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[Maninthemirror]

sorry it was 2007 when ulmert was prime minister and barak was the defense minister, stop forcing 2000, thats was not discussed by me.

wikipedia: on Annapolis peace talks
"During the talks, Olmert agreed that Israel would share Jerusalem as the joint capital of Israel and a Palestinian state and hand over its holy sites to a multinational committee, land swaps that would allow Israel to keep its major settlement blocs in the West Bank, the construction of a tunnel connecting the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, and a demilitarized Palestinian state with an American-led international security force stationed on the Palestinian–Jordanian border. Both sides disagreed over how much land would be exchanged in the swaps, with Olmert demanding at least 5.9% of the West Bank and Abbas offering 1.9%"

Abbas said they were 2 months away form peace.

The annapolis agreement was derided by extremes of both sides.

 

[zer0blivion]

There was an interview today on Democracy Now! with two Israelis who have refused to serve in their country’s military reserves.

Decrying "Brutal Operation Taking Place in Our Name," Israeli Military Reservists Refuse to Serve
http://www.democracynow.org/2014/7/24/amidst_brutal_operation_in_our_name

YONATAN SHAPIRA: And I think that if I have to give one allegory to this whole thing, and this need of Israel and me, myself, of self-protection—legitimate thing, by the way; I want to be safe, I don’t want anyone to bomb me and to kill me and my baby—I would imagine it as gang rape. And forgive me for using this hard language, but when you have a group of people raping someone, and this person that is being raped starting to scratch, the first thing you want to do in order to stop the scratches is to stop the rape. And what Israel, official Israel, is trying to do is to continue the rape and deal with the scratches. And I say, stop the rape, stop the occupation, stop the apartheid, stop this inhumane ghettoization of Palestinians, and then—then—we can start talking, and we can reach peace agreements and all these beautiful words that now don’t mean anything for us.

Much respect to those Israelis who have the courage to speak out and refuse to be complicit with their government's actions.

 

[TheRealTalker]

There was an interview today on Democracy Now! with two Israelis who have refused to serve in their country’s military reserves.

Decrying "Brutal Operation Taking Place in Our Name," Israeli Military Reservists Refuse to Serve
http://www.democracynow.org/2014/7/24/amidst_brutal_operation_in_our_name



Much respect to those Israelis who have the courage to speak out and refuse to be complicit with their government's actions.

There where also some Israeli's protesting against the Gaza invasion at Tel Aviv a few days ago

glad to see them stand up

 

[maharg]

Alaska and the United States is a pretty good example of a non-contiguous nation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_enclaves_and_exclaves#Exclaves_which_are_not_enclaves

 

[Dai101]

There was an interview today on Democracy Now! with two Israelis who have refused to serve in their country’s military reserves.

Decrying "Brutal Operation Taking Place in Our Name," Israeli Military Reservists Refuse to Serve
http://www.democracynow.org/2014/7/24/amidst_brutal_operation_in_our_name



Much respect to those Israelis who have the courage to speak out and refuse to be complicit with their government's actions.

All my simpathy to them.

 

[KingK]

Ehud barak was the pm from 1999 to 2001, Ulmert did nothing on significance even close to 2000 Camp David which is probably the closest to a peace deal we will probably ever get

Yep, Barak's concessions at Camp David 2000 is possibly the only instance of Israel seeming to be genuinely interested in a real peace deal to me. I think Arafat made a terrible mistake walking away from it. There are factions in Israel who genuinely want peace, but they're overpowered by the right wing radicals in the country far too often, especially ever since the failure of Camp David.

 

[thespot84]

The annapolis agreement was derided by extremes of both sides.

and you seem to have arrived at the problem an a very small nutshell

 

[Buzzati]

Agreed, this conversation is pointless. You want to ignore the fact that Hamas is a terrorist organization.

Do you suffer from sharp bouts of cognitive dissonance or are you just walking around the planet in a haze?

 

[werks]

Repost from the other thread.

OR

I wonder who I should believe

http://www.idfblog.com/blog/2014/07/24/hamas/

In recent days, Hamas has fired rockets from an area of Beit Hanoun where an UNRWA shelter is located. Last night, the Israel Defense Forces told the Red Cross to evacuate civilians from UNRWA’s shelter in Beit Hanoun between the hours of 10 a.m. and 2 p.m. today. UNRWA and the Red Cross received the message.

