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This week's Man Of Steel LTTP (spoilers)
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That's like, factually incorrect.
Really bizarre non-sequitur then.
TUROK
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A zoomed-in bootleg copy? Of course you can't see shit.
I thought it provided background for my history with supes and my love for the character.
do the quick cuts only take place in a central portion of the screen?
You'd have an easier time arguing that the cuts were implemented well and the action wasn't hurt by it
TUROK
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Mr. Poolman
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TUROK
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When did I say I wasn't able to follow or understand it?
Mr. Poolman
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Then which is your problem with quick cuts? if a scene is easily digested by the viewer what gives the means in which is presented?
Winter Soldier has excellent fight choreography and set scenes, far superior than MoS.
TUROK
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They make action sequences look much less impressive. They're there to hide a lack of extensive choreography and use of stunt actors.
There's moments in there where the camera lingers on for more than a single punch, and those look damn impressive, but they're far and few in between.
Moments like that, where you see action beats done in one take, they can be pretty awe-inspiring.
Is it that hard to comprehend that the cuts aren't hindersome when the view is wider?
Anyway, Bourne movies still have more cuts, and more shaky cam.
Mighty Chin
Banned
And a CGI slugfest doesn't hide anything?
Thanks, I'll take the actors(stuntmen) actually in a scene than the alternative.
It was still worlds beyond the Bourne shake-fests. Come on now.
Winter Soldier wasn't Matrix/Raid level choreography but still better than 99% of other action movies.
I'd take it over MoS, but that may be personal preference more than anything else.
BadAss2961
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lol at the unnecessary knife flip. I'm sure you can sell Winter Soldier better than that.
Liquidsnake
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One of the great masterpieces of its time. One that my children, and their children will one day enjoy.
The greatest questions of our life and existence are asked, and sometimes answered in this film. Perhaps the director wanted us to answer these questions on our own. As I have said before, it made me think if I am doing enough in my life to be considered a good man, a good son, a good representation of a human.
I harkened back to my days in philosophy class back in 1995. What does it all mean, where does it all go, how does it all end. The answer starts with all of us.
The greatest questions of our life and existence are asked, and sometimes answered in this film. Perhaps the director wanted us to answer these questions on our own. As I have said before, it made me think if I am doing enough in my life to be considered a good man, a good son, a good representation of a human.
I harkened back to my days in philosophy class back in 1995. What does it all mean, where does it all go, how does it all end. The answer starts with all of us.
This. But the internet does its dogmatic, totally binary choices, doesn't it?
This as well.
Mengy
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That may be your opinion, but I STRONGLY disagree. CA:TWS had the best fight scenes of any superhero movie, EVER, IMHO. Claiming that MoS had better fight choreography makes me frown for your tastes.
This might be the most baseless nitpick I've ever seen. It's a split second flourish.
BadAss2961
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Beerman462
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Didn't like MoS, hoping Superman vs Batman is better.
Mighty Chin
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Oops I think you've revealed too much.
...you can't be serious.
BadAss2961
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Sibersk Esto
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well, now you know what we were talking about
Liquidsnake
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Dead
Mighty Chin
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Not seeing something but mocking it.
BadAss2961
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Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Well then you really have no concept of why we are saying that the fights in CA:TWS put MoS to shame. In the context of the films, CA is miles above MoS in every way. Choreography, emotional impact, tension, every way.
MoS needed more of what CA:TWS had in it.
BadAss2961
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You don't gush over something with only that gif to back it.
Next time I will make sure to attach a 720p stream with timestamps. My bad.
EatinOlives
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This. The two movies have two completely different kinds of actions that IMO, are both great for different reasons. No need to do yet another Marvel-movie vs. Non-Marvel-hero-movie dick measuring contest.
Anton Sugar
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I have my own issues with MoS's action scenes, but agree, they are very different from MoS
The bolded is an assumption, though. There are three components to most action scenes:
Generally, I really don't like "shaky" cam because it can be a crutch and has been all the rage lately (although it's not a new phenomena)...but I found myself loving TWS's action. TWS happens to have many different types of action scenes. Some are shot shaky, some less so; some are wide, some tight; etc.
There is a very small detail that made me think that TWS knew what it was doing. In the scene after Fury is shot, Cap is chasing the shooter. As he's making his way up to the rooftop, he is running through a hall and leaps to a desk and bounds off of it with the kick of his leg, out of frame. The camera doesn't just shakily follow him--the camera operator actually kind of follows the leg/foot that bounds off the desk.
It is a small detail but added clarity and energy to how Cap was moving. It's "frenetic" done right. The editing complements the camera which complements the choreography which complements the store/scene/mood.
All IMO, of course.
because they're better...mostly because TWS, as a movie, is better and the action does more to drive the rest of the story/characters forward.
The bolded is an assumption, though. There are three components to most action scenes:
- The choreography/performance
- The way it was shot
- The way it was edited
Generally, I really don't like "shaky" cam because it can be a crutch and has been all the rage lately (although it's not a new phenomena)...but I found myself loving TWS's action. TWS happens to have many different types of action scenes. Some are shot shaky, some less so; some are wide, some tight; etc.
There is a very small detail that made me think that TWS knew what it was doing. In the scene after Fury is shot, Cap is chasing the shooter. As he's making his way up to the rooftop, he is running through a hall and leaps to a desk and bounds off of it with the kick of his leg, out of frame. The camera doesn't just shakily follow him--the camera operator actually kind of follows the leg/foot that bounds off the desk.
It is a small detail but added clarity and energy to how Cap was moving. It's "frenetic" done right. The editing complements the camera which complements the choreography which complements the store/scene/mood.
All IMO, of course.
BadAss2961
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It's quite possible now with WebM.
Mighty Chin
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Fine, I would say Hulk vs Abomination was a better realized fight, without toppling skyscrapers.
Bobby Roberts
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the fuck outta here.
Now you're just trolling
How about you watch the movie first and then report back?
Sibersk Esto
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oof, can't say I agree there.
How is that even possible?
Stopmotionkai
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I thought it was a decent film 7/10 could have used a rewrite to fix up some of the dialogue and also a little but more humor to lighten up the movie a bit.
I notice it (the same way everyone is a Jesus metaphor), but I never got why it was a problem for so many people.
I mean Superman has always represented more, whether its immigrants or Moses or Jesus or hope or mankind or this and that
BadAss2961
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Outside the Jesus pose, I doubt most noticed it.
Mighty Chin
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Who gives a fuck if you watched Raid 2! That's a martial arts movie. Another genre entirely. Talk about being in the realm of ridiculous fighting.
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