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[SliceSabre]

I'm mixed on this. Shooting someone in the back is fucked up when they are clearly trying to get away from you.

Course on the other hand don't freaking rob people if you don't want to get shot at or possibly killed.

 

[Mariolee]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[Oersted]

Why do these stories always have "Only in America" written over them?

 

[dejay]

I feel the fact that they were there twice before and assaulted him might get a jury on his side, but I doubt it. Bit of a dickhead talking to the reporter about it too.

 

[Dreamgazer]

Shitty situation, but it's an 80 year old guy, who has been robbed by the same couple twice & has his collar bone broken in the process.

He's probably thinking that they'll keep coming back.

 

[GaimeGuy]

I'm mixed on this. Shooting someone in the back is fucked up when they are clearly trying to get away from you.

Course on the other hand don't freaking rob people if you don't want to get shot at or possibly killed.

He murdered her. How can you be mixed on this?

 

[Qasiel]

Looks like voluntary manslaughter to me. Not murder.

The couple shouldn't have tried robbing the guy, but the guy shouldn't have shot to kill. Icy old git.

 

[The Faceless Master]

What kinda person robs homes when she's pregnant though?

Either way, that old man is despicable and is off to jail.

the same type of person that robs a home when they're not pregnant?

 

[Bloodrage]

Btw the first link went down.

 

[Delta Assault]

You mess with a bull, you get the horns.

Edit: Oh wait, this was the third time they'd robbed him? Well shit...

Three strikes, you're out.

 

[BertramCooper]

Dont want to get shot? Dont fukin rob the guys house, its not like he shot without reason

Lets be honest here, the lives in question aren't worth very much. Not all life is valuable, especially when they willing invade a person's home to steal their possessions. This might have been an extreme reaction, but I won't be losing and sleep here unless an investigation shows something else happened to place blame on the home owner. Don't fucking break into peoples homes, it isn't hard.

It's easy to sit here and say point blank he shouldn't have shot her. But he was an old 80 year old man who just got jumped by two people, after that it would be very hard for anyone to not want to take some sort of action. You really aren't in your proper state of mind after being traumatized like that.

And why is a pregnant woman robbing and jumping 80 year old men? She wasn't thinking about her child's safety then but all of a sudden she wants sympathy when the tables are turned. I have no sympathy for her whatsoever.

Death is an appropriate punishment for robbery.

Got it.

 

[To Far Away Times]

Not sure how the law would apply here (it varies state by state, I believe), but my feeling is that the robbers created and escalated this situation, when you break in and enter someone's house while they're at home you've raised the stakes to the highest level. Whatever happens, happens.

 

[D4Danger]

says in the video this is the third time they robbed him so who knows maybe he was scared they'd come back or something. shooting someone in the back is cold though.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

I'm more mad at the girl. The fuck are you doing robbing someone while you're pregnant?

 

[Scully Scully Scoo]

Just to clarify, could you list the reasons for killing someone

Anyone caught in the act of doing some nasty shit, rapist, pedophiles, burglars, murderers etc.

So property is worth more than life now?

Life of 2 thieves who had robbed this guy twice already ? Yeh probably

 

[Sectorseven]

Appearing to evince no regret, Tom Greer told NBC4 Wednesday night that he shot the woman twice in the back as she was fleeing along a side street with a male accomplice.

“She says, ‘Don’t shoot me, I’m pregnant — I’m going to have a baby.’ And I shot her anyway,” Greer said. “The lady didn’t run as fast as the man so I shot her in the back twice, she’s dead ... but he got away.”

She said all that as she was running away, with her back to him? I'm just trying to envision the scenario.

 

[Mr.Wreckless]

won't we think of the poor traumatized guy who killed someone

Can you say for sure what you would do in that situation with your adrenaline pumping after you just got jumped and robbed by two people? You aren't in your normal state of mind at that moment.

 

[klausbert]

I just can't get the image out of my head now....A pregnant woman entering my room, while shouting "DONT HURT ME, I'M PREGNANT! PLEASE DON'T HURT MY CHILD!" all the time, going through my stuff and stealing what she likes.

 

[Xpike]

She was running away and no longer a threat? So it's just murder then, no self-defense at all.

 

[out0v0rder]

damn they robbed his ass two times previously, id be scared of them coming back again.

 

[SliceSabre]

He murdered her. How can you be mixed on this?

This would have never happened in the first place if she and her partner hadn't broken into his home and attacked him.

 

[sprsk]

Im sure the same people who cheer this guy are also staunch pro lifers. Oh the irony.

