel as though they're morally untouchable.

God's favorites people brah!

 

[Chariot]

The israel defense force has been in full blow-out in my facebook... Even some guy called these deaths "necessary so the enemies of israel know what would happen to anyone to dare go against us" and "these lives where worthless anyway".

It just made me feel sick. Was called out anti-Semitic and to be de-friended for commenting.

Prepare to puke. I read it in the taz. Uzi Dayan, fromer Israeli National Security Council and now politican, said something like "everyone who comes after this will remember what happened to the Hamasregime".

 

[Gintamen]

It just made me feel sick. Was called out anti-Semitic and to be de-friended for commenting.

Time to realize that those weren't worth your time to begin with.

Another theory: Israel planed to lay off JDF forces some time before this whole mess startet, now they want to exterminate as much of hamas as possible, to lessen the burden for the remaining forces? Possible?

 

[jakonovski]

As a metacommentary, this discussion is rather absurd once you remove identifiers, and distill down to the most important single issue.

Side A wants mass killing of humans to stop.
Side B wants mass killing of humans to continue.

 

[Pilgor]

As a metacommentary, this discussion is rather absurd once you remove identifiers, and distill down to the most important single issue.

Side A wants mass killing of humans to stop.
Side B wants mass killing of humans to continue.

You're right, it really is absurd and sad. Why cant Side B (Pro-Palestinians, Hamas apologists) just stop the call for violence?

 

[Gintamen]

Side A wants mass killing of humans to stop.
Side B wants mass killing of humans to continue.

With Israel being A&B and Gaza having A&B too. Wow, just like every single conflict with two disputing neighbours.

You're right, it really is absurd and sad. Why cant Side B (Pro-Palestinians, Hamas apologists) just stop the violence?

He is right, it really is absurd and sad. Why can't Side B (Pro-Israelits, JDF apologists) just stop the call for violence?

 

[Maninthemirror]

On the day (yesterday) when John Kerry went on CNN and said Israel is under siege by Hamas terrorist group

Tel-Aviv

 

[Terra]

Why cant Side B (Pro-Palestinians, Hamas apologists) just stop the call for violence?

Why can't Side B (Pro-Israelits, JDF apologists) just stop the call for violence?

This needs to happen! Come forward!

 

[docbon]

Targetted killing of civilian in Gaza by sniper: http://youtu.be/sBakqLUBWP0

Video does specify a Israeli soldier though this is not verified.

Yeah, the human shield excuse doesn't apply here.

Did they think he was Hamas affiliated... because of the color of his shirt?

 

[m_shortpants]

On the day (yesterday) when John Kerry went on CNN and said Israel is under siege by Hamas terrorist group

Tel-Aviv

Do you remember when he suggested Israel may have been teetering on the edge of becoming an apartheid state?

Yeah, he had to apologize.

AIPAC at work yet again. I bet he'll be in trouble again for the sarcastic remarks he made a few days ago.

 

[Pilgor]

With Israel being A&B and Gaza having A&B too. Wow, just like every single conflict with two disputing neighbours.

He is right, it really is absurd and sad. Why can't Side B (Pro-Israelits, JDF apologists) just stop the call for violence?

You are right, there are people on both sides who seem to want nothing but violence. It's tragic.

And just to clarify, it's the IDF, the Israeli Defense Force. Not JDF, which I assume you mean Jewish Defense Force.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

As a metacommentary, this discussion is rather absurd once you remove identifiers, and distill down to the most important single issue.

Side A wants mass killing of humans to stop.
Side B wants mass killing of humans to continue.

I'm on neither side and I find this black and white views people have in these threads ridiculous. People keep going back and forth in circles saying one side is 100% evil and one side is 100% victim.

 

[Anion]

The israel defense force has been in full blow-out in my facebook... Even some guy called these deaths "necessary so the enemies of israel know what would happen to anyone to dare go against us" and "these lives where worthless anyway".

It just made me feel sick. Was called out anti-Semitic and to be de-friended for commenting.

I stay away from that stuff on social media. Just shake your head and move on. If it is in person, then I might if the person is getting annoying

 

[King_Moc]

Question, who started firing missiles first?

