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[Ampersands]

While I liked the movie, I admit there were some terrible scenes like the infamous tornado suicide.

One that really stuck out to me was the one where Superman

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takes down the drone and gets PG cussed out by a military guy

. IIRC, that scene took place right after the Zod fight. Complete tonal dissonance.

 

[hiex_]

I loved it, even with some its weird scenes (tornado) and dialogue (evolutionary advantage). It looked gorgeous and Henry Cavill really nailed it as supes. Plus I liked the shot where he looked like Christopher Reeves.

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[Nizz]

The scene where clark flies for the first time was gorgeous.

Wanted to chime in and say yes, I loved this scene too. The Hans Zimmer track that plays in the background while Superman is crossing continents in a flash gets me amped everytime I watch it.

Was it a perfect movie? No. But I still enjoyed it. It was beautifully shot and the action/fight scenes were damn near perfect. As they fought, the characters had a visible weight to them. At least to me.

The script was so-so and some of the Jesus metaphors were as subtle as a hammer to the head but besides that I liked this new take on the character.

Now that they have someone else writing the movie and experience Snyder picked up with MoS I'm expecting an awesome movie in BvS. There are probably going to be some amazing looking shots in this film. Hell that bootleg video if the Comic-Con footage had atmosphere out the ass.

 

[Maddocks]

It wasn't that he didn't want to be saved, he didn't want Clark to out himself, he didn't think the world was ready to be told they are not alone in the universe and that scared him and what it would do to his son and wife. What if the government took him away and pretty much turned him into a science experiment, this is young clark, he knew he was strong, but he didn't know he could fly or really know anything about himself. He trusted his father, that's why he didn't save him.

That's how I took the whole scene.

 

[Ashhong]

My issue with the scene is two-fold.

1) Clark could've supersped over to Jon Kent and saved him. By putting the fear of God into Clark re: his powers, Jon essentially bullied/mentally abused his son to the extent where decades later he was still pretending he was normal. Which is pretty fucked up.
2) Jon Kent tells Clark not to save him, but Jon goes and saves... the dog? What sort of mixed message bullshit is that? The original death with 'heart attack' 'I can't stop death' resonates far more, because it takes the choice out of Clark's hands and forces him to understand that - as powerful as he is - he can't cheat death.

Here he learns that if someone doesn't want to be saved, let them get sucked off by a tornado.

I either am misunderstanding you, or just plain don't agree. I dont think it had anything to do with a "you can't cheat death" lesson. Pa just didn't want Clark to out himself. He raised his son his entire life to live in the shadows and be a normal person. I don't know where you get the fear of God and mental abuse stuff.

The only problems I have with it are that he did it for a dog, and that it seemed like he had just given up. I love dogs, but the scene just would have been better if it was for a trapped old lady or something.

 

[Alphahawk]

Loved the movie. I'm not, nor have I ever really been, a comic book aficionado and I honestly think that helps me enjoy the movie more. While I was watching it I wasn't looking for plot holes or wondering how this compares to Marvel, I was just having a good time.

Honestly I think it's just a vocal minority that hates it.

 

[pieatorium]

I thought it was ok but the ending was way too over the top and the Jonathon Kent character was terribly written

 

[Stiflers Mom]

Loved that movie and don't get the GAF hate for it.

Was entertained through the whole length of the movie, and all the good stuff really was so good, that the bad stuff didn't bother me at all.

4 1/2 points out of 5 for me..

 

[Manu]

Honestly I think it's just a vocal minority that hates it.

Not really.

It's just really polarizing like every Snyder movie except for Sucker Punch, nobody liked that one.

 

[Haloid1177]

One of the most disappointing comic book movies I've seen. From the shitty Jonathan Kent to the obnoxious destruction porn towards the end.

No thank you Snyder, though I have this weird amount of faith that BvS will be much better and I honestly have no clue why.

 

[Mighty Chin]

Without a doubt in my mind this movie is at the bottom end of my Superhero Movie list.

Off of the top of my head the movies I think are waaaaay worse though are Green Lantern, TDKR, FF 2, Ghost Rider 2, Origins, x3, Hulk. It's much better than those.

I've see it three times but I would watch it again for the Visuals. It is a great looking film; Snyder did as good a job as he could with such a shit script.

Zimmers music was overwrought. Blech.

 

[Alphahawk]

Not really.