 

[Oldschoolgamer]

She's pregnant and out there pulling capers and putting the beats on people? smh.

Throw him behind bars. He went way to far. Shit is straight murder.

 

[TheDrizzlerJ11]

just because it's legal in some states doesn't make it morally right. she was wrong for breaking in, but i don't think death is the appropriate punishment for that.

I didn't say it was morally right. But if some1 breaks into some1s home they are risking getting shot. Punishing some1 for how they react to a home invasion is also a real shitty situation.

 

[Downhome]

Has it been confirmed that she was actually pregnant or is he just saying what she told him? It wouldn't shock me for a woman who just robbed someone to say that to the shooter in hopes that it would convince him to let her go.

I value human life, I really do, but I have a hard time feeling bad for anyone who is a blatant thief and something bad happens to them in the process of either committing the act or even while they are attempting to get away. Call it cold, I don't care, but I just can't feel too bad for them. You obviously shouldn't shoot someone in the back while they are getting away. They shouldn't have been there and put themselves in that position in the first place though.

 

[RSLAEV]

I just can't get the image out of my head now....A pregnant woman entering my room, while shouting "DONT HURT ME, I'M PREGNANT! PLEASE DON'T HURT MY CHILD!" all the time, going through my stuff and stealing what she likes.

Holy shit not your stuff! You poor dear.

 

[TimeEffect]

This was the third time they tried to rob him, and they tackled him to the ground trying to escape. Dude clearly had an adrenaline rush, and got real trigger happy.

 

[CountAntonius]

These threads are so divisive. So many black and white opinions.

 

[Brakke]

Can you say for sure what you would do in that situation with your adrenaline pumping after you just got jumped and robbed by two people? You aren't in your normal state of mind at that moment.

If only we had different--I don't know, "degrees"?--for murder charges to accommodate such a situation. If only we sentenced people differently depending on the circumstances, recognizing that not all crimes are the same?

 

[jediyoshi]

That's not the point. It doesn't matter if it's justified or not, it was an obvious high-risk situation that she voluntarily put herself in. Just because it was wrong to murder her doesn't mean she wasn't also incredibly stupid and partially at fault. Both sides can be wrong.

Of course it's the point, or did you not read the post I was quoting? What exactly are you drawing the distinction of my question at if it doesn't matter? Do you think I'm leaning towards a legal or moral bent with my original question here?

 

[Brianimaniac]

It's clear that a lot of people haven't read all the facts, especially regarding the prior incidents, but that's mostly the OP's fault for omitting that information and having a broken link.

 

[Mr-Joker]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

This pretty much, the girl shouldn't have been robbing the place and the dude shouldn't have shot her.

The only one that was innocent in this in the unborn child.

 

[Praise the Lorde]

Lets be honest here, the lives in question aren't worth very much. Not all life is valuable, especially when they willing invade a person's home to steal their possessions. This might have been an extreme reaction, but I won't be losing and sleep here unless an investigation shows something else happened to place blame on the home owner. Don't fucking break into peoples homes, it isn't hard.

Dont want to get shot? Dont fukin rob the guys house, its not like he shot without reason

Gonna have to agree with these posts. Although, I probably wouldn't have shot them if I was in this situation.

 

[Battersea Power Station]

How do people still risk B&E with gun ownership being so prominent in the US? If I was so desperate, like my children needed to eat or something and begging wasn't cutting it, I'd rob a bank with a note rather than risk being shot at someone's house.

 

[KarmaCow]

Thanks to all the people informing us that stealing is bad. Good to have that perspective on this situation of a person murdering someone as they pleaded for their life with no remorse.

 

[Never Forever]

Tom Greer told NBC4 Wednesday night that he shot the woman twice in the back as she was fleeing along a side street...

“She says, ‘Don’t shoot me, I’m pregnant — I’m going to have a baby.’ And I shot her anyway,” Greer said. “The lady didn’t run as fast as the man so I shot her in the back twice, she’s dead.”

She wasn't even on the property when she was murdered. I can see people defending some sort of heat-of-the-moment affair, but these are the actions of a psychopath. She was running away and could no longer be considered any sort of threat. She begged for her life and that of her unborn child, and he killed her anyway.

 

[Xav]

Dont want to get shot? Dont fukin rob the guys house, its not like he shot without reason

Can't really argue with the logic here. Play with fire and you might get burnt.

I'm not suggesting what the old man did was right but she certainly wasn't doing herself any favours from the get go.

... seriously, who the fuck decides to steal from others whilst pregnant?

 

[OmegaFax]

This reminds me of another story I was reading on NeoGAF not too long ago except in that instance, home owner had laid a trap out for two teenagers and got convicted of murder.