Read this. You might learn something.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=121974526&postcount=1305

Question: Why have you deflected with the above meaningless statement after someone took the time to post a detailed response to your comments specifically on the recent Ceasefire proposal?

Also, this.

 

[jakonovski]

I'm on neither side and I find this black and white views people have in these threads ridiculous. People keep going back and forth in circles saying one side is 100% evil and one side is 100% victim.

What is gray area about 500 dead civilians? Seriously, before taking a side, everyone needs to ask themselves that.

 

[MutFox]

Baltimore Suns headline today was "Sharp rise in Gaza deaths: 13 Israeli soldiers, 70 others killed;.."

Literally "othering" us.

What do you expect.
The US is still a racist country.
#notallamericans but the powerful ones, yes.

What with the racist prison system, racially profiling people that look middle eastern,
and of course, siding with a country exterminating another race.

 

[Slurpy2k20]

Question, who started firing missiles first?

What an irrelevant, unrelated, intellectually dishonest response to my post, which was in response to why Hamas didn't "accept" the "ceasefire agreement". Your response shows you're interested in nothing more than drive by trolling, and not in any kind of meaningful interest in the facts. You didn't even acknowledge my response to your question, pretty classless. In response to your straw-man question, read the below (or don't- it's for the benefit of others) which all happened BEFORE a single rocket was fired.

After the kidnapping last month of three Israeli teens in the West Bank, hundreds of Palestinians — mostly Hamas members — were arrested across cities and towns in the occupied territory. Though it never provided specific evidence, Israel accused the Palestinian Islamist group, which has kidnapped Israelis in the past.

During an incursion by thousands of Israeli troops as part of “Operation Brother’s Keeper,” senior political leaders, clerics, teachers and fighters were detained in the cities of Hebron, Nablus and Bethlehem. IDF Chief of Staff Benny Gantz said early on that one of the main goals was to “crack down on Hamas as hard as possible and move forward.” Palestinians and Israeli rights group B’Tselem described the effort as collective punishment.

Notable detainees included former speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council Aziz Dweik, Hamas co-founder Hassan Yousef, legislators from Bethlehem Khalid Tafish and Anwar Zaboun, and the West Bank manager of Hamas-run Al-Aqsa TV.

Referring to the process as “cleaning house,” Israel seemed intent on destroying Hamas’ operational capability in the West Bank, and forcing Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party, which recently entered into a political unity agreement with the group, to break the arrangement.

During the West Bank sweeps, the Palestinian Authority said more than 566 people were detained, with media reports indicating up to 10 Palestinians killed. Israel cited 381 arrested, of whom 282 reportedly belong to Hamas.

A gag order preventing Israeli media from reporting details of the teens' abduction provoked allegations that the state knew the fate of the already-murdered missing teens, and was exploiting their kidnapping to launch incursions into Area A of the Palestinian territory — for which Israel is generally expected to ask the PA’s approval — so that it could prolong its anti-Hamas campaign, and demolish hopes for a viable Palestinian government.

Israeli force searched some 2,000 buildings, including 64 Hamas institutions. Weapons were taken from some of the facilities, and offices belonging to the group’s social organization, Dawa, were raided, with computers and documents seized or destroyed by Israeli security forces. Birzeit University’s student union was stormed in a search for Hamas promotional material. Bethlehem’s largest Islamic charity was ransacked. The Al-Quds University law faculty was raided, and some East Jerusalem charities were also shuttered.

If this kind of shit isn't mass provocation and incitement, what is? Palestinians were killed in these raids. All because Israel accused Hamas of doing something it never provided a shred of evidence for, and holds a gag order surrounding the circumstances (kidnapped teens). The rockets came after, and didn't kill a SINGLE Israeli until 11 days after Israel started bombing. If anything, the rockets were a reaction. And even then, you think that justifies the utter carnage we're seeing in Gaza (500+ dead), as if that can be blamed squarely on Hamas? Israel hasn't expressed a shred of accountability or responsibility for a single Gazan death yet, something that is pretty sociopathic.

It's easy to pick and choose events in a narrative to claim something happened "first". It's also cowardly and intellectually dishonest. The fact that you seem to claim that it's all about who's first/second, when the carnage is decidely one-sided, is pretty despicable.

