Pretty much this. DBZ had a lot of filler stories in it, and they were actually pretty funny and interesting. Actually getting to see the ten days before the Cell games made the actually Cell games far more impactful rather than (Ten days have passed, lets go fight Cell!)
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Pretty much this. DBZ had a lot of filler stories in it, and they were actually pretty funny and interesting. Actually getting to see the ten days before the Cell games made the actually Cell games far more impactful rather than (Ten days have passed, lets go fight Cell!)
Supermanisdead
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Well sometimes the filler is good, and sometimes it's shit. In Korra's case, that Tenzin at the air temple episode was shit filler. It didn't show us anything we didn't already know about Tenzin, Bumi, Jinorra or Kai. It came right after a cliffhanger that everyone wanted to see and it didn't show enough unique or original stuff to make the shift necessary. We KNOW Tenzin has issues teaching, we KNOW Bumi is a fuckup who talks too much, we KNOW Kai is a rebel, we KNOW Jinorra like Kai etc. etc.
So yes, it was filler and it was bad.
So yes, it was filler and it was bad.
LAUGHTREY
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You're just saying that because there hasn't been a payoff yet.
If we get to the end of the series and those air benders don't do anything, you'll be right.
But if they do show up and kick some ass, then it'll make sense as opposed to them just showing up fully trained out of no where, especially after they had such a hard time getting recruits. Besides the fact a lot of people want that gratification of the air nation finally being rebuilt in some capacity, they absolutely needed to show these guys and their trials and tribulations if they were going to have any impact on the story. Seeing as this wasn't hinted at in season 2 I'm guessing the pay off will be sometime near the end of this season.
It was Tenzin finally not being a bad teacher, it was Bumi accepting himself as an Air bender, and Jinora asking for her tattoos.
NHarmonic.
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So will the show be getting into some political issues here? Maybe the White lotus is not that pure after all? Seeing this "red lotus" group and the amount of knowledge Zaheer posseses and expresses makes me wonder if we're getting into something bigger...
Also the Earth Queen plot hasn't been completely "resolved" (and judging by
) and it could be connected to the hints of monarchy as something "archaic" that Su has delivered...
(The comparisons with Atla are getting tiresome, a show with 3 full seasons of 20 episodes each with a lot of time to develop characters and bonds between them, compared to a show with 12-13 Episodes per season where every minute counts and that can't afford anything outside of the main plot. A "tales of ba sing se" can't be done here though i'm pretty sure it could deliver. Sadly, there's no time for that)...
Also the Earth Queen plot hasn't been completely "resolved" (and judging by
the tiles of the last chapters, it'll be getting spotlight again
(The comparisons with Atla are getting tiresome, a show with 3 full seasons of 20 episodes each with a lot of time to develop characters and bonds between them, compared to a show with 12-13 Episodes per season where every minute counts and that can't afford anything outside of the main plot. A "tales of ba sing se" can't be done here though i'm pretty sure it could deliver. Sadly, there's no time for that)...
Infinite Justice
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the best interaction the group had was Korra and Bolin fucking around in season 1 and that was them just being goofballs, Mako and Bolin had a few but it was them being brothers.
every other time is either stilted or plain awkward (especially Mako since he's hanging with 2 ex-girlfriends).
also every time i see the words filler i usually think the "non canon" stuff parading around haha
every other time is either stilted or plain awkward (especially Mako since he's hanging with 2 ex-girlfriends).
also every time i see the words filler i usually think the "non canon" stuff parading around haha
Suyin probably met Aiwei at the sandbender commune she stayed at.
He had a desert urn at his house and based on the sneak peek-
She must have had a good reason for trusting him so much and probably wants to know why he would betray her family.
He had a desert urn at his house and based on the sneak peek-
Korra and co. track him to a desert town.
She must have had a good reason for trusting him so much and probably wants to know why he would betray her family.
Yeah that is what I was thinking too (based on the items in his house). This of course, will only strengthen the theory of those that think Suyin is working for Zaheer. When she was cast away from republic city, she fell into the wrong group in the desert (the early makings of Zaheer's group).
lol
Meelo says some pretty evil shit. I bet he's Zaheer's key sleeper agent.