Hamas prevented civilians from evacuating the area during the window that the IDF gave them.

Today, July 24, Hamas continued firing from Beit Hanoun. The IDF responded by targeting the source of the fire. Also today, several rockets launched from Gaza toward Israel fell short and hit Beit Hanoun.

So according to the IDF, civilians could evacuate from 10 AM to 2 PM. Hamas prevented the evacuation. IDF and Hamas fired at each other and something happened.

One slight fucking problem. The IDF attack on the shelter happened at 9:45 AM. and UNRWA clearly states that the IDF prevented evacuation. If we believe that the IDF told them to evacuate at 10 AM, it makes it even worse. It means the IDF deliberately attacked before civilians could evacuate.

And for those that are questioning the fact that IDF has attacked the shelter.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Facts

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Facts

Did a spokesperson really say there isn't a blockade? It's pretty common knowledge, seems like an odd thing to claim.

 

[Zaph]

Did a spokesperson really say there isn't a blockade? It's pretty common knowledge, seems like an odd thing to claim.

Wouldn't be surprised. Israel could say water isn't wet and their supporters in the US would believe it. They would probably even invite a dozen spokespeople to confirm it while only giving water 20 seconds to defend itself.

 

[LNBL]

Should have posted in this thread and not in the other one.

Ok. So if I am listening correctly. The Israeli Army has blocked off entry into Al - Aqsa mosque for the Palestinians. The Palestinians want to go pray there tonight, as it is a holy night in Ramadan. I'm reading some 70.000 protesters are on foot atm (Not confirmed) and I already saw some people being dragged away with severe injuries on live tv. Palestinians armed with stones and fireworks, which they are throwing to the side of the IDF.

 

[GSG Flash]

Not sure if you guys have heard about this app: www.buycott.com/

It's handy if you want to boycott products from Israel and/or Israeli settlements.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Wouldn't be surprised. Israel could say water isn't wet and their supporters in the US would believe it. They would probably even invite a dozen spokespeople to confirm it while only giving water 20 seconds to defend itself.

It does seem increasingly like this is the case. This is the first time I've really paid attention to US media during a conflict in Gaza, the level of propaganda and pro Israel slant on everything is shocking.

At least in the UK we have reporters calling spokespersons out on their claims, the US media in general seems to just stand there and give the spokesperson a platform from which to say whatever they want and then thank them for coming on.

 

[werks]

http://live.aljazeera.com/Event/Gaza_Blog/122497902

One killed, 55 injured in West Bank

 

[Maninthemirror]

http://live.aljazeera.com/Event/Gaza_Blog/122497902

One killed, 55 injured in West Bank

Uh oh, if West Bank begins. its going to be complete chaos. Hope not.

 

[phalestine]

Should have posted in this thread and not in the other one.

Ok. So if I am listening correctly. The Israeli Army has blocked off entry into Al - Aqsa mosque for the Palestinians. The Palestinians want to go pray there tonight, as it is a holy night in Ramadan. I'm reading some 70.000 protesters are on foot atm (Not confirmed) and I already saw some people being dragged away with severe injuries on live tv. Palestinians armed with stones and fireworks, which they are throwing to the side of the IDF.

Its always been hard to enter Jerusalem. Apparently this is the largest protest in decades

 

[Deleted member 231381]

If the fighting extends to the West bank, this will turn incredibly nasty.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

http://live.aljazeera.com/Event/Gaza_Blog/122497902

One killed, 55 injured in West Bank

Not to derail, but this video was very interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4He6ajWl14Q#

Had no idea Israeli's against the war were treated like that.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

If the fighting extends to the West bank, this will turn incredibly nasty.

How would the IDF justify the expansion to the West Bank? Hamas don't operate there as far as I know and it's been relatively peaceful there throughout what's happening in Gaza.

 

[LNBL]

This is crazy, i'm watching Palestinians running to cover while throwing rocks. 2 minutes later the same person gets dragged back being shot in his legs.

 

[Buzzati]

http://live.aljazeera.com/Event/Gaza_Blog/122497902

One killed, 55 injured in West Bank

...West Bank? Really?

 

[Deleted member 231381]

How would the IDF justify the expansion to the West Bank? Hamas don't operate there as far as I know and it's been relatively peaceful there throughout what's happening in Gaza.

based on what's happening now at the al-Aqsa.