It's just really polarizing like every Snyder movie except for Sucker Punch, nobody liked that one.

55% is still a decent score. It essentially means that critics were mixed, and 75% for user consensus is even better.

We're essentially seeing the 25% dominate the discussion.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

100% agree with the OP. It has plenty of flaws, but it's still a really enjoyable movie. I still don't fully understand the hate.

 

[DeathyBoy]

I either am misunderstanding you, or just plain don't agree. I dont think it had anything to do with a "you can't cheat death" lesson. Pa just didn't want Clark to out himself. He raised his son his entire life to live in the shadows and be a normal person. I don't know where you get the fear of God and mental abuse stuff.

The only problems I have with it are that he did it for a dog, and that it seemed like he had just given up. I love dogs, but the scene just would have been better if it was for a trapped old lady or something.

'Pa just didn't want Clark to out himself.'

Exactly.

He wants Clark to pretend he's normal, to act like a good boy, to never show the world what he's capable of. And bullies him into it by telling him humanity isn't ready, that they'll fear him and hurt him. Which is just terrible parenting. And this isn't like Smallville where the lesson is 'you have a gift, use it responsibily.' No, this is 'never show the world what you can do because they fear what's different.'

God, it still makes me mad.

They take a guy in the comics who loves his adopted son, and is trying to nudge him into being a good man, and turn him into an absolute jackass who'd rather die making a ridiculous point than allow his son to grow up thinking it's okay to be different.

 

[Manu]

I actually interpreted it as "not yet", not "never." He seemed to believe Clark should show the world his powers when the time came and both the world and Clark were ready.

 

[Toa TAK]

I want to watch the movie again now.

I loved it, it has a shitton of problems, but the action, score, and visuals were not among them.

The final fight with Zod & Superman is something I've always wanted to see done: Justice League/ TAS fighting brought on the big screen.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

'Pa just didn't want Clark to out himself.'

Exactly.

He wants Clark to pretend he's normal, to act like a good boy, to never show the world what he's capable of. And bullies him into it by telling him humanity isn't ready, that they'll fear him and hurt him. Which is just terrible parenting. And this isn't like Smallville where the lesson is 'you have a gift, use it responsibily.' No, this is 'never show the world what you can do because they fear what's different.'

God, it still makes me mad.

They take a guy in the comics who loves his adopted son, and is trying to nudge him into being a good man, and turn him into an absolute jackass who'd rather die making a ridiculous point than allow his son to grow up thinking it's okay to be different.

Personally, I like that take anyway since that's a completely natural reaction for a parent to have. He wants to protect his child even if it's at the cost of others. Then he walks the walk when his own life is on the line. I find it perfectly understandable that a parent would rather their child be protected and kept safe rather than put out there in harm's way. Especially when that means being looked on as an "other" by literally everyone on the planet, and more than likely being locked away and experimented on for the rest of their life.

 

[Bit-Bit]

I loved the movie. The visuals were stunning. The story could have used some tighter editing. The soundtrack got me fuckin pumped. Overall, an 8/10 movie.

Better than Dark Knight Rises, that's for sure.

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just kidding, it's about on par

 

[DeathyBoy]

I actually interpreted it as "not yet", not "never." He seemed to believe Clark should show the world his powers both when the time came and both the world and Clark were ready.

Possibly.

I just think going from 'Clark can't save Jon Kent because he can't stop natural death' to 'Clark can't save Jon Kent because Jon Kent would rather be sucked off by a tornado' is an odd shift. Especially given the bus scene disproves Jon Kent's 'they aren't ready' thing because Pete refuses to tell anyone about Clark after he's revealed himself. And neither does the bully who later becomes a priest.

The parts for a great film are there, but the script is so inept.

 

[Froli]

It's a meh movie.

 

[Rockandrollclown]

I enjoyed the movie as well. Script definitely fell way short of what I had hoped for, but it was decent superhero fare. The two fight scenes were exactly what I've wanted to see in a Superman movie for a long time. Superman fighting someone of a comparable power level is going to cause some property damage, no way around that.

 

[Raptor]

This is the best comicbook movie ever made period, full stop.

After this is another Snyder movie, Watchmen then Blade 2, etc.

Im already cumming buckets at the thought of the Watchmen DP working with him again, god damn will look glorious.