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Admiral Woofington
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Meelo is going to grow up as a badass airbender focused on combat and probably will find a specialization to air bending. Like fuck it remove air from lungs.
Please, air pressure. He will move air around in a huge area, so people will get crushed by the almost vacuum.
Admiral Woofington
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They call him Meelo the mellow airbender. It's ironic because he'll fuck your shit up. I really do want a grown up Meelo kicking ass. Can't there be like a time bender who makes Meelo old and tenzin dead?
Admiral Woofington
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One badass recognizing another.
literally the same person./s
perhaps no game no life (but that one doesn't wrap up well and likely needs another season at some point)
I will go with Baccano! though, it told a good interesting story in 5 hours.
Angel beats likely would work..
Kids on the slope for sure fits... completely narrative driven and just a great story.
there are a few others that I would say fit as well from anime.... if you go outside of anime though I can't think of to much out there that does it well over 5 hours... mostly because the ones that could have done it well tend to be a lot longer.
Supermanisdead
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when meelo grows up he will invent time-bending and go back in time as a man named zaheer.
Admiral Woofington
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He makes the air particles vibrate and mutate which make a..... time vortex.. a-and a para... I got nothing
The Silver
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airbending special skill will be gravitybending
no I don't care that it makes no sense whatsoever
no I don't care that it makes no sense whatsoever
"Filler" as a derogatory term has been around long before or at least not because of anime. At least that's the impression I was under.
Sherlock.
Each episode is 90 minutes, 3 episodes per season, totaling 4.5 hours per season.
I think most people would agree that that show has flourished quite a bit.
Sure it's popular but there is quite a bit of criticism regarding its writing.
umop_3pisdn
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Buddhism has a system of using the elements to characterize phenomena. For example fire is either hot or cold, burning, electric, or acidic sensations; Earth is tactile and represents 'contact'; Water represents fluidity; and Air represents movement/stillness. I kind of like the idea of an evolution of air bending being a kind of stable/unstable vortice that's expressed as either 'stillness' or 'movement' (telekinesis? idk). It kind of goes with the void/emptiness theme that the Airbender religion has, and could explain how that one monk became 'weightless', also.
I always feel I am so late to these discussions. I don't know whether that's a good thing (because I get a chance to reflect on stuff) or bad thing (since I don't get to join in the discussion at it's most immediate).
Oh well.
The episode is mostly good. The action and strategy was really clever, on both ends.
There has been some debate, I see, over the utility of the rest of the Krew. I'll say this much: they're contributing more this season than they have any other. Mako has the detective skills down, and Bolin is a capable earthbender that pulls through when needed. They aren't 'special' in the same way that the rest of the Gaang were extraordinary pioneers in their respective arts, but I don't think you have to be special in that way to contribute. I think the bigger problem is that they are always following Korra's lead, rather than heading off on their own adventures based on their own personal agency. The reason they do what they do is because it is a Krew problem, not an individual problem of any kind. But whenever they do their own thing, it always either ties back into the main plot or is considered superfluous because of the small episode count. With the way Korra's story is told, it's kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. I would prefer that they develop their own specialized skills, because that would make them more unique, but barring that, this episode does a good job showing how even an ordinary bender can contribute when they are in the right time and place.
Suyin continues to baffle me. As of now, she is possibly the most accomplished person in the entire avatar series or atleast a top contender. And with how efficient, brilliant, and meticulous she is, she somehow missed the glaring and obvious potential danger that having a single judicial power that can operate without any burden of proof or oversight would pose? I mean, this didn't even have to take Mako's detective work to make it happen. Just have another truthteller, put them in seperate rooms, and have them interview the same person seperately. In fact, have more just to be extra sure. If they all have the same conclusion, then that means everyone is on the up and up. Otherwise....well, you get what happened. How does someone that smart make such a boneheaded mistake? The only explanation that actually makes sense is that she is evil, but really, I think the writers just not thinking it through.
And speaking of that incident, why did the Krew's IQ suddenly drop about 50 points when Aiwei came into the room? Okay, so you clearly suspect this guy, then you break into his house and you find out he has a secret room. Now, clearly something is up and your about to find out what....and then he comes in. What do you do? Feebly try to lie, then vaguely try to defuse a potential conflict by saying you think something is wrong, and we're not like accusing you of anything dude, but we were just, you know,....and they just go along with his manipulation. Yes, go ahead, have the probably poisoned tea. Let him go and to his secret lair and make good on his escape route.