 

[funkypie]

One of the worst things about this conflict is how every single Palestinian death is being lumped into the category of 'human shields.'

And even worse is how the apologists and NA media have lapped it up and thus, callously gloss over the deaths of innocents by stretching each one as a 'victory' for Hamas. The actual result is effectively declaring every single Palestinian an enemy combatant, and therefore legitimizing wholesale genocide.

Hard to imagine them sinking any lower but undoubtedly, they'll find a way.

Zionists control american media I'm afraid, see Rupert Murdock as a prime example. Any american politician or media figure who says anything balanced or not in Israels interest, is immediately called out as an anti-semite who loses their political power, fired or does not get the campaign money they need for election and a whole lot of other nonsense.

No other foreign leader is allowed to speak to a joint session of congress other than the isreali PM. Also they clap at everything he says.... like someone has an invisible gun to congresses head and telling them to clap.

 

[Gintamen]

Question: Why have you deflected with the above meaningless statement after someone took the time to post a detailed response to your comments specifically on the recent Ceasefire proposal?

When you can't win an argument, you just start another one. Vire didn't respond since either, pretty classic drive by posting. edit: Okay there it is.

 

[Vire]

What an irrelevant, unrelated, intellectually dishonest response to my post, which was in response to why Hamas didn't "accept" the "ceasefire agreement". In response to your straw-man question, read the below, which all happened BEFORE a single rocket was fired.



If this kind of shit isn't mass provocation and incitement, what is? Palestinians were killed in these raids. All because Israel accused Hamas of doing something it never provided a shred of evidence for, and holds a gag order surrounding the circumstances (kidnapped teens). The rockets came after, and didn't kill a SINGLE Israeli until 11 days after Israel started bombing. If anything, the rockets were a reaction. And even then, you think that justifies the utter carnage we're seeing in Gaza (500+ dead), as if that can be blamed squarely on Hamas? Israel hasn't expressed a shred of accountability or responsibility for a single Gazan death yet, something that is pretty sociopathic.

It's easy to pick and choose events in a narrative to claim something happened "first". It's also cowardly and intellectually dishonest. The fact that you seem to claim that it's all about who's first/second, when the carnage is decidely one-sided, is pretty despicable.

The people of Israel are living in a constant state of fear, every single day sirens go off in major cities like Jerusalem and Tel Aviv forcing civilians to retreat into bomb shelters . What they are doing is a form of terrorism, how do you reasonably expect the Israeli government to respond? Just sit there and let their people be terrorized weeks on end without a response? That is absurd. Egypt called for a cease fire and Israel agreed to the terms, while Hamas continued to reject the terms or even negotiate. The United Nations on Thursday announced that over twenty rockets were found in a Gaza School.

More in this opinion piece:

Rarely does international politics present a moment of such moral clarity. Yet we routinely hear this Israel-Gaza fighting described as a morally equivalent "cycle of violence." This is absurd. What possible interest can Israel have in cross-border fighting? Everyone knows Hamas set off this mini-war. And everyone knows the proudly self-declared raison d'etre of Hamas: the eradication of Israel and its Jews.

Apologists for Hamas attribute the blood lust to the Israeli occupation and blockade. Occupation? Does no one remember anything? It was less than 10 years ago that worldwide television showed the Israeli army pulling die-hard settlers off synagogue roofs in Gaza as Israel uprooted its settlements, expelled its citizens, withdrew its military and turned every inch of Gaza over to the Palestinians. There was not a soldier, not a settler, not a single Israeli left in Gaza.

And there was no blockade. On the contrary. Israel wanted this new Palestinian state to succeed. To help the Gaza economy, Israel gave the Palestinians its 3,000 greenhouses that had produced fruit and flowers for export. It opened border crossings and encouraged commerce.

The whole idea was to establish the model for two states living peacefully and productively side by side. No one seems to remember that, simultaneous with the Gaza withdrawal, Israel dismantled four smaller settlements in the northern West Bank as a clear signal of Israel's desire to leave the West Bank as well and thus achieve an amicable two-state solution.

This is not ancient history. This was nine years ago.