 

[Beyonce Beytwice]

This is the best comicbook movie ever made period, full stop.

Agreed. Man of Steel is objectively the best comic book movie and superhero movie.

 

[Haloid1177]

Agreed. Man of Steel is objectively the best comic book movie and superhero movie.

I'm getting fucked with, right?

Gotta be. Well by one of you anyway if Blade 2 is your third favorite.

 

[DeathyBoy]

I enjoyed the movie as well. Script definitely fell way short of what I had hoped for, but it was decent superhero fare. The two fight scenes were exactly what I've wanted to see in a Superman movie for a long time. Superman fighting someone of a comparable power level is going to cause some property damage, no way around that.

I will maintain until something can top it (not likely) that the stretch from Zod pushing Ma Kent and Clark flying in and going HOLY SHIT MAD with the hurt bombs while yelling that Zod will never touch his mother, then throwing Zod into a petrol station, is the best comic-book moment I've ever seen.

Just Jesus... so powerful.

 

[spookyfish]

I really like parts of this movie.

I think

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Jonathan Kent's death was handled so poorly

, and I *kinda* have an issue with

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the wanton destruction of the fight scenes. To be fair, though: If Donner could have done that in 1979/80 with Superman II, you can bet he would have

.

Cavill was good, though. Much better in the role than I ever thought. Love this story, by the way: http://www.zap2it.com/blogs/man_of_..._a_fat_kid_russell_crowe_and_superman-2013-05

 

[Edwardo]

I loved it. The fighting scenes were brutal and awesome.

If a good DBZ movie was ever to be made, this is where they should get the inspiration.

 

[Raptor]

I'm getting fucked with, right?

Gotta be. Well by one of you anyway if Blade 2 is your third favorite.

Im not fucking with you son, just dropping facts up in this piece!!

 

[Haloid1177]

Im not fucking with you son, just dropping facts up in this piece!!

1. Opinions, not facts.
2. Weird ones at that.

 

[BFIB]

I'm with you OP. Love the movie, really enjoyed Snyder's take (and I'm not a huge Snyder fan).

The only part I disagreed with was Jonathan's death. Its supposed to teach Supes the lesson that he can't save everyone. The tornado scene was laughably bad.

Beyond that, the movie was fantastic.

 

[OnPoint]

My issue with the scene is two-fold.

...

Here he learns that if someone doesn't want to be saved, let them get sucked off by a tornado.

... I feel like we watched different movies...

 

[Dirtyshubb]

'Pa just didn't want Clark to out himself.'

Exactly.

He wants Clark to pretend he's normal, to act like a good boy, to never show the world what he's capable of. And bullies him into it by telling him humanity isn't ready, that they'll fear him and hurt him. Which is just terrible parenting. And this isn't like Smallville where the lesson is 'you have a gift, use it responsibly.' No, this is 'never show the world what you can do because they fear what's different.'

God, it still makes me mad.

They take a guy in the comics who loves his adopted son, and is trying to nudge him into being a good man, and turn him into an absolute jackass who'd rather die making a ridiculous point than allow his son to grow up thinking it's okay to be different.

His son was a super strong, super-fast,x ray vision wielding alien (That’s all we know that they know about in the films) and you expect him to naturally think "Hmm, people won't have a problem with this, tell everyone what you can do Clark"?

Seriously, I think lots of people just can't put themselves in characters shoes. I mean they think they can but to actually be put in that situation, and to just think about it with none of the emotional attachments that these characters would have, or the fear they would have about their child, is totally different.

Pa Kent's role wasn’t to turn Clark into Superman, it was to turn him into a GOOD man, someone who is compassionate, kind, loving and that’s exactly what he did. If it wasn’t for those lessons he would never have become Superman in the first place.

Also he was right about humans, if Clark had come out at any point before he did we wouldn’t have been ready. Instead he came out when the only choice he had was to fight to protect the planet he loves from invading super beings. You think people would have been so trusting of him if we didn’t need him to save the planet? They show in the film that only once it becomes absolutely clear that they needed him was it that they actually stopped trying to shoot him and blow him up.

The tornado scene (and this film in general) gets far too much hate in my opinion. Pa Kent showed that he was willing to give up his life to protect those he cared about. You think without that motivation Clark would have got to where he was later on?

 

[Radec]

I enjoyed it.

And if DBZ would be made as live action, the creators of MoS should do it. Not those kids that made Dragon Ball.

