I'm not saying there is any proof that Hamas is firing rockets from UN shelters or anything, but responding to "shoddy journalism" with a UNRWA press release makes you look silly.
UN Shelter in Gaza is hit by Israeli rocket fire leaving several people dead/injured
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I'm not saying there is any proof that Hamas is firing rockets from UN shelters or anything, but responding to "shoddy journalism" with a UNRWA press release makes you look silly.
I see that I was wrong then. Oh well.
Maninthemirror
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What would the Israeli Argument be if a Hamas rocket hits an armored Israeli truck with Israeli civilians standing next to it?
Hamas are terrorists, that is exactly what they want to do...
Maninthemirror
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oh boy...
Yes anything is possible if you accept everything the IDF tells you...
Yup, all Hamas' fault.
Just because the UN lacks teeth doesn't mean there's no such thing as international laws.
Maninthemirror
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IDF is a state sponsored terrorism entity by targetting hamas while not caring about civilians. sure they could wipe out gaza strip but that would be too obvious so what do they do? find a supposed hamas target or a perceived hamas target. ignore civilians around it and pull the trigger. any moral argument would go against pulling the trigger at that point but IDF does because it does not care about Palestinian lives it cares about killing off hamas even if it takes innocent lives. that is the argument here and that is why they are committing war crimes!
It's everyone's fault.
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That's right. People should be killed for voting. Especially when they are under siege and under occupation while their houses are bulldozed and their land illegally inhabited by the occupiers.
There is such a thing as international law. Ask Karadzic.
In this case Israel's daddy is just too strong to be made to comply.
Voting has consequences. Voting in Hamas has extremely severe consequences. Note I never said I agree with what is going on, just stating a fact.
Maninthemirror
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that is EXACTLY the argument Osama Bin Laden used when he attacked US at 9/11
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Including the civilians who participated in a democratic election with an outcome Israel didn't like?
The UN said there is a strong possibility that Israel is committing war crimes. I mean we all know that already but its encouraging to finally see international opinion bearing down on the aparthied state. Exact coordinates were given to the israeli military as to the location of this school so there can be actually no doubt that Israel doesn't give a shit who gets killed in their campaign.
Omegasquash
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This sort of makes me feel sick to my stomach.
That's a rather warped fact.
No there is international law, countries are routinely punished for violations of it (see Syria, see Libya, see Afghanistan) The UN does a reasonable job of it, however the US with it's security council veto routinely stops any punishment for one particular country.
The fact that Israel does not give a shit about International law when it is not in their best interest, does not mean there is no such thing as international law.
Um, occam's razor would be the best tool here.
I think IDF don't consider the civilian toll because they claim their conscience is clean because of the warnings before bombing. However, I don't believe there is an active genocidal agenda within the israeli government, that is only stopped because of PR issues.
Yep. Unfortunately for him the world judged him as a rogue terrorist and now he's a corpse.
This issue isn't as cut and dry to most of the world it seems. Probably because at the end of the day neither side is truly innocent.
And of course that does not take anything away from the bloodshed that is going on. Someday clear heads need to prevail and the two state solution has to become a reality.
Using a tank to attack a known UN shelter is the IDF's fault.
Maninthemirror
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Its not genocide yet but it is ethnic cleansing.
I mean, the kids getting killed by IDF shelling are probably innocent.
Electing people who actively advocate religiously motivated violence as a mean to political speech? Voters don't deserve violence, but they deserve their government.
I am sorry, but the people of Palestine get my sympathy despite their points of view, where they are religious fanatics who have a favorable opinion of 9/11.
Yeah, it does seem like it. Israel seems to want to wait it out, make it shitty to a point where they chase the Palestinians out.
In this one particular incident of course the IDF is guilty. I of course was referring to the conflict as a whole.
Of course it is.
Do you even know what Hamas did for the Palestinian beside the image that the outside world is painting? Do you know why the people chose to elect them?