Honestly, what were they thinking? They should have told him "we think something is up, and would like to question you." The reasoning is that they may have found something and need him in custody. If he resists, then he basically shows his true colors. If he accepts, as he would if he is innocent because Suyin would make sure the investigation is fair, then you can investigate the house at leisure and find the hidden doorway. Either would be better than letting take control of the room you know, if nothing else, for a fact is secretly designed to covert things of some nature.
Oh, and Korra, why didn't she go into the Avatar State when she couldn't metal bend her way through the wall? I know this isn't some huge important thing like beating children at a race, but it'd have helped, no?
Lastly, as for Suyin's decision to let them go....well, again, maybe she's just evil, but barring that....I guess I just think she has more faith in Korra's abilities as an avatar to deal with this threat. If that is the reasoning, I am siding with Suyin over Lin here. As free agents, they can move more discreetly and, like Korra intelligently (shock, I know) pointed out, they won't be any safer in Rep City if the Z-team has sleeper agents there. Besides that, the avatar isn't a child (well, she kind of is, but you know). She needs to deal with threats herself. Lin is obligated to help the avatar, not babysit her against her will. But if Suyin is sending Korra out to give Zaheer an opening....hm, that bodes badly.
*shrug* Personally, I regard it as very well written for the most part and so do a lot of people from what I've seen.
Oh well.
The episode is mostly good. The action and strategy was really clever, on both ends.
There has been some debate, I see, over the utility of the rest of the Krew. I'll say this much: they're contributing more this season than they have any other. Mako has the detective skills down, and Bolin is a capable earthbender that pulls through when needed. They aren't 'special' in the same way that the rest of the Gaang were extraordinary pioneers in their respective arts, but I don't think you have to be special in that way to contribute. I think the bigger problem is that they are always following Korra's lead, rather than heading off on their own adventures based on their own personal agency. The reason they do what they do is because it is a Krew problem, not an individual problem of any kind. But whenever they do their own thing, it always either ties back into the main plot or is considered superfluous because of the small episode count. With the way Korra's story is told, it's kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. I would prefer that they develop their own specialized skills, because that would make them more unique, but barring that, this episode does a good job showing how even an ordinary bender can contribute when they are in the right time and place.
Suyin continues to baffle me. As of now, she is possibly the most accomplished person in the entire avatar series or atleast a top contender. And with how efficient, brilliant, and meticulous she is, she somehow missed the glaring and obvious potential danger that having a single judicial power that can operate without any burden of proof or oversight would pose? I mean, this didn't even have to take Mako's detective work to make it happen. Just have another truthteller, put them in seperate rooms, and have them interview the same person seperately. In fact, have more just to be extra sure. If they all have the same conclusion, then that means everyone is on the up and up. Otherwise....well, you get what happened. How does someone that smart make such a boneheaded mistake? The only explanation that actually makes sense is that she is evil, but really, I think the writers just not thinking it through.
And speaking of that incident, why did the Krew's IQ suddenly drop about 50 points when Aiwei came into the room? Okay, so you clearly suspect this guy, then you break into his house and you find out he has a secret room. Now, clearly something is up and your about to find out what....and then he comes in. What do you do? Feebly try to lie, then vaguely try to defuse a potential conflict by saying you think something is wrong, and we're not like accusing you of anything dude, but we were just, you know,....and they just go along with his manipulation. Yes, go ahead, have the probably poisoned tea. Let him go and to his secret lair and make good on his escape route.
Honestly, what were they thinking? They should have told him "we think something is up, and would like to question you." The reasoning is that they may have found something and need him in custody. If he resists, then he basically shows his true colors. If he accepts, as he would if he is innocent because Suyin would make sure the investigation is fair, then you can investigate the house at leisure and find the hidden doorway. Either would be better than letting take control of the room you know, if nothing else, for a fact is secretly designed to covert things of some nature.
