Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 10: Against the Odds, We Choose to Hype!
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Practically is?
Battlefield
Final Destination
Town and City
Skyloft*
Pilot Wings*
*not 100% sure about them, but didn't prog think they were fine during the Smash Bros Direct stream?
That would be 5 already. And we only have one retro stage so far and possibly get even more new stages. I think this game will end up with more than 5 viable stages.
EDIT: Whoops, forgot to send. Oh well, 1h late
Wow, we're going with my thread title suggestion?
First of all, I'd like to thank Sakurai for pretending that Chrom wasn't scrapped 3 months ago in order to discredit the Gemetsu leaks. I'd also like to thank the leaker for not having the skills to Google "gen 6 water Pokémon" when he didn't know whose Greninja's name was. And finally, I would like to thank all the loyal fans out there who know that Wii Fit Trainer, in retrospect, is a fairly obvious addition.
I am truly humbled.
First of all, I'd like to thank Sakurai for pretending that Chrom wasn't scrapped 3 months ago in order to discredit the Gemetsu leaks. I'd also like to thank the leaker for not having the skills to Google "gen 6 water Pokémon" when he didn't know whose Greninja's name was. And finally, I would like to thank all the loyal fans out there who know that Wii Fit Trainer, in retrospect, is a fairly obvious addition.
I am truly humbled.
OmegaSmash
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Shulk deconfirmed?
Could be a custom move. Although showing a single custom off amongst the standard moveset would be odd.Best pic:
So why is there fire below Falcon in this pic:
Did they add some fire to his Up B?
Aware that it's a few pages back but dang it that's a perfect price for me and I can't get there.
balladofwindfishes
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Nice to have confirmation of Bawl stages on the 3DS.
I wonder if Green Hill will return in the Wii U version as well.
I wonder if Green Hill will return in the Wii U version as well.
PadWarrior
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Yep! No Greninja or Pit, but I played pretty much exclusively as Mega Man, Kirby, Zelda, and Mario (mostly as Mega Man).
Mega Man - My impressions from E3 are that people are sleeping on him, and they really shouldn't. While his specials leave a bit to be desired and seem to lack some utility (other than Rush Coil, which is a solid recovery), his normals, airs, and smashes are excellent. I have won nearly EVERY SINGLE MATCH I played as Mega Man against other human opponents on both the Wii U and 3DS versions, both at E3 and here at SDCC. He's definitely not a "pick up and play" or beginner character and takes some learning, but it's been completely rewarding and worth it for me and I can't wait to learn him in full and totally commit when the games finally come out! A "quick" rundown of his moves in my experience:
Neutral A (Mega Buster) - Racks up damage surprisingly quickly but can be awkward to use since you're maybe expecting a physical punch to come out, and usually gets you punished in close quarters
Forward tilt (Mega Buster while running) - Same as above, can be fired while running
Up tilt (Mega Upper) - Somewhat tough to land, but deals decent damage, knockback, and often interrupts when it does hit
Down tilt/crouch attack (Slide) - Haven't really used it a whole lot, can't really comment
Dash attack (Top Spin) - An excellent attack, has high priority and hits multiple times for good damage like Kirby's dash attack
Forward smash (Charge Shot) - Honestly, one of the best forward smashes in the game so far in my experience. It travels a good distance and does high damage and vicious knockback. Because it's a projectile it's not easily punishable, and I've scored multiple KOs using this from a safe distance when the opponent is at 60-70%
Up smash (Spark Shock) - An excellent smash that has decent range, hits multiple times and deals good damage; it's VERY similar in form and function to Zelda's up smash
Down smash (Flame Blast) - A good launch attack but seems to be Mega Man's "worst" (least good, really) smash attack; its range is narrower than you would think and you really have to be standing right next to an opponent to get good results. Great for crowd control/FFAs however as it hits the ground to both sides of Mega Man simultaneously
Forward air (Flame Sword) - High priority, wide range, quick to launch, decent damage
Back air (Slash Claw) - Less priority than Flame Sword, I think, but hits twice for good damage and is quick to launch
Up air (Air Shooter) - One of Mega Man's best moves, which seems to have unfortunately gone mostly overlooked in impressions thus far. Does good damage but also lifts opponents upward (think G&W's air puff, but it actually lifts opponents upward rather than just slow their descent) enough that KOing off the top of the screen is not only possible but quite likely if they're high enough; I've done it multiple times to audible frustration by the person KO'd by it in this way
Down air (Hard Knuckle) - Haven't used it a whole lot, but I'm trying to incorporate it into my play style more because it's essentially a projectile spike. It's hard to hit with, though