There's two problems overlapping ... a pattern of burglary and home owners preemptively taking action of some kind, usually with a gun.

The man in that video interview should have spoke to a lawyer before getting in front of a camera if he hadn't already. The no remorse, good Christian defense only goes so far, and the fact that he wanted to dispense a message of fear is borderline radical to the point of being a vigilante.

 

[Anteo]

I really dont feel bad for them. When you rob someone house anything can happen.

Cant read the article on the OP, but this one have some interesting things.

There was no immediate confirmation of the pregnancy, but the Los Angeles County coroner’s office planned to perform an autopsy on the woman today.

Long Beach police said they are investigating whether Greer should face charges for Tuesday night’s shooting in the 3900 block of Country Club Drive.

Even though the woman was running away, Greer said he regards what he did as self-defense. He said he arrived at home Tuesday night to find a couple in the middle of a late-night break-in.

“When I went in there, they tackled me,” Greer told NBC4. “Both of them jumped up on top of me.”

Greer’s home had been burglarized before, according to a neighbor. A person who did not want to be named said there was a history between the man and the two who allegedly broke into his home.

 

[clearacell]

Holy shit not your stuff! You poor dear.

It feels like some people haven't been robbed in their house before. It feels like you have been raped.

Anyways, I would never, no matter how desperate I get, I would never rob someones home because I imagine the scenario where I break into their house and take some stuff and then go down into the basement and turn in the lights...then I just see a bunch of mutilated bodies hanging from the ceiling by meat hooks...and the door locks behind me. Guess what? It's your own damn fault. Don't rob someone's home.

 

[Kayhan]

Basically in the US you have licence to kill anyone who robs your house even if they are no threat anymore and running away.

"You stole my ballpoint pen, I get to murder you 10 blocks away when you are at Starbucks"

Proportionate response, what that?

 

[Angelus Errare]

It's clear that a lot of people haven't read all the facts, especially regarding the prior incidents, but that's mostly the OP's fault for omitting that information and having a broken link.

Meh I've read the entire thing and still don't condone what he did.

 

[Mr.Wreckless]

If only we had different--I don't know, "degrees"?--for murder charges to accommodate such a situation. If only we sentenced people differently depending on the circumstances, recognizing that not all crimes are the same?

Find where I said he shouldn't be charged with anything at all.

 

[sprsk]

It feels like some people haven't been robbed in their house before. It feels like you have been raped.

Anyways, I would never, no matter how desperate I get, I would never rob someones home because I imagine the scenario where I break into their house and take some stuff and then go down into the basement and turn in the lights...then I just see a bunch of mutilated bodies hanging from the ceiling by meat hooks...and the door locks behind me. Guess what? It's your own damn fault. Don't rob someone's home.

Have you been raped before?

 

[TheContact]

Um...im not sure how to feel about this.

She didn't deserve it. Period. There's nothing to be conflicted about

 

[klausbert]

Holy shit not your stuff! You poor dear.

So you enjoy being robbed? I never knew about that fetish.

 

[RSLAEV]

Picture of the victim released:

Andrea Miller, 20 something years old.


http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...uder-Who-Said-She-Was-Pregnant-268507272.html

So you enjoy being robbed? I never knew about that fetish.

Dude, just shut up already.

 

[TimeEffect]

How do people still risk B&E with gun ownership being so prominent in the US? If I was so desperate, like my children needed to eat or something and being wasn't cutting it, I'd rob a bank with a note rather than risk being shot at someone's house.

This is the third time they robbed the same guy too. I imagine he was pretty pissed off, as he was constantly being made a target (and apparently he moved his cash safe after the first or second time his home was broken into)

That anger clearly built up, because if he had the girl pinned down at the third time, it seems he has a lot of built up anger to not even think twice

 

[Toxi]

Thanks to all the people informing us that stealing is bad. Good to have that perspective on this situation of a person murdering someone as they pleaded for their life with no remorse.

My country values property more than life. I'm not surprised to see so many people justifying shooting someone with "but they stole something first!"

 

[Delta Assault]

It feels like some people haven't been robbed in their house before. It feels like you have been raped.

Anyways, I would never, no matter how desperate I get, I would never rob someones home because I imagine the scenario where I break into their house and take some stuff and then go down into the basement and turn in the lights...then I just see a bunch of mutilated bodies hanging from the ceiling by meat hooks...and the door locks behind me. Guess what? It's your own damn fault. Don't rob someone's home.

You watched Wes Craven's "The People Under the Stairs" too, huh?