Oh, and Korra, why didn't she go into the Avatar State when she couldn't metal bend her way through the wall? I know this isn't some huge important thing like beating children at a race, but it'd have helped, no?
Lastly, as for Suyin's decision to let them go....well, again, maybe she's just evil, but barring that....I guess I just think she has more faith in Korra's abilities as an avatar to deal with this threat. If that is the reasoning, I am siding with Suyin over Lin here. As free agents, they can move more discreetly and, like Korra intelligently (shock, I know) pointed out, they won't be any safer in Rep City if the Z-team has sleeper agents there. Besides that, the avatar isn't a child (well, she kind of is, but you know). She needs to deal with threats herself. Lin is obligated to help the avatar, not babysit her against her will. But if Suyin is sending Korra out to give Zaheer an opening....hm, that bodes badly.
*shrug* Personally, I regard it as very well written for the most part and so do a lot of people from what I've seen.
There are entire blogs devoted to the problems in Sherlock's writing. In fact, The Legend of Korra's writing flaws pale in comparison to Sherlock's which are steeped in sexism, racism, homophobia, etc.
Admiral Woofington
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Honophobia? With all the sexual tension between sherlock and watson?
Um....I can't say I ever really noticed those problems, but this isn't really the place to talk about it. You can PM me about those if you like (though I'll be busy over the weekend, so I don't know when I'll get a chance to dig into them).
Yes, she can. She did in the first episode of this season.
My complaint about Aiwei, is the idea that this guy could be living in this city for x amount of years, being a citizen and making his life...but it just so happens to be that Zaheer is out and what he needs randomly stumbles into his town, and so he can finally help him.
However, the only way this works for me is if Zaheer belongs to some global organization.
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However, the only way this works for me is if Zaheer belongs to some global organization.
SPOILERS BELOW (I guess it's something Nick.com posted or something):
Supposedly, Zaheer belongs to something called the Red Lotus? Another Gaffer told me this, I hadn't seen the original spoiler. But assuming that is true, I guess it makes Aiwei's plot more plausible, seeing as the White Lotus are a global organization where those apart of it live their lives, but come together whenever the organization needs them (ie. just like the White Lotus).
If this is true, it does make it more plausible. Because he WAS living in the Metal City as a citizen, and enjoyed living there. But it was called upon him to act, when his organization needed something done. However, my questions that I hope are answered then are:
I. When was the Red Lotus created?
II. What is their fuckin motivation (obviously this will be answered).
III. If they were created a long time ago, why didn't they go after Aang? Roku?
IV. If they were created after Aang, then...uh why? Lol Aang stopped a massive scale war, and brought peace. Unless they are just an evil organization that wants chaos?
I also question why Zaheer is so important to the organization. Why couldn't they carry out their mission with him in jail? Why would they stop, just because one member is jailed. Even if he was a leader, still doesn't make that much sense.
If this is true, it does make it more plausible. Because he WAS living in the Metal City as a citizen, and enjoyed living there. But it was called upon him to act, when his organization needed something done. However, my questions that I hope are answered then are:
I. When was the Red Lotus created?
II. What is their fuckin motivation (obviously this will be answered).
III. If they were created a long time ago, why didn't they go after Aang? Roku?
IV. If they were created after Aang, then...uh why? Lol Aang stopped a massive scale war, and brought peace. Unless they are just an evil organization that wants chaos?
I also question why Zaheer is so important to the organization. Why couldn't they carry out their mission with him in jail? Why would they stop, just because one member is jailed. Even if he was a leader, still doesn't make that much sense.
So looks like episodes are going to be put up online at 12:00pm (noon) EST
Should be interesting how well their site handles the extra people next Friday
https://twitter.com/NickelodeonTV/status/493098187322703873
She goes into avatar state to try and get rid of the spirit vines
Should be interesting how well their site handles the extra people next Friday
http://korranation.tumblr.com/post/92951675574/lots-of-you-have-been-asking-what-time-newLots of you have been asking what time new episodes will be added to nick.com moving forward! Remaining Book 3 episodes will be added to nick.com on Fridays at 12:00pm (noon) EST. We will update with the link for this Fridays episode The Stakeout as soon as its live
https://twitter.com/NickelodeonTV/status/493098187322703873
She goes into avatar state to try and get rid of the spirit vines
It is essentially "gay baiting" aka "queer baiting". The characters and the writers repeatedly establish that they are heterosexual but put them in "gay" situations because it's funny(?). It's a cop out and it's insulting.