Neutral special (Metal Blade) - Disappointing. Even though it can be thrown in eight directions, which is useful, its rate of fire is surprisingly slow, it doesn't really do enough damage to be worth it in most cases, and it can be caught/picked up and reused against Mega Man
Forward special (Crash Bomb) - Probably Mega Man's best offensive special. It's basically a freely reusable Sticky Bomb item that obviously does less damage. It's an easy-to-use "fire and forget" weapon that flies fast, sticks to an opponent, and explodes on them in a couple seconds for minor damage (8-10% I think?). Just be sure not to use it if you plan to follow up with a close-range attack on that same opponent, as like the Sticky Bomb, it can dislodge and stick onto whoever comes into contact with them
Up special (Rush Coil) - A good, solid recovery. Gives more vertical recovery than horizontal recovery; no glaring advantages or weaknesses, it's simply good
Down special (Leaf Shield) - Seems to be VERY hard to utilize properly. As a basic flying projectile, it seems to be nearly worthless, but it can be powered up by absorbing incoming projectile attacks (kind of like G&W's Oil Panic), at which point it does a *lot* more damage to whoever it's thrown into. It's been very hard for me to utilize this properly in that way, however, making me wonder if it's worth the trouble
Throw (Super Arm) - Not too sure about the range yet, but it comes out quickly and the throw feels powerful, with good (but not amazing) distance
Final Smash (Mega Man Legends) - Everyone knows this one, but for what it's worth, the Black Hole Bomb-like projectile Mega Man fires to activate it (is it actually the Black Hole Bomb...?) is large and seems to be generally easier to hit with than, say, Marth's Critical Hit and Zelda/Sheik's Light Arrow
Movement-wise, Mega Man just feels like he does in his own games, which is great. He's on the light side but not too light, slightly above average walking/running speed, average jump, etc.
Kirby - My Brawl main, baby! He plays similar to how he did in Brawl but is buffed and more powerful across the board, and it feels great. Final Cutter has been nerfed a bit however, with the shockwave having less distance than ever. Stone feels like it comes out faster and is still strong. Ultra Sword, his new Final Smash, is awesome and the initiating attack is fairly easy to catch opponents with
Zelda - Feels pretty similar to Brawl but seems to be slightly slower (argh) and Din's Fire has been nerfed heavily (double argh) in that it's less maneuverable and has a smaller hitbox upon detonation. Lightning Kick seems to have a slightly bigger sweet spot though, not too much else I can say
Mario - Generally feels similar to Brawl but stronger and more effective across the board. It's not HUGELY noticeable, but Mario players in Brawl will be able to pick him up and be more dangerous/effective with them than before
Sonic - God, I'm so bad with him. But that's a fault of my play style than Sonic himself; he's definitely been buffed, with his smashes having far more KO power than before (thankfully)
GENERAL 3DS AND SMASH RUN IMPRESSIONS
I said this in my E3 impressions too but it seemed to go largely ignored (plus I was banned almost right after I posted them, which probably didn't help haha), but here goes again: Anyone calling this the "inferior," "rushed," or "garbage" version is wrong, straight up. It's great and as good as a fully-featured Smash game on 3DS could be expected to be. It's simply different. Of COURSE the Wii U version is the key or main version for most of us, including myself, but that doesn't make the 3DS version throwaway or forgettable in any way. It's honestly very fun and plays well once you get past the one main considerable of getting used to playing Smash with the 3DS's button layout. The 3DS itself is not physically ideal in the least, I'll totally give you that, but once it "clicks" you'll find yourself having a grand time. Will it ever replace the experience of playing the Wii U version with a GCN controller? Of course not, but don't sleep on the 3DS version because of that. It's great in its own right and I can see myself playing it alongside the WIi U version at home and not feeling like I'm "settling" or whatever when I can "only" play that version on the go.
It also helps that it really just looks fabulous on either model of 3DS. I actually got to see and play it for the first time yesterday on the OG 3DS, and god DAMN it looks great on the OG 3DS's higher-pixel density screen... and for those of us who actually like the stereoscopic 3D (such as myself), Smash's 3D effects really pop and look great except for the occasional distortion with scrolling ground at the bottom of the screen (such as in the Spirit Tracks stage), and with the Nintendogs AT.
And Smash Run is just damn fun. Each game really does feel like a new experience where anything you could happen and you never know who or what you'll see in terms of enemies and hazards (which, to be fair, will probably wear off over time as the game's content is cracked open for all to see), and I can see myself playing this very often and not at all just ignoring it in favor or regular multiplayer Smash. Based on my (many) sessions of Smash Run, I feel like it's especially going to be a *riot* when playing multiplayer with friends in the same room.