 

[Manu]

Pa Kent's role wasn’t to turn Clark into Superman, it was to turn him into a GOOD man, someone who is compassionate, kind, loving and that’s exactly what he did. If it wasn’t for those lessons he would never have become Superman in the first place.

Also he was right about humans, if Clark had come out at any point before he did we wouldn’t have been ready. Instead he came out when the only choice he had was to fight to protect the planet he loves from invading super beings. You think people would have been so trusting of him if we didn’t need him to save the planet? They show in the film that only once it becomes absolutely clear that they needed him was it that they actually stopped trying to shoot him and blow him up.

That was my take on it too.

 

[Raptor]

1. Opinions, not facts.
2. Weird ones at that.

Not only you are pretending to lecture me but calling me weird too.

Well ok then.

 

[Haloid1177]

Also, on Pa Kent's death, it was shitty because Clark could have stopped it. The reason it was always so heartbreaking whenever he died of a heart attack was because it was something Clark couldn't stop, and it showed he didn't have the power to save everyone, even the people closest to him.

In this it made Jonathan look like a jackass.

 

[DeathyBoy]

His son was a super strong, super-fast,x ray vision wielding alien (That’s all we know that they know about in the films) and you expect him to naturally think "Hmm, people won't have a problem with this, tell everyone what you can do Clark"?

Seriously, I think lots of people just can't put themselves in characters shoes. I mean they think they can but to actually be put in that situation, and to just think about it with none of the emotional attachments that these characters would have, or the fear they would have about their child, is totally different.

Pa Kent's role wasn’t to turn Clark into Superman, it was to turn him into a GOOD man, someone who is compassionate, kind, loving and that’s exactly what he did. If it wasn’t for those lessons he would never have become Superman in the first place.

Also he was right about humans, if Clark had come out at any point before he did we wouldn’t have been ready. Instead he came out when the only choice he had was to fight to protect the planet he loves from invading super beings. You think people would have been so trusting of him if we didn’t need him to save the planet? They show in the film that only once it becomes absolutely clear that they needed him was it that they actually stopped trying to shoot him and blow him up.

The tornado scene (and this film in general) gets far too much hate in my opinion. Pa Kent showed that he was willing to give up his life to protect those he cared about. You think without that motivation Clark would have got to where he was later on?

Well given that prior to Jon Kent's speech/death...

1) Clark stood up for a bullied kid and took a 'beating.'

and:

2) Clark saved a bus full of kids from drowning.

I'd say he didn't need his Dad turning him into an emotionally damaged young man who lived a wandering life until the age of 33.

 

[TacticalFox88]

Faora so fucking badass.

Say what you will about the film but any knocks against it's action sequences is pure lunacy.

 

[TEJ]

I liked the movie, but, I wouldn't even say it's the best superman film.

superman 1 and 2 will always hold a special place in my heart

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3 and 4 can rot, though

 

[Into]

I thought it was a piece of crap, and i tend to like a lot of movies. Its basically building destruction porn.

But i was surprised how divisive the movie was for the average "internet crowd" on many sites and communities people were openly split. Which is rather unique to be this split, usually it leans heavily into one way and with a small minority of the crowd in the opposite.

 

[BFIB]

Also, on Pa Kent's death, it was shitty because Clark could have stopped it. The reason it was always so heartbreaking whenever he died of a heart attack was because it was something Clark couldn't stop, and it showed he didn't have the power to save everyone, even the people closest to him.

In this it made Jonathan look like a jackass.

Snyder was going for "is the world ready for a Superman?" So I understand his reasoning for changing some of the dynamic for Jonathan/Clark's relationship, even though I don't agree with it.

 

[Mr. Poolman]

I would have liked it if it was a DBZ movie.
But that wasn't Superman.

 

[BumRush]

I absolutely loved the movie, OP. The reason GAF 'seems' to be anti-MoS is because the people that loved the film are too busy constantly re-watching the Smallville fight to have time to respond.

 

[Schweinehund]

Yeah the jesus thing was overplayed, didn't care for the tornado death scene (I don't think I've met many people who have) and it had weird pacing.

The other stuff, the destruction and all that I can accept. I think some people have this view of Superman, its more inline with silver age & the Christopher Reeves movies where Superman pretty much never "loses" and has an answer to everything.Superman literally put on his cape like days before he fought Zod, it's expected that he will be rough around the edges. I like the character development and I think a lot of the destruction will play into BvS and how Batman reacts to it.