And how did the Gaza Palestinians react to being granted by the Israelis what no previous ruler, neither Egyptian, nor British, nor Turkish, had ever given them — an independent territory? First, they demolished the greenhouses. Then they elected Hamas. Then, instead of building a state with its attendant political and economic institutions, they spent the better part of a decade turning Gaza into a massive military base, brimming with terror weapons, to make ceaseless war on Israel.

Where are the roads and rail, the industry and infrastructure of the new Palestinian state? Nowhere. Instead, they built mile upon mile of underground tunnels to hide their weapons and, when the going gets tough, their military commanders. They spent millions importing and producing rockets, launchers, mortars, small arms, even drones. They deliberately placed them in schools, hospitals, mosques and private homes to better expose their own civilians.And from which they fire rockets at Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.

 

[Omiee]

Question, who started firing missiles first?

israel did. get your facts straight.

un showed figures that hamas stopped firing missles after the cease fire but israel continued to target hamas.

 

[Gintamen]

Egypt called for a cease fire and Israel agreed to the terms, while Hamas continued to reject the terms or even negotiate. The United Nations on Thursday announced that over twenty rockets were found in a Gaza School.

Yeah egypt, not gaza or hamas. That's the fucking point. Or would you let your neighbours judge over your whole existence without letting you into the discussion?

 

[Aaron]

The people of Israel are living in a constant state of fear, every single day sirens go off in major cities like Jerusalem and Tel Aviv forcing civilians to retreat into bomb shelters . What they are doing is a form of terrorism, how do you reasonably expect the Israeli government to respond? Just sit there and let their people be terrorized weeks on end without a response? That is absurd. Egypt called for a cease fire and Israel agreed to the terms, while Hamas continued to reject the terms or even negotiate. The United Nations on Thursday announced that over twenty rockets were found in a Gaza School.

If Israel cares about their citizens, maybe they shouldn't break cease fires and detain Palestinians on no proof of any wrongdoing, and then bomb mosques and hospitals because they claim weapons are stored there, again without a shred of proof. Egypt just purged the Muslim Brotherhood on trumped up charges, imprisoning and executing people who have an association with Hamas. This is like having a North Korea broker a cease fire between Japan and China.

And please don't quote an opinion peace as proof. It's insulting.

 

[Vire]

Yeah egypt, not gaza or hamas. That's the fucking point. Or would you let your neighbours judge over your whole existence without letting you into the discussion?

Almost all peace treaties are drawn up by third parties or intermediaries, so I'm not sure I understand your point.

If Israel cares about their citizens, maybe they shouldn't break cease fires and detain Palestinians on no proof of any wrongdoing, and then bomb mosques and hospitals because they claim weapons are stored there, again without a shred of proof. Egypt just purged the Muslim Brotherhood on trumped up charges, imprisoning and executing people who have an association with Hamas. This is like having a North Korea broker a cease fire between Japan and China.
.

Without a shred of proof?

http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-strongly-condemns-placement-rockets-school

 

[dripdripsplash]

A father learns that his daughter is killed.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152149180061104

 

[Slurpy2k20]

The people of Israel are living in a constant state of fear, every single day sirens go off in major cities like Jerusalem and Tel Aviv forcing civilians to retreat into bomb shelters . What they are doing is a form of terrorism, how do you reasonably expect the Israeli government to respond? Just sit there and let their people be terrorized weeks on end without a response? That is absurd. Egypt called for a cease fire and Israel agreed to the terms, while Hamas continued to reject the terms or even negotiate. The United Nations on Thursday announced that over twenty rockets were found in a Gaza School.

More in this opinion piece:

Like the dishonest person you are, again, you completely ignore my response outlining what Israel did leading to provoke the rocketfire, even though thats what you specifically asked for. You respond with the useless "Israelis in constant fear" drivel, in a post devoid of any actual fact (I guess completely packed beaches symbolize constant fear). And even if what you say its true, its telling that you think this "fear" justifies the utter devastation in Gaza. I wonder if you think Palestinian fear would justify 500+ Israelis killed, and Israeli neighbourhoods flattened? Or do you not think that Palestinians live in fear every day of their lives?