 

[Bodacious]

Facts

Is there a similar graph for Gaza's border with Egypt? This was (obviously) pretty darned informative to me, something I didn't know. Just wondering if Gaza's being blockaded all around (i.e. by Egypt too)? 2007 was when Hamas took over Gaza, right?

 

[maharg]

How would the IDF justify the expansion to the West Bank? Hamas don't operate there as far as I know and it's been relatively peaceful there throughout what's happening in Gaza.

The IDF is responsible for security in most of the West Bank afaik, so if there are protests there (which, honestly, it would be absurd to expect there not to be), the IDF will be the ones facing them.

And these days even in places not under occupation, police forces are given a pretty long leash to stop protest activity. Let alone in the West Bank under military law.

Also, this whole thing started in the West Bank.

 

[Opto]

Not sure if you guys have heard about this app: www.buycott.com/

It's handy if you want to boycott products from Israel and/or Israeli settlements.

I'm going through the list and it shows a lot of international companies that just have franchises in Israel rather than being an Israel-based company. Like, Sodastream, yeah totally boycott that, but HP and Siemens? They just sell things to Israel as well as other countries. Not the best way to boycott something.

 

[Chariot]

West Bank, shit. The security council has to hurry the fuck up.

 

[zer0blivion]

West Bank, shit. The security council has to hurry the fuck up.

Hurry up and do what, exactly? The US has veto power in the security council.

 

[ZiZ]

What did Palestine look like in 1896?
http://youtu.be/1vaIK8wlAl0

A film footage of Palestine in 1896 was recently published online thanks to Lobster Films. It shows Palestinians of all faiths – Christians, Jews and Muslims – living side by side, and praying side by side. I transcribed the narration below.

15 years later, the cinema is taking its first steps. Cameramen employed by the Lumiere Brothers filming in Jerusalem’s station, provide the first moving pictures taken in Palestine. From now on, the camera’s a recording eye and what it records is this: A society much like that of Cairo, Damascus, or Beirut, in an Arab city much like any other.

By the end of the 19th century, Palestine has 500,000 inhabitants, of whom 30,000 live in Jerusalem. A veiled woman, a Sunni Muslim, one of the majority. An orthodox Jew. He too turns away from the camera. Here we have an Armenian pope. Each of the Christian denominations has its church here in the holy city. The holy places of the three religions are scattered across a few hundred square meters. The Great Mosque is close to Christ’s tomb. Further along at the foot of the wailing wall, a Jew is reciting a prayer. He is wearing a Turkish tarboush, and although he prays in Hebrew his everyday language is Arabic. Jews form half the population of Jerusalem, but in the country as a whole they make up less than 5% of the total. Christians account for 10% and Muslims 85%. All of them are subjects of the Sultan of Constantinople. There are no frontiers in the Ottoman Empire. There are administrative divisions in which, in this immense territory, Palestine occupies a mere 27,000 square kilometers, made up of three small districts, in the south of the province of Damascus.

According to the Electronic Intifada’s Jalal Abukhater, the film was recovered in Paris, February 2007.

http://hummusforthought.com/2014/02/11/what-did-palestine-look-like-in-1896/

 

[Chariot]

Hurry up and do what, exactly? The US has veto power in the security council.

They did decide to send investigators down there, even without the US's approval, yes? That is something at least. We only have to help and buzz about the issue, so the american people are swayed to protest too and pressure their politicans.

 

[speculawyer]

I just want to dump this Get Your War On comic here too.

Dark comedy helps me.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

based on what's happening now at the al-Aqsa.

The IDF is responsible for security in most of the West Bank afaik, so if there are protests there (which, honestly, it would be absurd to expect there not to be), the IDF will be the ones facing them.

And these days even in places not under occupation, police forces are given a pretty long leash to stop protest activity. Let alone in the West Bank under military law.

Also, this whole thing started in the West Bank.

Ah, okay. Thanks for the replies.

Here's hoping it settles down.

 

[GSG Flash]

I'm going through the list and it shows a lot of international companies that just have franchises in Israel rather than being an Israel-based company. Like, Sodastream, yeah totally boycott that, but HP and Siemens? They just sell things to Israel as well as other countries. Not the best way to boycott something.

The products that are flagged depend on the cause you join, if you join just the Israeli settlement cause, for example, it'll only flag products that come from Israeli settlements. Plus, the app gives you an explanation for why the product/company is flagged, so you can make your own decision regarding what and what not to buy.

 

[Kurdel]

I just want to dump this Get Your War On comic here too.