IIRC Snyder says the kid cape thing is part of his kryptonian heritage, like some genetic memory that makes kryptonians attracted to red.

So long as BvS doesn't have any kid flash backs and super heavy religious overtones, I'll appreciate it much more.

 

[Dirtyshubb]

Well given that prior to Jon Kent's speech/death...

1) Clark stood up for a bullied kid and took a 'beating.'

and:

2) Clark saved a bus full of kids from drowning.

I'd say he didn't need his Dad turning him into an emotionally damaged young man who lived a wandering life until the age of 33.

But that’s the point, other than his dad forcing him to keep the fact he was an alien super being secret, he was a normal father who loved his son and helped bring him up into being a truly great man. His dad was just deathly afraid of what the world would do to his son if they found out the truth, so much so he was willing to give up his life to save his son and to allow him a normal life.

You add this, plus Clarks good nature (which is from his nurturing from the Kent's) and that’s what makes Superman, why he has a secret identity and why he wants to help save the world.

 

[thehypocrite]

Watching this movie in the cinemas was such a joy. I had this smile on my face. Even my GF noticed how I liked the film. This isn't a perfect movie but I like it even with it's faults. That Superman first flight scene.





Fuck the haters with their inane criticism.

 

[Dryk]

I think some people have this view of Superman, its more inline with silver age & the Christopher Reeves movies where Superman pretty much never "loses" and has an answer to everything.

Almost like... an ideal... that us lowly humans can aspire too...

 

[DeathyBoy]

But that’s the point, other than his dad forcing him to keep the fact he was an alien super being secret, he was a normal father who loved his son and helped bring him up into being a truly great man. His dad was just deathly afraid of what the world would do to his son if they found out the truth, so much so he was willing to give up his life to save his son and to allow him a normal life.

You add this, plus Clarks good nature (which is from his nurturing from the Kent's) and that’s what makes Superman, why he has a secret identity and why he wants to help save the world.

But again, the film proves Jon Kent wrong. Consistently wrong.

I get the intent. I do. It was just badly handled IMO. Which is sad because I don't hate the film, except for those flashbacks. The destruction doesn't bother me, the death of Zod doesn't bother me, what bothers me is turning Jon Kent from a warm father into a 'gee, Clark, don't save me when I'm about to die because people might see... but I'm going to go save this dog GOD-DAMMIT.'

 

[thehypocrite]

I liked the movie, but, I wouldn't even say it's the best superman film.

superman 1 and 2 will always hold a special place in my heart

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3 and 4 can rot, though

MOS is the best Superman movie ever. Before watching it in the theaters I re-watched all prior Superman films, none of them are particularly good and don't compare favorably to MOS.

 

[BadAss2961]

Not really.

It's just really polarizing like every Snyder movie except for Sucker Punch, nobody liked that one.

SP has its fans, myself included. You'll find it in just about every 'movies I liked that no one else did' thread.

'Pa just didn't want Clark to out himself.'

Exactly.

He wants Clark to pretend he's normal, to act like a good boy, to never show the world what he's capable of. And bullies him into it by telling him humanity isn't ready, that they'll fear him and hurt him. Which is just terrible parenting. And this isn't like Smallville where the lesson is 'you have a gift, use it responsibily.' No, this is 'never show the world what you can do because they fear what's different.'

God, it still makes me mad.

They take a guy in the comics who loves his adopted son, and is trying to nudge him into being a good man, and turn him into an absolute jackass who'd rather die making a ridiculous point than allow his son to grow up thinking it's okay to be different.

You're missing the point of why Pa Kent wanted Clark to hide his secret though. It wasn't just that the world wasn't ready, it's that Clark wasn't either. He was a boy. If the world knew of his powers, who knows what would've become of him. People would've went nuts over him, and who knows how the government would've reacted -- probably turn him into Dr. Manhattan.

"Never" showing his power wasn't the idea, it was keeping it hidden until Clark was ready, which turned out to be finding out who he was and where he came from. Jonathan always told Clark that he'd change the world someday, good or bad. His upbringing allowed him to become Superman instead of possibly something else. The kid that shunned his father before the tornado scene wasn't quite ready yet to be Superman.