Jimquisition (July 21) - The Xbox One: A Lying Failure Machine

I'm never going to buy an Xbox One because I can't trust MS, and I don't support companies that I can't trust at all. Acting all Heroic and pro consumer when they change something is stupid as hell.

It's that simple, maybe next gen I'll think about it.

Great Video Jim.
 
Well, it's run by morons sometimes that let you peek behind the curtain.

Like the time they forgot to switch accounts when they were tweeting fake questions for their account account to answer.

http://wccftech.com/official-xbox-twitter-account-tweets-xbox-support-kinect-related-issue/

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HAHA! Wow.... just... I missed that one.
 
Judging by the summaries in this thread, I find his take to be fairly hypocritical. The same people who were eviscerating Microsoft last year for what the XBO was are now giving them heat for the 180's they pulled and moving away from their original vision?

Maybe I'm misjudging the argument but I think that's a bit ridiculous.
 
The PS4 does not have blue-ray, cannot play mp3/mp4 media and has barely any apps that are worth using. The store is as terrible as it was on the PS3. When I switch a game off I can't access it at all without either waiting for 5-10 minutes or resetting the machine. The front screen is a fucking mess because they didn't bother to allow the use of folders. I could go on. As for this nonsense about about them staying the course, that's not good enough. They got away with it on the PS3 because it was a free service. Now they expect people to actually pay, that just won't fly anymore.

So many things flat out inaccurate with this post.
 

Reminds me of the time when they thought that Metal Gear Solid 5 was exclusive to the Xbone.

Well, it's run by morons sometimes that let you peek behind the curtain.

Like the time they forgot to switch accounts when they were tweeting fake questions for their account account to answer.

http://wccftech.com/official-xbox-twitter-account-tweets-xbox-support-kinect-related-issue/

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Yeah, Microsoft needs to fire them and hire someone who isn't a moron.
 
The PS4 does not have blue-ray, cannot play mp3/mp4 media and has barely any apps that are worth using. The store is as terrible as it was on the PS3. When I switch a game off I can't access it at all without either waiting for 5-10 minutes or resetting the machine. The front screen is a fucking mess because they didn't bother to allow the use of folders. I could go on. As for this nonsense about about them staying the course, that's not good enough. They got away with it on the PS3 because it was a free service. Now they expect people to actually pay, that just won't fly anymore.

I'm not saying you don't have a PS4 but that sounds nothing at all like what I experience with mine.

If you haven't played blu-ray movies on your (imaginary?) PS4 then it might be because either they were 3D or your PS4 is busted.
 
The PS4 does not have blue-ray, cannot play mp3/mp4 media and has barely any apps that are worth using. The store is as terrible as it was on the PS3. When I switch a game off I can't access it at all without either waiting for 5-10 minutes or resetting the machine. The front screen is a fucking mess because they didn't bother to allow the use of folders. I could go on. As for this nonsense about about them staying the course, that's not good enough. They got away with it on the PS3 because it was a free service. Now they expect people to actually pay, that just won't fly anymore.


It doesnt??? Shit, someone better tell my Blu-Ray copy of BTTF to stop playing on my PS4 IMMEDIATELY!!!!

Also, I need to complain about every PS4 game then, since they all say Blu-Ray disc on the box. If they have been lying to me all this time, I am going to sue!


PS.... It does have a Blu-Ray
 
I'm never going to buy an Xbox One because I can't trust MS, and I don't support companies that I can't trust at all. Acting all Heroic and pro consumer when they change something is stupid as hell.

It's that simple, maybe next gen I'll think about it.

Great Video Jim.

Thats the same with me. They basically showed us what direction they wanted to head in (Digital Age etc) and I am fine with that as it is not my cup of tea and others obviously liked it. But they changed their policies (EVEN if they were bad) and made everything almost unique about the console pretty obsolete, making it essentially a weaker PS4. I cant trust that they will stay with a vision as their could potentially be a point in time in the future when they go back on some of their unfavorable policies.

So I agree that it was a decent video and it made alot of sense.
 
Since when has this thread been about MS Twitter fuck ups.

Also didn't Major Nelson fix that tweet within like 2 minutes.
 
I'm glad that they're making some of these 180s, but I wish they had done it before they released the console.

sure, but I'm happy with how quickly they reacted.

the original Xbox one turned me off immediately as a fan since the first Xbox. It would have been great if the Xbox one was a more powerful gaming machine since all the other shit fell away, but I'm going to pick one up this holiday for their games.
 