Furthermore, you then link to an opinion piece by a well known right wing loon and Fox News contributor (on the level of Anne Coulter and Michelle Malkin) whose opinion anyone and their dog can predict, imparting no new information besides a twisted, extremely biased, selective interpretation of the issues and would never in a million years hold Israel accountable for anything. You've shown time and time again you have no interest in learning anything new besides pushing your own agenda and ideology.

I find your agenda-driven, dishonest mentality disgusting, as is your inability to stay on topic when people (stupidly, like me) take the time to respond to you in good faith. There's not point in engaging with your likes in any kind of discussion or debate, because the truth is not what you're after.

 

[Kill Your Masters]

israel did. get your facts straight.

un showed figures that hamas stopped firing missles after the cease fire but israel continued to target hamas.

Yup, whenever there is a cease fire, Israel will start provoking Hamas so they start firing rockets. An active Hamas is what Israel actually wants. Easier to kill in the name of protection.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Baltimore Sun

CNN

Top News about Gaza conflict at Fox news

NPR

CBS News

Al Jazeera America

New York Times

LA Times

Washington Post

Wall Street Journal

 

[Pilgor]

Very interesting documentary.

Palestinian kids taught to hate Israel in UN-funded camps

“Our parents were on the beach,” a teacher in Balata tells the young campers sitting around her during story time. “They sailed ships, they would travel, they had cars, palaces, and villas… Every night they would tell stories.”

She then asks the children if Palestinians still have the sea, and if they want to go to the sea in Jaffa, Haifa, and Acre. Notwithstanding her passion for teaching about local geography, she asks the children if they would like to return to the sea in the land-locked city of Nazareth.

Her story soon takes a chilling turn. The Palestinians were having a nice barbecue on the beach when a wolf appeared, she recounts. “Who is the wolf?” the teacher asks. “The Jews! Isn’t it true that the Jews are the wolf?”

“Who expelled us?” she asks the kids, who listen with rapt attention. “The Jews!” they yell energetically.

“I will defeat the Jews,” a camper named Tayma tells the documentary crew. “They are a gang of infidels and Christians. They don’t like Allah and do not worship Allah. And they hate us.”

One young campers sums up, “The summer camp teaches us that we have to liberate Palestine.”

 

[Maninthemirror]

Very interesting documentary.

Palestinian kids taught to hate Israel in UN-funded camps

*Times of Israel*

 

[Aaron]

Almost all peace treaties are drawn up by third parties or intermediaries, so I'm not sure I understand your point.


Without a shred of proof?

http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-strongly-condemns-placement-rockets-school

Your own article says it was abandoned school and the rockets were removed. Israel have been bombing active hospitals and mosques, which is the places people have been going to escape the bombs dropped on their homes.

 

[gutter_trash]

Israel does use dispraportionate counter measures.

But why the fuck did Gaza elect Hamas over Fatah years ago? Shit got worse and worse under Hamas. Hamas even kills off Palestinian political rivals and killed off Palestinian family who were noted for supplying goods

 

[Kill Your Masters]

Israel does use dispraportionate counter measures.

But why the fuck did Gaza elect Hamas over Fatah years ago? Shit got worse and worse under Hamas. Hamas even kills off Palestinian political rivals and killed off Palestinian family who were noted for supplying goods

I would guess its hard to find logic and reason in an open air prison.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

What is the stance of the Arabic and Islamic countries that has ties with Israel regarding Gaza?

Did Turkey decided to stop providing Gas to Israel?
Did Qatar threatened to close their Israel Commercial office in Doha?
Did Iran add stop attacking Paleatinians as one of the Agreements in their Nuclear talks?
Did Egypt and Jordon pulled their Ammbasdors from Israel?

 

[Vire]

Your own article says it was abandoned school and the rockets were removed. Israel have been bombing active hospitals and mosques, which is the places people have been going to escape the bombs dropped on their homes.

This is a flagrant violation of the inviolability of its premises under international law. This incident, which is the first of its kind in Gaza, endangered civilians including staff and put at risk UNRWA’s vital mission to assist and protect Palestine refugees in Gaza.

UNRWA has strong, established procedures to maintain the neutrality of all its premises, including a strict no-weapons policy and routine inspections of its installations, to ensure they are only used for humanitarian purposes. UNRWA will uphold and further reinforce its procedures.