Dark comedy helps me.

Wow, love that comic.

 

[zer0blivion]

They did decide to send investigators down there, even without the US's approval, yes? That is something at least. We only have to help and buzz about the issue, so the american people are swayed to protest too and pressure their politicans.

That was the UN Human Rights Council. Thankfully they do not have veto power there. Another GAFer has compiled a list of UNSC resolutions regarding Israel and Palestine that have been vetoed by the US: http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=122468521&postcount=145

 

[zeroOman]

Is there a similar graph for Gaza's border with Egypt? This was (obviously) pretty darned informative to me, something I didn't know. Just wondering if Gaza's being blockaded all around (i.e. by Egypt too)? 2007 was when Hamas took over Gaza, right?

yep cuz Mubarak was in good term with Israel

 

[Zen]

Should have posted in this thread and not in the other one.

Ok. So if I am listening correctly. The Israeli Army has blocked off entry into Al - Aqsa mosque for the Palestinians. The Palestinians want to go pray there tonight, as it is a holy night in Ramadan. I'm reading some 70.000 protesters are on foot atm (Not confirmed) and I already saw some people being dragged away with severe injuries on live tv. Palestinians armed with stones and fireworks, which they are throwing to the side of the IDF.

I guess Israel wants some more excuses, utterly despicable

 

[Chariot]

That was the UN Human Rights Council. Thankfully they do not have veto power there. Another GAFer has compiled a list of UNSC resolutions regarding Israel and Palestine that have been vetoed by the US: http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=122468521&postcount=145

Ooooh. oh. Good, the States are scumbags in this issue (probably in some more).

 

[m.i.s.]

Noam Chomsky’s statement on Israel’s aggression in Gaza:

“The incursion and bombardment of Gaza is not about destroying Hamas. It is not about stopping rocket fire into Israel, it is not about achieving peace.

The Israeli decision to rain death and destruction on Gaza, to use lethal weapons of the modern battlefield on a largely defenseless civilian population, is the final phase in a decades-long campaign to ethnically-cleanse Palestinians.

Israel uses sophisticated attack jets and naval vessels to bomb densely-crowded refugee camps, schools, apartment blocks, mosques, and slums to attack a population that has no air force, no air defense, no navy, no heavy weapons, no artillery units, no mechanized armor, no command in control, no army… and calls it a war. It is not a war, it is murder.

When Israelis in the occupied territories now claim that they have to defend themselves, they are defending themselves in the sense that any military occupier has to defend itself against the population they are crushing. You can’t defend yourself when you’re militarily occupying someone else’s land. That’s not defense. Call it what you like, it’s not defense.

 

[LNBL]

Holy shit, they admit it!

An Israeli military spokesman says the Israeli Defence Force (IDF) should have been able to tell that four boys it killed on a Gaza beach last week were not Hamas operatives.

The four boys from the one extended family - Zacaria, Aahed Bakr Jr, Mohammed and Ismail - were killed by a rocket strike while they played.

"The IDF had a target, a Hamas terrorist target," Lieutenant Colonel Peter Lerner told the ABC's 7.30 program.

"We had intelligence pointing specifically to that location and we had the indication that the perpetrators were on the beach. We had a specific target indicating that they were supposed to be there.

"We had visual surveillance, clearly, to an extent that we should have been able to determine who was on the beach."

Lt Col Lerner did not provide detail about how long the boys were being observed or by what method.

"We need to determine what happened between the gathering of the intelligence and what happened that caused this unfortunate human tragedy," he said.

While the Israeli military continues its official investigation, the extended family of the four boys is devastated.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/2453357...gaza-children-not-hamas-members-colonel-says/

Update: 2 deaths and 500 injuries in Westbank clash so far

 

[Linkhero1]

Holy shit, they admit it!



https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/2453357...gaza-children-not-hamas-members-colonel-says/

Update: 2 deaths and 500 injuries in Westbank clash so far

Not surprised by their actions, but I am a bit surprised there was some admittance. I can't believe apologists dismissed that as a possible mistake.

 

[dude]

Live feed from Kalandia:

http://www.almayadeen.net/live

EDIT: Where did the 500 number come from? Our local activist networks estimate 85 injured, and 2 dead.

 

[elhav]

How would the IDF justify the expansion to the West Bank? Hamas don't operate there as far as I know and it's been relatively peaceful there throughout what's happening in Gaza.