There are repeated articles about Sherlock's issues here.
And that's all I'll say about that.
m_shortpants
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So apparently Zelda Williams voiced one of the guards in Zaofu. Interesting tidbit.
Should we establish new spoiler rules for the new online only format? Say, tag all episode discussion for 24 hours from when the new episode goes online.
I'm going to really miss watching this live with the thread.
Man. That's so stupid.
I'm going to really miss watching this live with the thread.
Man. That's so stupid.
Astral Dog
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About that Korra game, its supposed to be between season 2 and 3, and there are equalist on it.
probably means nothing
The AS has been retconned to be something entirely different than what it was in TLA. It's partially why I don't like the Beginnings episodes that everyone raves about. Before, it was the culminated experience of every avatar before them. Now, it's just a super saiyan mode because some random human has a connection to a kite peace that will peacefully beat the shit out of you if you don't get in line.
Ironically, if we were playing by the TLA rules, Korra not using the avatar state for the wall would have been perfectly understandable: by being the first metalbending avatar, she would have no well of knowledge to borrow from. As it is, there really is no reason she shouldn't have done it.
*twitch*
So....then I am utterly lost as to what the significance of losing the connection to the past avatars was. She is not going to be able to talk to people she never spoke with anyway?
Also, whats the explanation for Korra's AS being significantly weaker then? Past avatars could move continents with their powers. She can only seemingly be able to throw larger quantities of elements.
AS as seen in TLA could have still worked the same even under the framework set by Beginnings.
This is just stupid.
Agreed. As a matter of fact, we are TOLD that the AS mainly confers knowledge and acts as self preservation.
The time we see Aang enter it willingly he simply gets a power boost. Which is entirely consistent with what Korra does.
Only if we leave out the process with which the AS is acquired in TLA. In TLA, you need to cleanse your Chakra points, which at no real point we see Wan doing. I mean, I suppose he could have done if offscreen, but we can't assume that. The other course is to assume Wan just had none of the problems of illusions that plague essentially all of humanity, which is definitely not true. No, what made the AS what it is in LoK is Harmonic Convergence shananigans, and we all know the mechanics of it are so intricate that not even the writers know wtf it does.
The only way there isn't a disconnect is if at some point before Aang's time, the mechanics of the AS were changed to require a spiritual cleansing before the AS could be controlled, and sometime afterwards were changed again so that it could work with how Korra acquired them.
Foxy Fox 39
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Guys Korra has ALWAYS been boring. Seriously. I like the series but the main character has always been a drag.
1st season I rooted for Amon. Second season I rooted for everyone but Korra. Now this season Zahir n gang look to be good fun. I don't even think Korra has a goal. She just exists.
1st season I rooted for Amon. Second season I rooted for everyone but Korra. Now this season Zahir n gang look to be good fun. I don't even think Korra has a goal. She just exists.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
I think maybe whats been retconned is that all the past lives and knowledge are available to you...Like a library, if you want it.
Maybe he meant in a way that they are separate, like when he meditated and asked them what he should do about Ozai. But being charged up with Raava is like her spirit with theirs, and making them a more powerful bender than any human can be, let a lone bend all 4 elements at once.
It makes sense to me, what I don't get is why Aang never communicates with Raava, Roku never mentions it, and why Korra STILL doesn't talk to Raava. I guess she's more like merged with their spirits than just a occupier.
It's so much build up and no pay-off. Were asking these questions to our TV screens but no one on the show is asking them for us.
Maybe he meant in a way that they are separate, like when he meditated and asked them what he should do about Ozai. But being charged up with Raava is like her spirit with theirs, and making them a more powerful bender than any human can be, let a lone bend all 4 elements at once.
It makes sense to me, what I don't get is why Aang never communicates with Raava, Roku never mentions it, and why Korra STILL doesn't talk to Raava. I guess she's more like merged with their spirits than just a occupier.
It's so much build up and no pay-off. Were asking these questions to our TV screens but no one on the show is asking them for us.
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