Not like they haven't knowingly murdered UN workers before.
Israelis ignored repeated warnings before killing UN observers - 16 pleas for firing to stop went unheeded
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/jul/27/syria.israel4
Obviously not, if you have to take such a tone.
Can you provide information on the legitimacy of the Hamas government, vis a vis their governance and strategies?
The Israeli people voted for a government that have senior members advocating for ethnic cleansing. Does that mean Hamas' attacks are justified?
Does Hamas recognize Israel and will they accept a two state solution?
I'm also referring to that.
Hamas are desperate idiots who don't know what else to do. They're not innocent. The IDF and Israeli government are hardliner fuckheads who want to send a very specific message to Palestinians and the rest of the world.
The kids and Civilians caught in between these two groups have done nothing by be oppressed and slowly starved of freedom and opportunity. It's a fertile garden to grow future Hamas members.
Hamas disguised themselves as UN workers!
Hamas does not recognize the legitimacy of Israel but is open to settling the conflict with the two state solution, using the 1967 borders and
- Withdrawal of Israeli tanks from the Gaza border.
- Freeing all the prisoners that were arrested after the killing of the three youths. (Most of those people were in the west bank and detained because reasons during the hysteria, theycan be held indefinitely without trial, even though there is no proof that Hamas had anything to do with the three teens)
- Lifting the siege and opening the border crossings to commerce and people.
- Establishing an international seaport and airport which would be under U.N. supervision.
- Increasing the permitted fishing zone to 10 kilometers.
- Internationalizing the Rafah Crossing and placing it under the supervision of the U.N. and some Arab nations.
- International forces on the borders.
- Easing conditions for permits to pray at the Al Aqsa Mosque.
- Prohibition on Israeli interference in the reconciliation agreement.
- Reestablishing an industrial zone and improvements in further economic development in the Gaza Strip.
I'm talking about why the Palestinians chose for Hamas and why they were popular among the Palestinian people. An outsider might think it's only because they fight Israel and the Oppression (if the outsider even recognizes the Oppression).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
And whenever Hamas fires rockets haphazardly towards civilian areas, it's always "But they're being oppressed, so what else do you expect them to do?"
People who are invested in either side are so delusively self-righteous that they don't realize how hypocritical they are being.
Can't leave.
You are a very wise man.
This is what I dont get
Wasnt their supposed to be a ground invasion?
If they got intel saying their are missiles in this area or others, sent in soldiers to take care of that.
Dont fly by dropping missiles on Kids at a UN school, stuff like this doesnt bring peace
it just adds more fuel to this never ending fiasco in the middle east.
Also dont say it was Palestine rockets just admit you targeted this area dont lie about it,
change the approach, sent in soldiers dont fly by dropping missiles on 6 year olds.
Wasnt their supposed to be a ground invasion?
If they got intel saying their are missiles in this area or others, sent in soldiers to take care of that.
Dont fly by dropping missiles on Kids at a UN school, stuff like this doesnt bring peace
it just adds more fuel to this never ending fiasco in the middle east.
Also dont say it was Palestine rockets just admit you targeted this area dont lie about it,
change the approach, sent in soldiers dont fly by dropping missiles on 6 year olds.
Saying ~What do you expect them to do~ is not the same as condoning. Were you placed in a similar situation, and seeing how the good behavior of the west bank still results in Israel stealing Palestinian land, would you not lash out how you could against an overwhelming and seemingly inevitable foe that was slowly strangling you out and keeping you in a prison?
I mean, don't you doubt any of this information?
What kind of transparacy and credibility does the Abbas government have, when I arrests bloggers for "extending the tongue"?
The whole page on human rights in Palestine is horrible.
Dubbedinenglish
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Isreal tells Palestinians their homes are not safe. Civilians flee to hospitals, schools, Mosques, UN buildings. Isreal bombs hospitals, schools, Mosques and now UN buildings. Where are the people supposed to go to be safe?
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