Before Homat magen, indeed, Hamas could enter Israel and sneak weapons and bombs via the west bank. After Homat magen, a lot of areas in the west bank were occupied to stop the bombings and stop the weapons from getting there. Since then the suicide bombings stopped, and Hamas' only other option was, you guessed it, rockets.

on a different note, did you know the tunnels the Hamas built contained sedatives and IDF uniforms inside? The exits of the tunnels were placed beneath kindergardens and in the middle of towns, and were made to make several big bombings and shootings at one time, close to the end of this year.
Again we can see Hamas' desire to kill innocents insteand of soldiers, where their main targets with these tunnels were schools and centers of cities, to execute massive terrorist acts.

If people here still think Hamas is in any way willing to have peace talks, it's simply not true.

Hamas proved it again and again, and in fact was the main group to carry out suicide bombings in the second intifadda, as opposed to the Fatah which is much more likely to negotiate and have talks of peace.

As you can imagine, building these tunnels costs millions, and you would have thought the Hamas would actually want to help their citizens with all that money , instead of throwing it on tunnels and weaponary, who's sole purpose was to kill citizens. Not soldiers, not policemen, but citizens and innocents.

It's becoming more and more accepted by the world that Hamas and the Jihad should be taken down and finished, but that cannot be achieved if the IDF would not go into gaza.

And yes, Hamas is both locating bombs and weaponary in key buildings like hospitals and kindergardens, but also encourages citizens to stand on rooftops and not leave when Israel warns them as evidenced here in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ6S0-o3uFI#t=62

Here is an article that explains the situation:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/07/10/hamas-is-using-civilians-as-human-shields-but-its-latest-directive-is-the-most-shocking/
And again, I think it's important to seperate Hamas and Jihad from Palestine.

The palestinian people, though choosing Hamas in free elections, are not Hamas, and Hamas does not represent them.

To say that Hamas is doing what it's doing because of Israel's occupation is simply silly. Hamas' sole purpose to begin with, was to send martyrs and kill jews to free Israel, not to be a democratic or peaceful government in any shape or form. Understaing this allows people to understand why Israel does what it does.

Yes, children die, yes innocents die, and no most of us Israeli are not happy about it one bit.

What we are happy about is to see Hamas fall. We are happy to see IDF is trying to eliminate them once and for all. You could say that Israel is killing innocents for no reason, but while Israel is not free from mistakes, you need to see how much of the so called slaughter that people blame Israel of occurs.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/24/5-ways-Hamas-kills-children

This article explains greatly how Hamas creates an enviornment in which children and innocents are being hurt, not to mention the fact Hamas outright admit they encourage citiznes to not listen to IDF's warnings. Adding all these things up can help some people understand why terrible things have happened in Gaza, and why so many innocents die.
It's also worth mentioning that the Jihad with the Hamas, create "summer camps" that involve aroung military training and poisioning the minds of children. Read it in the article below:
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/iw/originals/2013/06/gaza-summer-camps-children-islamic-jihad.html

You could say I am an Israel apologist and that I'm defending Israel no matter what, because I'm an Israeli myself, but I always offer proofs to validate what I say.

 

[werks]

Before Homat magen, indeed, Hamas could enter Israel and sneak weapons and bombs via the west bank. After Homat magen, a lot of areas in the west bank were occupied to stop the bombings and stop the weapons from getting there. Since then the suicide bombings stopped, and Hamas' only other option was, you guessed it, rockets.

on a different note, did you know the tunnels the Hamas built contained sedatives and IDF uniforms inside? The exits of the tunnels were placed beneath kindergardens and in the middle of towns, and were made to make several big bombings and shootings at one time, close to the end of this year.
Again we can see Hamas' desire to kill innocents insteand of soldiers, where their main targets with these tunnels were schools and centers of cities, to execute massive terrorist acts.

If people here still think Hamas is in any way willing to have peace talks, it's simply not true.

Hamas proved it again and again, and in fact was the main group to carry out suicide bombings in the second intifadda, as opposed to the Fatah which is much more likely to negotiate and have talks of peace.

As you can imagine, building these tunnels costs millions, and you would have thought the Hamas would actually want to help their citizens with all that money , instead of throwing it on tunnels and weaponary, who's sole purpose was to kill citizens. Not soldiers, not policemen, but citizens and innocents.

It's becoming more and more accepted by the world that Hamas and the Jihad should be taken down and finished, but that cannot be achieved if the IDF would not go into gaza.