Reminds me of the time when they thought that Metal Gear Solid 5 was exclusive to the Xbone.



Yeah, Microsoft needs to fire them and hire someone who isn't a moron.

Well, they might have been, considering the cuts they made to their marketing divisions recently.

If you're going to judge a company by their social media heads though.. no company is going to look good. They uniformly seem to be run by dunderheads.
 
I'm not sure how I feel about this video. Jim usually makes good, valid points, but it seems like he's arguing that, unless Microsoft comes out and outright apologizes for everything, that we should not be happy that things have changed for the better with regards to the Xbox One.

I think his point is that, a few too many people are a little too happy to lavish MS with praise when in reality they from being complete wankers to barely average.
 
*I haven't read the thread yet

Imo no one who isn't a fanboy and is part of the internet gaming community needs reminding about MS' lies and ignorance with the Xbox One, however if they are funding exclusives they should be applauded.

I just hate seeing ppl ignore good games for whatever reason, hopefully discussion will focus on them closer to release.
 
It's their fault for implementing the features in the first place. They should be punished for attempting to enforce their anti-consumer policies in the beginning.

holding that second place badge is their punishment. Xbox One will always be a second place console. In the end it has to be this way. People know that the PS4 is superior. Hell I'm a huge Xbox-head and I know that the PS4 is pissing on the Xbox One.

But second place isn't so bad. I mean, with this in mind, MS has to improve for the better if it wants to stay relevant. Which they will, come Gamescom and beyond.

Providing good shit, andd another cut to the Bone's price won't save the bone. It'll keep it relevant, but it won't save it.

Hold on, just because it has better hardware, does not mean it's superior. The PS4 is a great console and it will always be number 1, but I'm more than happy with my xbox one, and to me, it's the better console with the games I like to play.

The hyperbolic bullshit that is happening in this thread is getting a bit ridiculous though. Fair enough that people don't like the xbox one or MS for that matter, but saying it's a useless console is absolutely moronic.
 
So many things flat out inaccurate with this post.

Really? Perhaps you'd care to point them out. My PS4 doesn't have 3d blue-ray support. can't play mp3/mp4 files. Doesn't have folders. Will not load the store when I quit any game. Perhaps you can fix all that for me
 
I'm not saying you don't have a PS4.

Pathetic. I see some nonsense on here but actually calling someone a liar becuase they're not impressed with Sony's software updates? Next time, before you go calling people liars, you might want to check around. If you had done that you might have discovered I'm on Gaf's PS4 Destiny clan
 
Pathetic. I see some nonsense on here but actually calling someone a liar becuase they're not impressed with Sony's software updates? Next time, before you go calling people liars, you might want to check around. If you had done that you might have discovered I'm on Gaf's PS4 Destiny clan

I think people are calling you out mainly because of your blu-ray comment (which obviously meant 3D Blu-Ray, but you left out the 3D). Other parts such as the apps (I don't use apps anyway, so can't comment), and the store design are pretty subjective comments. The whole 5-10 minute thing seems to be a problem on your end, my system works fine. I'm not sure if it's they didn't "allow" the use of folders, rather they didn't have time to implement it. I'm hoping we'll see that in revision 2.0 (or an earlier update).

So no, they probably wern't calling you out as a liar for not liking Sony's software progress, but rather the inaccuracies of some of your comments.
 
Say you saw through a conman's tricks and threatened him to give you a proper deal or else you'd oust him to the entire marketplace. The conman complies, but only because you put a proverbial gun to his head. You don't graciously thank him for complying and start praising him do you?

I agree with Jim that it's too soon to start erasing what MS did last year from our minds so readily and act like the future is nothing but rainbows when no one from MS has even properly addressed its 'backpedaling and lies' as Jim put it. If they don't do it, the longer it'll take to earn back the good will.
 
Say you saw through a conman's tricks and threatened him to give you a proper deal or else you'd oust him to the entire marketplace. The conman complies, but only because you put a proverbial gun to his head. You don't graciously thank him for complying and start praising him do you?

I agree with Jim that it's too soon to start erasing what MS did last year from our minds so readily and act like the future is nothing but rainbows when no one from MS has even properly addressed its 'backpedaling and lies' as Jim put it. If they don't do it, the longer it'll take to earn back the good will.

Why are you buying something from a flea market conman after you know it's a con?
 