By placing these weapons in civilian territories they are endangering civilians. As the announcement stated, this is a flagrant violation of international law.

 

[Chariot]

A father learns that his daughter is killed.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152149180061104

This is heartbreaking.

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Nice compilation, thank you.

 

[Aaron]

Israel does use dispraportionate counter measures.

But why the fuck did Gaza elect Hamas over Fatah years ago? Shit got worse and worse under Hamas. Hamas even kills off Palestinian political rivals and killed off Palestinian family who were noted for supplying goods

Because Fatah was horribly corrupt and did nothing against Israel's oppression. They also couldn't see into the future to see how badly Israel and the US would react to Hamas.

You didn't read the article then.
This is a flagrant violation of the inviolability of its premises under international law. This incident, which is the first of its kind in Gaza, endangered civilians including staff and put at risk UNRWA’s vital mission to assist and protect Palestine refugees in Gaza.

UNRWA has strong, established procedures to maintain the neutrality of all its premises, including a strict no-weapons policy and routine inspections of its installations, to ensure they are only used for humanitarian purposes. UNRWA will uphold and further reinforce its procedures.

By placing these weapons in civilian territories they are endangering civilians. As the announcement stated, this is a flagrant violation of international law.

No, you didn't read what I said. I said Israel bombed mosques and hospitals without a shred of proof. I said nothing about an abandoned school. Also, according to the UN, to bomb a hospital FOR WHATEVER REASON is a war crime. They killed over five hundred people because their homes MIGHT have had rockets in them. These are the sort of things that ISIS does, not a country defending itself.

 

[Dude Abides]

Israel does use dispraportionate counter measures.

But why the fuck did Gaza elect Hamas over Fatah years ago? Shit got worse and worse under Hamas. Hamas even kills off Palestinian political rivals and killed off Palestinian family who were noted for supplying goods

Fatah was fairly corrupt, and Hamas is (or was) decent at delivering social services.

Plus Fatah's strategy of playing nice and cooperating with Israel hasn't gotten them anywhere.

 

[Partial Gamification]

Very interesting documentary.

Palestinian kids taught to hate Israel in UN-funded camps

I'm taking it with a grain of salt.

The video, uploaded to Youtube in late July and screened in part on Channel 2 news on Tuesday night, was directed by journalist David Bedein, who has written extensively about United Nations activities for the Israel Resource News Agency in Jerusalem. Channel 2 said the UN had promised to look into the indications in the report that UNRWA-funded camps were inciting hostility to Israel among young Palestinians.

Israel’s highest-rating TV news network, Channel Two, has retracted false and damaging allegations that an UNRWA ambulance was used to transport militants in Gaza on the night of 19 July 2014. The false report by Channel Two’s military affairs correspondent was pulled after UNRWA presented incontrovertible evidence that the allegation was baseless.

“There are many false reports circulating about UNRWA right now. This is another regrettable example in that long catalogue of sloppy journalism”, said UNRWA Spokesman, Chris Gunness. “The constant repetition of baseless allegations about the UN allows false mythologies to take root. I encourage members of the public to treat them with the suspicion they deserve and I call on all journalists to check with us first before damaging the credibility of their organisations.”

In October 2012, Israel Channel Two News was forced to publish a similar retraction following false claims about UNRWA’s neutrality record.

“UNRWA is working under incredible pressure right now in Gaza providing assistance to tens of thousands of people displaced by the fighting. Even during this extraordinarily difficult situation, we do our utmost to maintain the highest standards of neutrality for our staff, our property and in our installations”, Gunness concluded.
http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press...-two-retracts-false-allegations-against-unrwa

Is there a link to the whole video? I'm hesitant of taking this at face value due to an apparent smear campaign against this agency.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Israel does use dispraportionate counter measures.

But why the fuck did Gaza elect Hamas over Fatah years ago? Shit got worse and worse under Hamas. Hamas even kills off Palestinian political rivals and killed off Palestinian family who were noted for supplying goods

Fatah did not have the will to fight Israel's settlements and encrouchment. They have accepted what is, is, they might even succumb to less land

Hamas does not want to give up the fight against Israel and will not accept anything less than 1967 borders and they will use violence to achieve it.

the people chose Hamas's ideas of their future