And yes, Hamas is both locating bombs and weaponary in key buildings like hospitals and kindergardens, but also encourages citizens to stand on rooftops and not leave when Israel warns them as evidenced here in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ6S0-o3uFI#t=62

Here is an article that explains the situation:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/07/10/hamas-is-using-civilians-as-human-shields-but-its-latest-directive-is-the-most-shocking/
And again, I think it's important to seperate Hamas and Jihad from Palestine.

The palestinian people, though choosing Hamas in free elections, are not Hamas, and Hamas does not represent them.

To say that Hamas is doing what it's doing because of Israel's occupation is simply silly. Hamas' sole purpose to begin with, was to send martyrs and kill jews to free Israel, not to be a democratic or peaceful government in any shape or form. Understaing this allows people to understand why Israel does what it does.

Yes, children die, yes innocents die, and no most of us Israeli are not happy about it one bit.

What we are happy about is to see Hamas fall. We are happy to see IDF is trying to eliminate them once and for all. You could say that Israel is killing innocents for no reason, but while Israel is not free from mistakes, you need to see how much of the so called slaughter that people blame Israel of occurs.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/24/5-ways-Hamas-kills-children

This article explains greatly how Hamas creates an enviornment in which children and innocents are being hurt, not to mention the fact Hamas outright admit they encourage citiznes to not listen to IDF's warnings. Adding all these things up can help some people understand why terrible things have happened in Gaza, and why so many innocents die.
It's also worth mentioning that the Jihad with the Hamas, create "summer camps" that involve aroung military training and poisioning the minds of children. Read it in the article below:
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/iw/originals/2013/06/gaza-summer-camps-children-islamic-jihad.html

You could say I am and Israel apologist and that I'm defending Israel no matter what, because I'm an Israeli myself, but I always offer proofs to validate what I say.

Israel attacked an UN Shelter full of civilians, we heard IDF propaganda all day until the truth finally came out.

BTW you are using theblaze and breitbart to justify your positions... while independent human right organization call bullshit on the human shield claims.

 

[werks]

There is zero proof that Hamas uses people as Human shields.During and following the last round of violence there were twenty two investigations into the claim of Human Shield usage by Hamas.

Every report without fail either came to the conclusion that Hamas does not use Human shields or that there is no proof of them employing this tactic.

Here is one such report you can read from Amnesty international.

Amnesty international: 22 days of Death and Destruction: There is no evidence that Hamas engaged in Human shielding.
http://www.icawc.net/fonds/02_07_09_gaza_report.pdf

Human Rights Watch, on Israel’s Conduct



http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/15/israelpalestine-unlawful-israeli-airstrikes-kill-civilians



Israel Deliberately disproportionate attack designed to punish, humiliate and terrorize a civilian population, radically diminish ... There were numerous instances of deliberate attacks on civilians and civilian objects
~ United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict The GoldStone Report
The Gold Stone Report
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2009/09/15/UNFFMGCReport.pdf

Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch (16. juli, 2014):






So then on the subject of confirmed war crimes and conduct



http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=122341945&postcount=2823

I am legitimately not being cheeky when I say I hope you will actually reply to this, I do not say that out of malice or patting myself on the back, I just think having responsive communication between people on each side pof the issue is pretty important. I still need to go through that collection of Israel news that someone posted a few pages back, the one where he made the comment about the echo chamber.

elhav, quit reading theblaze and breitbart

 

[elhav]

elhav, quit reading theblaze and breitbart

Why? They provide proofs and sources that explain many things about this conflict.

 

[Nasym]

Israel is doing a dandy job in stopping the conflict and getting rid of hamas, lol. Kill more civilians equals what exactly? Win over Palestinas trust and maybe togheter you can stop hamas. Dont kill civilians and take their land. Wtf

 

[Buzzati]

To say that Hamas is doing what it's doing because of Israel's occupation is simply silly. Hamas' sole purpose to begin with, was to send martyrs and kill jews to free Israel, not to be a democratic or peaceful government in any shape or form. Understaing this allows people to understand why Israel does what it does.

You won't entertain the idea that since the dawn of man, every occupation has its resistance movement? These Jews seem to. This is not an issue of religion. Every occupation has its resistors.


Breitbart and theblaze. Keep drinking that kool-aid.

 

[Fenderputty]

Lol @ theblaze and breitbart.