Jim on point as usual. Microsoft invested resources into the features they are now removing. All that is left is a crippled gaming machine. If you bought into the Xbox one for the promised features you would be hella disappointed.
 
Jim on point as usual. Microsoft invested resources into the features they are now removing. All that is left is a crippled gaming machine. If you bought into the Xbox one for the promised features you would be hella disappointed.

If that's what he's actually saying, that seems somewhat odd. Are there actual Xbox One owners that are worried about the missing features? I know me and a few others would've enjoyed some of the expanded digital features, so I'm disappointed about that (even though I still enjoy the system overall). But obviously, the majority of people disagreed with my stance, which is why it was changed in the first place. So why the sudden concern for Xbox One owners who no longer have the "promised features". Some of that type of talk seems like concern trolling, lol.
 
Hold on, just because it has better hardware, does not mean it's superior. The PS4 is a great console and it will always be number 1, but I'm more than happy with my xbox one, and to me, it's the better console with the games I like to play.

The hyperbolic bullshit that is happening in this thread is getting a bit ridiculous though. Fair enough that people don't like the xbox one or MS for that matter, but saying it's a useless console is absolutely moronic.

I hear this type of defense a lot on NeoGAF, but it is out of place. When people mention that a console or feature is superior to another they are talking about for the population as a whole, not for any one individual. We are talking about macro trends here and trying to predict the future of the business as a whole.

So yes we realize that you like the XB1 better. There is no problem with that. What we are saying is that the majority of gamers don't feel that way. Its by looking at these macro trends that many of us predicted last year what would happen to the XB1 even though time and time again individuals on GAF would say that they had no problem with Microsoft's policies.
 
What should Microsoft apologise for? Releasing a console, and then being torn to shreds about everything they tried to do, so they fix it, and when they do still getting torn to shreds about not sticking to their original vision. I seriously hate the internet and this "Mind Hive" that seems to happen.

Seriously, I'm not even kidding. I will admit that the DRM was a tad harsh, but I understood why it existed, and I actually liked the reason it existed. Should it have been connect to the internet after a week of no connection rather then after 24 hours of non-connectivity? Yes. Should it have been gotten rid of completely? No. Why do I think that? Because that DRM had some awesome features that would of been awesome, such as playing two games at once, while waiting for a match in Titanfall I could play a little Dead Rising 3. It allowed me to share my entire game collection with 10 of my friends (don't even have that many that I'd share with). How many times have I wanted to play a game with a friend and they not have it, this would of solved that problem (same in reverse).

I can understand getting rid of the Kinect, while I use it daily, I know some people despise it for some reason or another, and not enough games were made to convince me that it was needed. I like having it for games such as NFS: Rivals or Forza Horizon 2 where I can tell my GPS/Personal Assistant to set a destination for somewhere without having to stop driving and find it on a map. But it wasn't really an integral part of any must-have games that made it a must-have device. Sure Kinect Sports Rivals was an awesome game, but I doubt it made it on to many peoples 'must-have games' list. This is one of those things where I wish Microsoft had stuck to its guns, cause I feel that in a couple years, some innovative stuff would of happened with the Kinect, now they won't.

I don't think Microsoft is breaking promises here because the internet/consumers clearly shouted out about their distaste for both the DRM and Kinect and so Microsoft listened to the consumers. The instant backlash forced Microsoft to reconsider the DRM stuff, and if Microsoft had another year after the reveal to release the Xbox One, they would of taken the idea back to the drawing board and made one that was more agreeable to the millions of gamers who play in a submarine, but since they didn't have that much time, they scrapped it all instead and are most likely working on adding some of that stuff back right now, I actually remember someone at Microsoft saying something along the lines of this.

If Microsoft had to apologize to anyone, it would be the fans who actually wanted the features DRM allowed the Xbox to do, those who use the Kinect daily. They don't owe any apology to the people who lashed out at Microsoft about all this, because Microsoft listened to them and did what they wanted, those people didn't care about those features, so Microsoft owes them no apology.

Jim is one of those people who bashed Microsoft non-stop because of this stuff, which means he didn't care about any of these features, and yet he demands an apology from Microsoft for taking this things out? Fuck that guy, seriously.

EDIT: Also Phil Spencer already admitted that some of the Xbox One stuff was a mistake: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...-Some-Wrong-Decisions-Were-Made-With-Xbox-One
 
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