So yep, there it is. I hope people really take these impressions to heart, especially detractors of the 3DS version! In no way will it ever stand in for or compare to the core experience of the Wii U version, certainly, but it doesn't have to. It's different, not "worse." Just an alternative but still fully faithful, enjoyable Smash experience to have on the go that, to me at least, doesn't make you feel like you're settling.
Anyone have any more specific questions? If so, I'll do my best to answer, but as I'm working the UDON Entertainment booth all five days of SDCC, it might be awhile before I answer!
I am, thanks! Sadly I'm here as an exhibitor (like usual), so unlike E3, my time to play Smash will be very limited. Beyond my time yesterday at Nintendo's exhibit hall floor (which only has the 3DS version), I'll probably not be able to play any of Thursday or Friday, but will likely get a little time to play the Wii U version (and maybe more 3DS) in the Nintendo Gaming Lounge at the Marriott on Saturday and/or Sunday... probably a combined two hours at the most, though, including waiting in line.
Thanks!
I was wondering about that too.Best pic:
So why is there fire below Falcon in this pic:
Did they add some fire to his Up B?
The pose looks like his ground side b hitting, but that doesn't make any sense. Has to be part of the up b ending.
OmegaSmash
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Great analysis.
Were the OG 3DS controls comfortable, and could you see yourself playing it for hours without much pain? I'm worried about my hands getting too sore to play much more then an hour or so.
Hero Prinny
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Hey guys, so what happened to that bandana waddledee and meta knight trailer that the one leaker everyone was talking about yesterday said we'd see at SDCC? Did it turn out to be fake(which I'm completely leaning towards) or is there still a chance its true? I have no idea when SDCC is btw
JediLink
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It'd probably be wise to wait until SDCC is totally over before declaring bullshit. SDCC is July 24-27.
SDCC is from the 24th to the 27th, but it's almost certainly fake anyway.
Hero Prinny
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Ah OK. Well that's not too bad. Leak has a very early expiration date then. Personally I hope its true but like I said before, I think its completely fake. BTW did that leak say anything about mewtwo?
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Thanks for very detailed informations.
Geminosity
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Gotta load fast! :3Looks like sakurai added some much needed blast processing.
Awww... I was hoping we'd end up with something more humorous and less cynical
Starphoenix
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Kind of interesting we see Green Hill Zone on the 3DS considering Sakurai said it'd be too difficult to import the Brawl stages onto the 3DS. Unless this is a built-from-the-ground-up version of Green Hill and not necessarily a port -- a successor stage ala Mushroom Kingdom II.
Do you have the source for this? I believe you, I just never read it before.
Starphoenix
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It was in one of his early interviews, give me a minute or two to find it.
balladofwindfishes
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I'm shy too, I'll be wearing a Mio shirt (K-ON) so feel free to say hello if you spot me >_>
PadWarrior
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Maybe his side b has been altered to get more vertical reach if it connects?
Awwww, Lucina's jealous
Maybe his side b has been altered to get more vertical reach if it connects?
Have we seen this little guy before?
He's featured in Pac-Man's page.
Pac-Man's "series" seems to encompass all of Namco's arcade history, which kind of makes sense given some of his later games.
He really worked out after he fell from grace in brawl.
Baron von Loathsome
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RIP BKupa666. I hardly knew ye.
Speaking of Smashboards, apparently a few of their mods will be getting their hands on the 3DS version before the Japanese launch, so there will definitely be some legit leaks coming from those guys.
That's a lie, I've known him for years, but didn't expect to him to say anything as extreme as that.
Speaking of Smashboards, apparently a few of their mods will be getting their hands on the 3DS version before the Japanese launch, so there will definitely be some legit leaks coming from those guys.
PadWarrior
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I know dude is huge!
He looks way too high in the air for that though. To go upward like that, he'd normally have to connect with it on the ground; and normally that would put Link above him.
PadWarrior
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What happened with Kupa?
Baron von Loathsome
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Kupa got permabanned from GAF last night for this post, in a conversation about Dixie Kong and King K. Rool:
Lewd.
JStein0222
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Love all these collision pics
PadWarrior
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What is huge?
His muscles lol. Sorry should have clarified lol.
OH wow!
It's the biceps isn't it? LOL.
The new pistol isn't the only heat he's packing.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
That's interesting.
PadWarrior
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LOL wow
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